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Bootcha posted:I've come to refer to this social phenomenon as "Telescopism". This is complicated, and I'm not sure it exactly captures the mood. CIG is not hiding their incompetence and inability to do things, they are showing it while they are lying. So it's more like the guy is sitting there smiling as he watches the salesman put the diorama together and patting it and saying "this is going to be the best moon you ever saw" and then he has the rube look through the toilet paper roll and he moves one of the paper moon people to wave its little arm at him. "Did you see him wave at you?! He thinks you are special! You're like his earth friend now!!! Wow it sure must be awesome to be you! You've got a moon family now! For this amazing low price you can help him have his own moon life and you can watch him grow and you know what, we're also building a space train so you can visit your moon friend you support... some day!"
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Fidelitious posted:There is no universe in which I believe this to be true. Don't rain on the guys parade as he pretends to be helping to bolster the CIG NPS score just by walking around with a shirt on.
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Tippis posted:The boat whisperer. I tried to make "gunboat diplomat" in Latin, but the closest I could get was legatus bellum naviculam "Boat commanders" according to google translate latin->english, I done messed up lol
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NumptyScrub posted:"Obsessed with details at the expense of the big picture" has been CR's modus operandi basically for ever. Whatever the spectrum is, I'm apparently on the opposite end from Star Citizen fans because I can watch a Superman movie where Henry Cavill suddenly has a digitally-edited mustache and it doesn't phase me because at least he still moves like Henry Cavill.
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Jun 4, 2021 16:12
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Blackstone posted:"One of Roberts' stated goals was to create a sense of scale. No space combat sim has yet been able to capture the magnitude of a massive capital ship. Freelancer looks as though it may change that, with enormous space stations and capital ships that truly dwarf your seemingly small fighter. Beyond the size, ship detail was remarkable, including moving parts and highly detailed textures. This ofcourse conveniently forgets that Freespace 1 and 2 had some truly ridiculously massive capital ships. And not that it matters since Roberts was not in charge anymore at that point but nothing in Freelancer was even all that big. Tzarnal fucked around with this message at 17:39 on Jun 4, 2021 |
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I don't really understand why he didn't just make a better Freelancer. Just take the things in that game, bring them into the modern era, add some features and just in general make the game better and more fun with more content. This absolute mess they've come up with is ridiculous when that would've probably been funded nearly as much and actually be doable.
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Tzarnal posted:This ofcourse conveniently forgets that Freespace 1 and 2 had some truly ridiculously massive capital ships. And not that it matters since Roberts was not in charge anymore at that point but nothing in Freespace was even all that big. It's also worth remembering that CRobbo never had that much of an understanding of, or insight into, the industry he was in. My old rant about Strike Commander gives a classic example of him attributing a wave of change that was happening in the industry to something he did, rather than understanding that what he did was just another part of that wave of change… and he was just a bit late in getting on board because he never kept track of what was going on. In a sense, his “visionary” work on the Wing Commander games was much the same: it was classic Cinemaware interactive storytelling combined with classic Lucasart simcade gameplay. None of it was new. Forgetting what has been done already is a long-standing tradition in everything Chris ever attempts.
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Play posted:I don't really understand why he didn't just make a better Freelancer. Just take the things in that game, bring them into the modern era, add some features and just in general make the game better and more fun with more content. This absolute mess they've come up with is ridiculous when that would've probably been funded nearly as much and actually be doable. That's literally what the first batch of backers actually wanted. It's what I was interested in at the time. The the money really started rolling in and... well... the promises got more and more ridiculous the higher the funding total got Looking forward to those extra 99 systems, that they were 100% confident they could deliver if they hit that $5m funding stretch goal. 
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Play posted:I don't really understand why he didn't just make a better Freelancer. Just take the things in that game, bring them into the modern era, add some features and just in general make the game better and more fun with more content. This absolute mess they've come up with is ridiculous when that would've probably been funded nearly as much and actually be doable. He wanted more money and he's not good at making things, OP
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Play posted:I don't really understand why he didn't just make a better Freelancer. Just take the things in that game, bring them into the modern era, add some features and just in general make the game better and more fun with more content. This absolute mess they've come up with is ridiculous when that would've probably been funded nearly as much and actually be doable. He can't. Not while he has too much money and freedom. It would be like asking a kleptomaniac why can't them stop stealing the soap dispenser from your bathroom, they can't control themselves.
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I can't wait for backers to unironicaly assert that development didn't really start until after Chris Roberts left the company. He had to build multiple game companies from scratch and then realize he can't make games befoore the dream could be realized.
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mrking posted:I can't wait for backers to unironicaly assert that development didn't really start until after Chris Roberts left the company. He had to build multiple game companies from scratch and then realize he can't make games befoore the dream could be realized. I suggest "After Chris" (AC) or "Before Zurovek" (BZ) to help number the years of development.
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We could also use AJB (After the July Blog)
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Play posted:I don't really understand why he didn't just make a better Freelancer. Just take the things in that game, bring them into the modern era, add some features and just in general make the game better and more fun with more content. This absolute mess they've come up with is ridiculous when that would've probably been funded nearly as much and actually be doable. Because he failed to make Freelancer in the first place.
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Good post.
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FishMcCool posted:Because he failed to make Freelancer in the first place. What HAS he made? lol marumaru posted:Good post. It's absolutely hilarious how that (somehow both self-aggrandizing and self-pitying at the same time) statement from Roberts lays out all of this stuff that they should've done differently and it's all stuff he is doing the same way or much worse now.
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The Titanic posted:It's like Chris loves blade runner so much not only is he trying to copy what he can, he also took the last scene with Roy talking about all the things in his life and literally made a video game about telling you all the cool things you'll never get to see either. Good back of the box quote right there.
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Play posted:What HAS he made? lol Chris is incapable of introspection. I'm saying this because while he unapologetically tries to place himself beside Coppola as a visionary creator, in that blurb regarding Strike Commander, he also proves himself incapable of learning from those past mistakes, or tempering his enthusiasm for complexity when it was a primary driver for the issues that Strike Commander (and later, Freelancer) would have. Those same issues which have also been causing problems for Star Citizen since 2012 I think Chris may be a not-good game designer 
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Play posted:What HAS he made? lol https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=78Q6qrzYw5I
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marumaru posted:Good post. "Almost a quarter of a century later" >checks post date. 2016.  . We were such naïve children back then. We didn't know (and we still most likely don't) the true Power of Chris
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NumptyScrub posted:I think Chris may be a not-good game designer He has an aspect of Dunning-Kruger or something similar. He has great dreams and he is great at selling his dreams, but he is incapable of realizing those dreams or even giving control to competent people, because he thinks he's a super star game dev and code whisperer.
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lobsterminator posted:He has an aspect of Dunning-Kruger or something similar. He has great dreams and he is great at selling his dreams, but he is incapable of realizing those dreams or even giving control to competent people, because he thinks he's a super star game dev and code whisperer. Honestly, I don't think so. He's just a scammer and not a self-deluded one. When this poo poo storm started? Maybe. But in 2021? No way José trucutru fucked around with this message at 17:50 on Jun 4, 2021 |
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FishMcCool posted:Because he failed to make Freelancer in the first place. 
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trucutru posted:Honestly, I don't think so. He's just a scammer and not a self-deluded one. He compared himself to JFK and Star Citizen to landing on the Moon.
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Honestly that he's a cokehead sounds more and more like the most plausible expansion to me. The sweaty grandiosity, shadiness, manic energy, overconfidence, financial shenanigans, all of it has strong coke energy.
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trucutru posted:Honestly, I don't think so. He's just a scammer and not a self-deluded one. To his credit, I don't think he started off trying to scam people. Pretty sure it sort of matured into that and a matter of fact "people want to give me money for nothing" kind of attitude that grew up later. Honestly you have to have integrity as a person to both control yourself and others and realize that "I have enough to do what I said I would do, and I'm going to do that thing now to make people happy." This is why Kickstarter exists, but it's also why things like Patreon exist too, where people can fund some projects for thing they like indefinitely. My biggest thing with the project has been sort of two fold: 1: Promising things you have no intention to deliver or no ability to deliver 2: Selling people these promises You can just go back and look at the original Kickstarter goals to see how far off base what's been sold vs what's been made. Also when things keep popping up like Marine Captain and Theaters of What you know that not only is your money not going into what you thought it was (developmentally), but you're also not being told what CIG is doing when one of their claims to fame has been "transparency". FOIP out of nowhere, planet landings out of nowhere... all of these things nobody was told about until they suddenly were there and nobody was able to stop them and focus on just making the original drat promise. Nobody asked for or was even believing that eating hot dogs and tracking the argon in a room was going to be part of the scope... because it just keeps growing and growing. CR has shiny objects syndrome, and a total inability to manage a large project over even the course of a month, without destroying the plans already in place from last months promises and development goals. As a CEO, "absolving myself" is not something you do and it's hilarious that people are still giving him money.
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Imagined posted:Honestly that he's a cokehead sounds more and more like the most plausible expansion to me. The sweaty grandiosity, shadiness, manic energy, overconfidence, financial shenanigans, all of it has strong coke energy. * cough* Vitamins. He is a vitamin taker. And these vitamins really unlock his inner abilities like none other!!!
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Well you see they had a backer poll that asked "Do you want the greatest game of all time or that lovely one we originally pitched on Kickstarter?" and backers resoundingly said give us more so it's all fine.
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Popete posted:Well you see they had a backer poll that asked "Do you want the greatest game of all time or that lovely one we originally pitched on Kickstarter?" and backers resoundingly said give us more so it's all fine. Yes. Did anybody ever find that poll? Because I feel like it's the only poll that CIG has ever apparently adhered to and golly gee whiz it happens to be the one that resulted in CIG taking a decade to not make a complete game yet because gosh darn it out 13 people voted "go all in and never stop ever ever!!!" And similar to that poll, find a second poll where user input was asked for and resulted in CIG changing directions plz thank you.
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The Brexit model. "It's a terrible idea we have no idea how to accomplish but gosh darn it, we held a non-binding poll and 50.1% of the people who bothered to vote told us to do it so we're going to do it or die trying whether it's a good idea or not!"
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The Titanic posted:This is complicated, and I'm not sure it exactly captures the mood. I'd argue the incompetent in-your-face lying came later, years after promising those features, when they became untenable to ignore. By that moment, Citizens have been trained to only believe what they saw through the telescope, and the added confidence that hundreds of thousands of other suckers surrounding themselves with generative comforting lies for every delay/non-delivery/speed-bump/letdown, means Citizens don't even acknowledge, much less get concerned about, the technical theatre being performed. In a sense, nearly all of them are still looking through the telescope. In fact, the only times Citizens have reacted negatively to something CR/CIG did, was when the thing done actively made the Citizens themselves look like suckers and apologists and cultists, like the CitCon paid streaming tickets or the referral system. Citizens are able to better deflect criticism of those labels if the Citizens themselves generatively embrace those aspects without CIG overtly dictating that behavior.
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The Titanic posted:This is why Kickstarter exists, but it's also why things like Patreon exist too, where people can fund some projects for thing they like indefinitely. Now that you mention it, it's kind of funny. If this had been a Patreon for the “let's keep slamming our palms against keyboards and see what comes out” project, I would probably have been entirely fine with this whole thing. Open-ended, free to chip in as much as you like to fund the continued stream of ill-advised but comedic garbage, and no real promises beyond that it will be entertaining to watch. It would be perfect. Tippis fucked around with this message at 18:45 on Jun 4, 2021 |
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Tippis posted:Now that you mention it, it's kind of funny. Actually yeah something about the patreon model of “pay me a little bit until you realize I’m full of poo poo” would make SC moderately less reprehensible to me for reasons I can’t really articulate
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Beet Wagon posted:Actually yeah something about the patreon model of “pay me a little bit until you realize I’m full of poo poo” would make SC moderately less reprehensible to me for reasons I can’t really articulate It's probably just the blunt honesty underlining it. “Pay me to keep going. Nothing else.” It's what CRobber and the backers are already doing, except they're trying desperately not to mention the second bit and instead hide it behind a thin veneer of theory crafting and increasingly elaborate explanations why that means that while it may seem like nothing else is happening, it definitely will. Some time in the future. Honestly. Pinky-promise. A scheme of, ”if you enjoy giving me money, give me money” is just more honest than “if you enjoy giving me money, let me help you pretend you're doing it for some other reason.” Tippis fucked around with this message at 20:35 on Jun 4, 2021 |
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The Titanic posted:* cough* This but with the unmistakable thumb head of Cris Blobbers 
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Tippis posted:Nuh-uh!
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Just get an Obama T-shirt, see if you don't get people coming to talk to you.
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trucutru posted:Just get an Obama T-shirt, see if you don't get people coming to talk to you. Paired with a red MAGA hat
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Bofast posted:Kind of like how people might react to you wearing a NES style 2D Mario/Zelda t-shirt because it was part of their childhood. the reaction of walking in the other direction at an abnormally high pace
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