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I think killing medics is considered bad form but isn't some kind of Hydaelyn war crime In fact I wonder how "war crime" is even defined. In real life we have an actual international tribunal that decides those things, but not so much in FFXIV. I don't think the Eorzean Alliance and the Othard Alliance have hashed out a list of what is and isn't cool to do.
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I feel like someone made a joke upthread about "do you really want a patch storyline that's bureaucratic readouts of the Eorzean Nuremberg trials" and my answer continues to be unironically yes
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May 28, 2021 20:36
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There's irredeemable people like Sicinius (who's still at large oooh I can't wait to get that fucker for what he did to Dabog) but I can't help but like the ones like Daguza and Papaga. I hope now that the legion has crumbled in Bozja they can make a clean break.
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May 28, 2021 20:37
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Jetrauben posted:That's totally fair. I think Bozja relies a lot on the field records, which is a nice touch - I actually really like the mechanic and want them to expand it to the main questline, I'd love a written set of character histories you collect through the MSQ and class quests - but it does mean that a fair chunk of the storyline ends up kind of a take-our-word-for-it. The blades are more warrior elites so a lot more of them come from either respected knighthood/bodyguard backgrounds or they're ex-imperial conscripts who broke free.
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May 28, 2021 20:37
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Blockhouse posted:I think killing medics is considered bad form but isn't some kind of Hydaelyn war crime Yeah I don't think Hydaelyn actually has war crimes as such, and their war crimes would probably look a lot different than ours. I just use it in an out-of-text sense of "Bozja is portrayed as something of a moral quagmire." Primal summoning would probably be like #1 on the list, for both valid ethical reasons and cynical for-the-benefit-of-great-powers reasons. Even in the rare cases it's used well - ironically, Ysayle is probably one of the great test cases of a "justified summoning," as are most of the prior summonings of Gunnhildr - it's just got huge potential for abuse.
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May 28, 2021 20:37
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CharlieFoxtrot posted:I feel like someone made a joke upthread about "do you really want a patch storyline that's bureaucratic readouts of the Eorzean Nuremberg trials" and my answer continues to be unironically yes Hell yeah
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May 28, 2021 20:37
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Regy Rusty posted:There's irredeemable people like Sicinius (who's still at large oooh I can't wait to get that fucker for what he did to Dabog) but I can't help but like the ones like Daguza and Papaga. I hope now that the legion has crumbled in Bozja they can make a clean break. The finale says that they're reintegrating any captured imperial troops into the society instead of holding them prisoner or trying them for treason. Presumably anybody who didn't die explicitly in a fate or boss has a chance to show up again later in a more pacific era.
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May 28, 2021 20:38
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Sharkopath posted:The finale says that they're reintegrating any captured imperial troops into the society instead of holding them prisoner or trying them for treason. Presumably anybody who didn't die explicitly in a fate or boss has a chance to show up again later in a more pacific era. Good! Let them live with their animal friends.
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May 28, 2021 20:39
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Someone should take Pagaga to Ala Mhigo to meet her father’s family
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May 28, 2021 20:44
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Notes are pretty explicit on a couple of statuses (post-Bozja):Lyon quo Helsos posted:"Formerly a beastmaster of the IVth Imperial Legion, Lyon was blamed for the IVth Legion's defeat at Zadnor upon his return to Dalmasca, his punishment being a demotion to centurion and a lengthy spell in gaol. Then, half a year later, the unimaginable occurred─the assassination of Legatus Gabranth at the hands of Lyon.
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May 28, 2021 20:45
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Sharkopath posted:Instead of simply villains the Bozjan legion are people who have directly benefited from an egalitarian reform of their society that gave them advantage and opportunity they never would have gotten in the much more stratified and aristocratic social structure the empire replaced, and because of it are fiercely loyal to the new regime and as they continually lose ground are getting more and more desperate to stop what in their eyes are a blueblooded nobility intent on overthrowing it all and replacing it with the old way. Very Matsuno, very Final Fantasy Tactics Ogre Battle
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May 28, 2021 20:46
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thetoughestbean posted:Someone should take Pagaga to Ala Mhigo to meet her father’s family field notes indicate she’s living on the run with Lyon currently
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May 28, 2021 20:49
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Hogama posted:Notes are pretty explicit on a couple of statuses (post-Bozja): You can also talk to Meryall after the raid, she shows up in camp and tells you about the events of her fate chain in case you didn't see them.
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May 28, 2021 20:50
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Hmm I thought before that the stuff in Gabranth's field notes was a smokescreen but now that I've seen Lyon's I wonder. It does seem like they've wrapped up a lot more than I thought offscreen. Even Sicinius! Wtf!
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May 28, 2021 20:54
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Regy Rusty posted:Hmm I thought before that the stuff in Gabranth's field notes was a smokescreen but now that I've seen Lyon's I wonder. It does seem like they've wrapped up a lot more than I thought offscreen. Even Sicinius! Wtf!
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May 28, 2021 20:56
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Hogama posted:I still think it's likely set-up for a further continuation into 6.0 and/or beyond. The notes are explicitly not from the IVth Legion's perspective, so they could all be set-up for whatever the Plan in the stinger is about. Yeah I hope so. That note just seemed a bit more explicit than the other one.
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May 28, 2021 20:57
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I have a feeling that most of the stuff in lyon and noah’s field notes is gonna get reiterated and covered again as the intro to whatever the next thing they do with Matsuno is, since they’re very clearly planning to do more what with the whole allagan weapon teaser. In particular: I believe that either Noah -is- dead but he ordered Lyon to kill him rather than succumb to whatever disease he had, or he faked his death with Lyon’s help. Either way, the idea that Lyon went rogue is not in keeping with his behavior at all, so there’s definitely some shenanigans about.
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May 28, 2021 20:58
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Jetrauben posted:The FATE does explicitly state "the targeting of chirugeons is normally frowned upon," and basically says it's just because they're too good at their jobs. Have they ever gone into out of combat medical care and in combat healing because the last time I remember something explicit it was when Ishgardians were being amazed that their wounds were disappearing in an AST job quest.
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May 28, 2021 21:00
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hobbesmaster posted:Have they ever gone into out of combat medical care and in combat healing because the last time I remember something explicit it was when Ishgardians were being amazed that their wounds were disappearing in an AST job quest. Ishgardians are also incredibly stupid and stuck in their ways. They try to prosecute a guy for heresy for growing the wrong type of Gysahl Greens
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May 28, 2021 21:01
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Sharkopath posted:Instead of simply villains the Bozjan legion are people who have directly benefited from an egalitarian reform of their society that gave them advantage and opportunity they never would have gotten in the much more stratified and aristocratic social structure the empire replaced, and because of it are fiercely loyal to the new regime and as they continually lose ground are getting more and more desperate to stop what in their eyes are a blueblooded nobility intent on overthrowing it all and replacing it with the old way. AKA Ivalice as balls.
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May 28, 2021 21:02
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It's kinda weird because Ishgard has always had chirurgeons, that are functionally conjurers using Cure spells.
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May 28, 2021 21:03
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Sharkopath posted:One day they'll stop trying to control the horrible allagan monstrosities made with the souls of demons, but not today. "Let's dig up this monster that will go out of control!" "Better idea, let's dig up its gun, and drop some big rocks on the rest just to make sure."
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May 28, 2021 21:07
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hobbesmaster posted:Have they ever gone into out of combat medical care and in combat healing because the last time I remember something explicit it was when Ishgardians were being amazed that their wounds were disappearing in an AST job quest. The game in general is extremely inconsistent about the actual practical efficacy of healing magic, especially about how effective it is at healing life threatening trauma. In general it seems to hover around the idea that healing magic as practiced by the WoL is more like extremely efficient first aid.
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May 28, 2021 21:08
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hobbesmaster posted:Have they ever gone into out of combat medical care and in combat healing because the last time I remember something explicit it was when Ishgardians were being amazed that their wounds were disappearing in an AST job quest. There is also Real Healer Magic which seems much rarer and can evidently actually glue your injuries together on the fly. Krile, Alph and presumably Urianger have this; so do you if you have a healer job crystal.
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May 28, 2021 21:09
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My guess is that Lyon and Ashleia (and Fran and possibly Gabranth??) will show up in the next part of the Ivalice story (and i very much hope there's more, because I've really enjoyed the Bozja story), because of the reveal in Fran's notes about Ashelia being alive. I like the ambiguousness of the story, and the likeableness of most of the IV legion people, and the class tension n stuff.
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May 28, 2021 21:20
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Bruceski posted:AKA Ivalice as balls. Milleuda did nothing wrong
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May 28, 2021 21:20
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reminder that pagaga's dad is this loving guy
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May 28, 2021 21:22
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Babysitter Super Sleuth posted:The game in general is extremely inconsistent about the actual practical efficacy of healing magic, especially about how effective it is at healing life threatening trauma. In general it seems to hover around the idea that healing magic as practiced by the WoL is more like extremely efficient first aid. I was thinking about this during the endwalker trailer - Alisaie is KO'd after her verholy cast, right?
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May 28, 2021 21:24
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Nessus posted:It seems that there are chirugeons who are able to care for and repair wounds, and either avoid or treat infection; and then you have guys who can cast Cure or similar occasionally which may take care of infections and generally revitalize you from minor bashing and battering. Yeah but that just makes it worse than Alphi or you couldn't do anything for Arvenald.
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May 28, 2021 21:25
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Cuts, bruises, gashes, sprains and minor breaks - fixable with healing magic in the field That's how I've always taken it anyway
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May 28, 2021 21:29
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Blockhouse posted:reminder that pagaga's dad is this loving guy Tell me more
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May 28, 2021 21:30
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Once you start getting internal damage that's where cutscene magic stops working.
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May 28, 2021 21:32
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thetoughestbean posted:Tell me more sadly there's not a lot else to tell he's a bit character from Tactics Ogre that you can recruit and more or less has the exact personality mentioned in Pagaga's field notes
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May 28, 2021 21:32
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Veev posted:Once you start getting internal damage that's where cutscene magic stops working. You can stabilize people though like in that early SB cutscene where Krile yells at you for being a healer and not helping for the first and last time ever it seems.
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May 28, 2021 21:34
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thetoughestbean posted:Tell me more Warren Report on Ganpp posted:The Beastmaster Ganpp
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May 28, 2021 21:35
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Yeah, dude just showed up with high level beasts, which he could empower. Obda and Berda, two Griphons, were his main allies.
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May 28, 2021 21:36
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hobbesmaster posted:You can stabilize people though like in that early SB cutscene where Krile yells at you for being a healer and not helping for the first and last time ever it seems. It also comes up in ShB with the injured Eulmore catboy. Alph heals him. If you are also a healer, you pitch in.
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I've always assumed chirugeons use a mix of alchemy and healing magic because they're really loving good at their jobs compared to their real life medieval counterparts For instance Y'shtola getting nearly merked by Zenos at the start of Stormblood. A real life injury like that would probably end up being fatal or lead to a deadly infection and even in the best case take months of rest and physical therapy to recover from but thanks to the chirugeons she was just down for a few weeks after her condition was stabilized.
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Eimi posted:Yeah but that just makes it worse than Alphi or you couldn't do anything for Arvenald.
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Nessus posted:I figure Arenvald probably has injuries beyond the reach of this magic, like he actually had his leg eaten like a drumstick but Fordola was able to yank him loose. We obviously can't restore limbs or similar or Raubahn wouldn't have to wear his cape like that. Well it seemed like he took a pretty bad blow that sent him flying so I’m going to assume he had his internal organs damaged plus his spine got hosed up. Then Fordola basically dragged him out of the tower, which probably didn’t help.
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