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Shinjobi posted:All pitchers (except the one I like) suck rear end and ruin the sport As a twins fan, even the one I like sucks rear end
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Okay fine I should have clarified - doubles and home runs were higher in 2019. Triples are such an anomaly it's impossible to properly compare them historically. Evan Gattis had 12 triples in his career. He had 11 of them in 2015 alone.
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Kirios posted:Okay fine I should have clarified - doubles and home runs were higher in 2019. Triples are such an anomaly it's impossible to properly compare them historically. I think you can look at the numbers and say that there is definitely a percentage of triples that used to be hit that got converted to dingers from the steroid era moving forward, but past that yeah, kind of an outlier outcome anyway.
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May 20, 2021 17:58
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Shrink the zone, do something with the ball to deaden sPiN rAtE so not every pitcher can throw video game sliders constantly. You’re not turning the clock back on analytics and sports science.
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May 20, 2021 18:25
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waterboard Tyler Bauer to learn his secrets and then enforce the existing ban on them all
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May 20, 2021 18:26
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The injury wheel keeps spinning. Logan Webb (shoulder strain) and Wilmer Flores (hamstring) to the IL; RP Jose Alvarez activated from the IL. Giants will have to call up a SP for the Dodgers series. Not sure who it'll be.
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The Pussy Boss posted:The injury wheel keeps spinning. Logan Webb (shoulder strain) and Wilmer Flores (hamstring) to the IL; RP Jose Alvarez activated from the IL. Sucks to hear that about Webb, he was just starting to come together.
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May 20, 2021 18:31
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Poque posted:waterboard Tyler Bauer to learn his secrets and then enforce the existing ban on them all
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Poque posted:waterboard Trevor Bauer
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May 20, 2021 18:33
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Meanwhile in #ThatsCub: https://twitter.com/MLBastian/status/1395429158268854274?s=20 
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MLB N/V May: Everyone Is Now On The DL
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May 20, 2021 18:39
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Technically nobody is on the DL
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May 20, 2021 18:53
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Ambassador of Funk posted:You have to change pitchers before you can good back to good old days of hitting Ted Williams hitting.
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May 20, 2021 19:02
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Luigi Thirty posted:Meanwhile in #ThatsCub: It is a competitive advantage not to sign a bunch of morons.
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May 20, 2021 19:04
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Kirios posted:This whiplash towards pitchers now being too dominant is really bizarre to me. It feels like in 2019 we were complaining about hitters having too much of an advantage and hitting XBH / HR being way too easy. Now the ball isn't as juiced and we see how imbalanced things really have gotten. The problem is that juicing the ball isn't a sufficient solution to the pitching dominance, because it just leads to TTO baseball that's aesthetically undesirable.
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Luigi Thirty posted:Meanwhile in #ThatsCub: 
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May 20, 2021 19:06
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bawfuls posted:this is funny because Ted Williams approach was to hit the crap out of the ball Truly he was ahead of his time.
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May 20, 2021 19:09
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May 20, 2021 19:12
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bawfuls posted:this is funny because Ted Williams approach was to hit the crap out of the ball Yeah, the Ted Williams approach was to swing for a higher launch angle and try to create fly balls. The problem is he was a terrible hitting coach because he tried teaching everyone that approach, and it just didn't work for some of them. I've read that the Army tested the reflexes of everyone who enlisted in World War II, and Williams was the fastest. I don't have a way to verify that, but it checks out with his dominance.
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didn't Ted Williams try to teach hitters how to recognize pitches by identifying which way the laces were spinning when most guys couldn't even see the laces or is that an urban legend
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May 20, 2021 19:17
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You started hearing about "launch angle" and "exit velocity" in 2017 because that's when the Statcast data became public ally available. But "elevate the ball to hit line drives, which are much more likely to go for base hits, and hit the ball hard" has been the common sense approach since at least Ted Williams. The "all or nothing" approach is much more related to pitchers getting better: higher velo on FB, higher spin on everything, more movement/break on everything, better tunneling so it's impossible to tell if it's the 97MPH 4SFB down Broadway or the wiffle ball slider at 91 that's gonna end up in the opposite batter's box. It's not "they keep swinging for homers on every pitch", it's just impossible to loving hit anything these days. Also managers got smarter about usage, so 3rd/4th time through the order is much rarer, and your 3rd/4th/5th PAs are likely to be against 3 different rested guys you haven't seen anywhere near as much who can throw 100 for 15 pitches.
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May 20, 2021 19:18
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Chamale posted:Yeah, the Ted Williams approach was to swing for a higher launch angle and try to create fly balls. The problem is he was a terrible hitting coach because he tried teaching everyone that approach, and it just didn't work for some of them. So you’re saying he’d be all about what hitters are doing right now, kind of flying in the face of MrMojok’s arguments?
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I don't care much about the "aesthetically pleasing" things "missing" from baseball. I want my team to win, and if smashing a bunch of dingers and walking a lot is the way to do it then do it. I'd argue that the real problem is people have this BACK IN MY DAY view on the game and because it's changed they say no baseball is broken, not the game has changed and I should adapt. It's like the football weirdos who idolize football from the 70s when they ran into the centers rear end 40 times a game for 3 YPC. As a fan of a team who trotted out the corpse of Cam Newton last year and tried to do that because he sucks and can't throw anymore, that poo poo doesn't work in the NFL anymore and it was really obvious. People bring up Ted Williams, he wasn't facing the caliber of pitchers that exist now. It's like when Adam Ottavino said he'd strike out Babe Ruth, Ruth would have poo poo his pants seeing a slider like that. Hitting has always been hard because even the best guys fail 7 of 10 times, but now it's even harder because the average pitcher isn't a junk baller anymore. For every guy like Randy Johnson or Roger Clemens that was around when Tony Gwynn played, there were a bunch of stiffs who wouldn't even be on a roster today
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Double posting here, but remember when smart teams first figured out walks and OBP were really good. Well you had a bunch of old fogies like Joe Morgan (who ironically walked a ton and had a high OBP himself) who were like this is stupid, back in my day we swung the bat, you don't go up there trying to walk, you go up to HIT It's the same poo poo now, except back in my day we didn't strike out we popped singles over the defenders head (off a guy throwing 89 who went back to the dugout and smoked cigarettes between innings)
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Nodoze posted:For every guy like Randy Johnson or Roger Clemens that was around when Tony Gwynn played, there were a bunch of stiffs who wouldn't even be on a roster today There's also an insane idea that a bunch of Tony Gwynns are out there but they're being forced to become Giancarlo Stantons or something. The reason nobody is putting up Tony Gwynn numbers in 2021 is because it's incredibly loving hard to hit like he did in any era. "More players should be no-doubt Hall of Famers" isn't the radically heterodox stance that owns the FO nerds that people think it is. Inspector_666 fucked around with this message at 19:39 on May 20, 2021 |
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Nodoze posted:I don't care much about the "aesthetically pleasing" things "missing" from baseball. I want my team to win, and if smashing a bunch of dingers and walking a lot is the way to do it then do it. We need to start naming all these new pitch variations like it's 1910. Just a bunch of dudes throwing 95 mph loopy-divers and upsie-daisy-riseballs and poo poo.
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Chief McHeath posted:We need to start naming all these new pitch variations like it's 1910. Just a bunch of dudes throwing 95 mph loopy-divers and upsie-daisy-riseballs and poo poo. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r7IBPSJDT5o
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I don't think anyone has mentioned shifting yet either, which is the cherry on top of the poo poo sundae for hitters. Even when you do make contact and hit something that would have been a hit 20 years ago it's not now because a defender is standing right loving there.
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May 20, 2021 19:58
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Blaming the shift instead of the new nerfed no-hitter ball is just what Manfred wants you to do!!!!
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Baseball is entertainment. People who go to baseball games could choose to spend their money on bowling alleys or basketball or staying home and ordering a pizza. I think it's fair to look at the way strategy has evolved and ask whether it's more or less fun to watch. This has happened before, like the rules changes to increase offense in 1911 and 1969.
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This is the most AROD product of all time. https://twitter.com/AROD/status/1395454774321975296
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Chamale posted:Baseball is entertainment. People who go to baseball games could choose to spend their money on bowling alleys I'm actually very into bowling so this made me laugh (it's very much dying). I actually wouldn't mind banning the shift 
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mcmagic posted:This is the most AROD product of all time. has alex rod ever looked comfortable or natural in a photograph
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Is he trying to smile or is he just staring directly into the Sun?
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Thom P. Tiers posted:I'm actually very into bowling so this made me laugh (it's very much dying). Have they tried juicing the ball?
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Nodoze posted:I don't care much about the "aesthetically pleasing" things "missing" from baseball. I want my team to win, and if smashing a bunch of dingers and walking a lot is the way to do it then do it.  "Back in the day" even when outs were roughly as common as in recent years, the nature of those outs was different; many more of them were outs on balls in play, rather than strikeouts. Fielding outs are aesthetically preferable for the game overall because it means more action and more defensive display. bawfuls fucked around with this message at 20:41 on May 20, 2021 |
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Thom P. Tiers posted:I'm actually very into bowling so this made me laugh (it's very much dying). I want a player after crushing a huge dinger to scream "WHO DO YOU THINK YOU ARE I AM!" at the pitcher now.
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bawfuls posted:Large strides and arm extension are advantageous regardless of the mound distances (and arguably are MORE advantageous the closer the mound is, because the same distance of improvement is a larger proportion of the total distance to the plate). We should presume that pitchers and teams are already training for this and moving the mound back wouldn't change it much. It shouldn't stop the league from considering moving the mound back. I think this is true. I'm pretty sure I read that the average distance from release point to plate has indeed shrunk. So one of the arguments for moving the mound back is that it has already effectively moved.
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mcmagic posted:This is the most AROD product of all time. honestly this will probably sell since most guys are too afraid/unable to just use makeup which I assume is what that is but with a "manly" name
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IcePhoenix posted:honestly this will probably sell since most guys are too afraid/unable to just use makeup The dollop, ever relevant to this thread because Dave's fascination with baseball history just did an episode about deodorant. And that was a large part of the back half. How do we sell this product to men since they think it is too womanly?
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