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Yeah, the issue is not that home runs aren’t aesthetically pleasing, the issue is a lack of balls in play is boring.
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Thom P. Tiers posted:I'm actually very into bowling so this made me laugh (it's very much dying). We need to bring back the bowling thread as stuff reopens. I'm back in league in less than a week  Also wouldn't mind banning the shift but I don't think it's the problem.
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alpha_destroy posted:The dollop, ever relevant to this thread because Dave's fascination with baseball history just did an episode about deodorant. And that was a large part of the back half. How do we sell this product to men since they think it is too womanly? I worked in a Low-A clubhouse, and believe it or not, a bunch of the guys swore that Secret women's deodorant worked better than any men's deodorant.
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May 20, 2021 20:57
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Keep the shift but apply the three batter minimum.
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Tweezer Reprise posted:Yeah, the issue is not that home runs aren’t aesthetically pleasing, the issue is a lack of balls in play is boring.  (note that I cut the Y-axis at 50% to illustrate the change more) IMO the league should target a BIP rate of 75% and consider anything between 70-80% acceptable. Alternatively they could target a K% around 15% bawfuls fucked around with this message at 21:43 on May 20, 2021 |
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https://twitter.com/JamesSmyth621/status/1395469600956030978 Gio rules and is my favorite.
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Chief McHeath posted:I worked in a Low-A clubhouse, and believe it or not, a bunch of the guys swore that Secret women's deodorant worked better than any men's deodorant. I wouldn't be surprised if that's true. I take women's multivitamins because I've noticed that for this brand, the women's vitamins just have more of everything for the same price.
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How prevalent is shift in college and MiLB? It feels like hitters are starting to adjust to the shift, maybe they're so far behind because they never had to before?
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If the shift were the issue, we'd see it show up in BAPIP. But current BAPIP is somewhat high by historical standards (though it is down to .285 so far this season).
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Aren't home runs up? Could BABIP be up because the amount of home runs per batted ball is up? I'm struggling to find these stats though.
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All these stats can be found on Fangraphs leaderboards, which allow you to sort by League-wide stats. Home runs are neither in the numerator nor denominator of BABIP.
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Bird in a Blender posted:Aren't home runs up? Could BABIP be up because the amount of home runs per batted ball is up? I'm struggling to find these stats though. HRs don't count as "balls in play" at least for BABIP purposes
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more falafel please posted:HRs don't count as "balls in play" at least for BABIP purposes Ah, I didn't know that.
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theoretically if HR/FB is increasing, that would mean fewer balls in play for the denominator of BABIP, right?
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Yes but HR are still a very small portion of PA outcomes, too small for HR/FB changes to be noticeable in BABIP. The all-time peak for HR/PA was 3.64% in 2019. To put it another way, from 2010-2019 HR/FB% increased from 9.4% to 15.3% and BABIP went from .297 to .298 (was as low as .295 and high as .300 in the intervening years) edit: When you plot all the TTO components along with BIP (i.e. 1-TTO) it is very obvious that strikeouts are the primary culprit for reduced balls in play 
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Ambassador of Funk posted:So you’re saying he’d be all about what hitters are doing right now, kind of flying in the face of MrMojok’s arguments? Yeah, it is pretty much the same. I got his book out last night and there's a graphic in there that shows how he used a slight upswing, as opposed to the level swing that a lot of coaches taught at the time, to increase the amount of time that the swing path matched the path of the ball.
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MrMojok posted:Yeah, it is pretty much the same. I got his book out last night and there's a graphic in there that shows how he used a slight upswing, as opposed to the level swing that a lot of coaches taught at the time, to increase the amount of time that the swing path matched the path of the ball. Ted Williams, the original launch angle advocate. Good to know.
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Kirios posted:Okay fine I should have clarified - doubles and home runs were higher in 2019. Triples are such an anomaly it's impossible to properly compare them historically. Triples are the best play in baseball.
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May 20, 2021 22:10
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Make a squeeze play worth 2 runs.
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elentar posted:Triples are the best play in baseball. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MC9yrqxB1KQ
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I knew Freddie was probably just fine but these numbers make me doubt even the idea that off-season stuff with his family or the lack of a new contract are impacting him on the field, sounds like he's just getting robbed https://twitter.com/mlbbowman/status/1395489445672009730
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bawfuls posted:The game has objectively changed as a result of improvements in technology and training, and it's ok for the community in and around it to have asethetic preferences on how the game is played. We should tweak rules to maintain those preferences when appropriate, as has been done for over 120 years now Of course the TTO % is higher now than it used to be. Pitchers 30 years ago weren't actively trying to strike everyone out, because pitching to contact wasn't really discouraged and also they were expected to go more than 5 innings a start.
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So I know that plate discipline is a thing for scouting purposes, but is there a quantifiable stat for it? Is there a swing on balls outside the zone/no swing on strikes inside the zone times no-swing on balls/swing on strikes number or some such? I dunno. I know there's something like Whiff Rate with pitchers, but is there something similar for batters? If we're taking suggestions, I think making the zone smaller (vertically? again?) would help to some degree, but with umpires being umps I have a hard time believing that will help MUCH, and I just aesthetically don't like the idea of moving the mound back even if it makes it physically impossible to identify a pitch (which obviously has a lot to do with my first paragraph there.) This post brought to you by Watching The Twins Strike Out A Million Times.
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rickiep00h posted:So I know that plate discipline is a thing for scouting purposes, but is there a quantifiable stat for it? Is there a swing on balls outside the zone/no swing on strikes inside the zone times no-swing on balls/swing on strikes number or some such? I dunno. I know there's something like Whiff Rate with pitchers, but is there something similar for batters? Usually Chase Rate (which like it sounds like, is the rate at which a hitter swings at pitches outside the zone) is what people look at for plate eye. Although the more nuanced version that gets looked at is O-Swing% (swing at pitches out of the zone) and Z-Swing% (swings inside the zone). If you want the full breakdown, Fangraphs have got you. https://library.fangraphs.com/offense/plate-discipline/
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Ambassador of Funk posted:Usually Chase Rate (which like it sounds like, is the rate at which a hitter swings at pitches outside the zone) is what people look at for plate eye. Although the more nuanced version that gets looked at is O-Swing% (swing at pitches out of the zone) and Z-Swing% (swings inside the zone). Rad, thanks!
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Nodoze posted:Of course the TTO % is higher now than it used to be. Pitchers 30 years ago weren't actively trying to strike everyone out, because pitching to contact wasn't really discouraged and also they were expected to go more than 5 innings a start.
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rickiep00h posted:Rad, thanks! Happy to help, especially after showing a little of ignorance on Old Ted. But if the question is ever "has baseball made something numerically quantifiable?" the answer is almost always yes, and if it's no, you can drat well bet someone is trying their hardest to make it happen.
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Seattle Mariners, 05/16 - 05/20: 14 hits San Francisco Giants, 05/21: 16 hits
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rickiep00h posted:Rad, thanks! I should have just linked this to you. https://library.fangraphs.com/offense/plate-discipline/ Looks like the Twins are in almost the exact middle when it comes to swinging outside.
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Spoeank posted:Seattle Mariners, 05/16 - 05/20: 14 hits
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Baseball makes changes at a glacial pace; what if deadening the baseball was a long term idea by Theo to force teams to evaluate and develop hitters differently; and make the offensive changes needed to get more balls in play? So we really start seeing it like two years from now Yeah I know long term thinking goes against literally everything baseball has ever done. will_colorado fucked around with this message at 00:32 on May 21, 2021 |
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will_colorado posted:Baseball makes changes at a glacial pace; what if deadening the baseball was a long term idea by Theo to force teams to evaluate and develop hitters differently; and make the offensive changes needed to get more balls in play? So we really start seeing it like two years from now You have to make it harder for pitchers to get strikeouts, period.
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will_colorado posted:Baseball makes changes at a glacial pace; what if deadening the baseball was a long term idea by Theo to force teams to evaluate and develop hitters differently; and make the offensive changes needed to get more balls in play? So we really start seeing it like two years from now bawfuls posted:If that's the case then Theo and the league are morons (possible), because changing hitter approaches at the plate is not a good way to cut down significantly on strikeouts. Yeah, actually doing something about ball greasing is where I would start if I wanted that outcome.
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yeah if you want to go with ball-related changes: make the ball tacky so pitchers don't need goop to grip it (they do this in NPB already), but lower the seams as much as you can so that pitches don't break as much for a given spin rate then be absolutely ruthless about enforcing the rule against foreign substances or just the last part, but if you make the ball tacky you also reduce the incentive for pitchers to use foreign substances
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Make the ball both larger and heavier, thus reducing pitch and exit velo while making it easier to hit E: also change the mass distribution inside the ball to lower overall spin rates. UZR IS BULLSHIT fucked around with this message at 01:09 on May 21, 2021 |
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I'm guessing it would be pretty tough to change the ball's mass distribution while maintaining similar CoR, especially if you intend to move mass from the center towards the surface to increase rotational inertia and thus reduce RPM for a given imparted torque. Moving mass towards the surface will tend to make the outer part of the ball more dense, which is likely to increase CoR thus increasing exit velo
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bawfuls posted:what else can you tell us about tomorrow's game results? I could use a 10-way parlay payout son of a bitch whoops, offset those all by 1 day 19 runs again 
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Nodoze posted:What is everyones sudden obsession with how long games or media are now? In the last couple years so many people have started complaining (x) game time is too long, movies are too long now, oh my god a hockey game went into double overtime in the playoffs UNACCEPTABLE no sir you're not going to convince anyone that people complain about overtime playoff hockey
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Intruder posted:no sir you're not going to convince anyone that people complain about overtime playoff hockey only if its a shootout
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