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the_steve posted:Wasn't there something a number of years ago about Republican politicians out of Kansas or somewhere thereabouts fleeing across state lines so they couldn't be forced to vote on something? It was Oregon and it happened a couple years ago https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/jun/28/how-republican-senators-killed-oregons-climate-crisis-bill edit: Turtle tax 
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the_steve posted:Wasn't there something a number of years ago about Republican politicians out of Kansas or somewhere thereabouts fleeing across state lines so they couldn't be forced to vote on something? It's a thing that happens every now and then. Most recent incident was Texas Dems fleeing to a nearby church to break quorum to prevent new voter restrictions from passing—probably the most infamous incident from recent memory was Oregon House GOP fleeing across statelines to completely shut down the Oregon legislature, yeah.
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Rea posted:It's a thing that happens every now and then. Most recent incident was Texas Dems fleeing to a nearby church to break quorum to prevent new voter restrictions from passing—probably the most infamous incident from recent memory was Oregon House GOP fleeing across statelines to completely shut down the Oregon legislature, yeah. I remember the wisonsin democrats going out of state/into hiding to deny a quorum about public union rights back in 2011.
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Kaiju Cage Match posted:It was Oregon and it happened a couple years ago New page means you're supposed to post animal pictures, not pics of senators
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Kraftwerk posted:None of us are scientists either. this is totally false but i won't go into it further here. maybe i'll post my experiences with, and education in, climatology in the climate change thread, but suffice to say i'm not just 'reading tea leaves'. wizzardstaff posted:He thinks he'll make history as some kind of martyr. the local chuds here in oregon fuckin love the guy and what he did, so saying he will be a martyr is probably accurate. i mean gently caress i still see people holding up the moron who got himself killed during the malheur standoff as a hero, same with the woman who got killed during the capital insurrection. lovely white conservatives love absolutely nothing more than to view other lovely white conservatives who get killed or otherwise punished for doing lovely white conservative things as unfairly wronged martyrs, it reinforces their belief that actually, the white man, and especially the white conservative man, is the oppressed in this nation.
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https://twitter.com/ZoeTillman/status/1402062667746009092 i'll admit to be wholly ignorant to the actual principles behind attempting to substitute the united states for trump/the president, but to continue to defend this is gross and strikes me as an ill omen to the idea that trump will ever face punishment for his actions as prez. like dont get me wrong, i had zero belief that would come to pass, but i figured that would simply be a neglect to prosecute, rather than an affirmative defense like quote:DOJ’s effort to intervene in the case last fall was widely criticized as a misuse of government resources on behalf of Trump. During a nationally televised town hall event in October, Biden had highlighted the Carroll case as an example of Trump trying to use the Justice Department as his “own law firm.” how can this be squared with the DOJ's current defense? A big flaming stink fucked around with this message at 02:23 on Jun 8, 2021 |
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A big flaming stink posted:i'll admit to be wholly ignorant to the actual principles behind attempting to substitute the united states for trump/the president, but to continue to defend this is gross and strikes me as an ill omen to the idea that trump will ever face punishment for his actions as prez. i'm still holding out a small amount of hope that the sdny or tish james' office nails him for something, but they'll prolly just end up going after virtually every person in his circle other than him
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I went to a Democratic Golf Scramble in my county this evening, mostly because John Gregg is among the party members running around promoting the benefits of the American Recovery Plan. He's also stumping hard for a $4 trillion infrastructure bill and pushing people to write letters (implications to target it at Sinema and Manchin) to go it alone on reconciliation at the earliest opportunity because Republicans are beyond redemption. For an audience of embittered rural Hoosier Democratic boomers, the discussion was pretty similar to D&D in terms of combining "WHY NOT DONE?" with "I expected Biden to do nothing, so this has been nice." He also came perilously close to sharing stories about Mike Pence from when they were in law school together, but he chickened out. So I have no insight into Pence's scholarly equine affairs. He just brought out the old joke about Pence being "the first man to write a book before reading one." Gregg may have gotten toasted in his gubernatorial pursuits, but he's a decent speaker. Got a bit of Baptist preacher in him, only his message was a blunt "gently caress the Deficit and gently caress the Republicans." He's also got a beard to go with his mustache now and he mentioned multiple times that he keeps pistols on hand, so the former Indiana Speaker of the House is spending his retirement as Yosemite Sam.
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Medullah posted:New page means you're supposed to post animal pictures, not pics of senators That's an insult to turtles.
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A big flaming stink posted:how can this be squared with the DOJ's current defense? "trump's a gross monster but so are all presidents so they should be immune from lawsuits."
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Shageletic posted:that is still several hundred thousands of people. This is a terrible decision and its terrible that Biden has backed the DOJ on this, which is one of a number of terrible positions his administration has taken in the courts, from defending Trump era plans to drill in the Arctic to ripping SSI away from Puerto Ricans. This is much more specific ruling than these headlines are making it seem, and it is exactly the way the law is written. It does not affect TPS holders who originally entered lawfully, and it does not affect TPS holders who traveled while on TPS and were subsequently admitted to the US through advance parole. In fact, TPS holders who traveled with Advance Parole have been held to be admitted, satisfying this requirement. This interpretation has recently changed, and I expect it is being appealed as we speak. A holding on THAT issue saying that entry through advance parole meets the definition of "inspected and admitted or paroled" will be a much more coherent route to achieving a path to LPR status for TPS holders.
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It's swell to see the Biden administration continuing to beat the drum of Trump's hard line anti-immigration rhetoric. At least a few progressives are standing up against this bullshit. https://twitter.com/AOC/status/1402041820096389124?s=20
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The Biden Administration, and particularly its DOJ seem to have a really bizarre habit of trying to defend Trump Era bullshit until AOC et al call them out. They at least seem to listen when they do get called out but it really shouldn't have to come to that.
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InsertPotPun posted:https://twitter.com/ZoeTillman/status/1402072587191083009 (Is this a mere deferral to state/non-federal prosecutions to handle Trump specifically so Biden washes his hands of setting any 'dangerous precedents' as he sees it?)
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Grouchio posted:Okay Biden but why should the presidency be immune to lawsuits? Are they supposed to be above the law or not? https://twitter.com/joshgerstein/status/1402092302571540483
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Tayter Swift posted:The Biden Administration, and particularly its DOJ seem to have a really bizarre habit of trying to defend Trump Era bullshit until AOC et al call them out. They at least seem to listen when they do get called out but it really shouldn't have to come to that. The DOJ are the government's attorneys, so they're going to defend the government and government power. I know that sounds like a really obvious statement, but that also means that if the President asserts an executive power, the DOJ is going to defend it, even if the President who first asserted the executive power isn't around anymore. In the Carrol case, the position that Trump asserted was that when he said the potentially defamatory stuff against Carrol, he was speaking as the President in his public duty as President, because communicating with the public is the President's job, and you can't sue the President for doing his job. Now, is this self serving bullshit that Trump made up to try to get him off the hook from this lawsuit? Sure, probably. But the DOJ doesn't care if Trump personally is on the hook for the lawsuit or not. They do care about increasing the power of the Office of the President, because if that argument stands up in court, then Biden can also make statements like that. So in this case, it's wrong to see it as a partisan issue for the DOJ. It's an institutional issue, and the DOJ is pretty much always going to argue for an expansive view of executive power.
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GARLAND! What is your reasoning here!? Are you NOT anti-fascist??Epicurius posted:The DOJ are the government's attorneys, so they're going to defend the government and government power. I know that sounds like a really obvious statement, but that also means that if the President asserts an executive power, the DOJ is going to defend it, even if the President who first asserted the executive power isn't around anymore. In the Carrol case, the position that Trump asserted was that when he said the potentially defamatory stuff against Carrol, he was speaking as the President in his public duty as President, because communicating with the public is the President's job, and you can't sue the President for doing his job. Edit: Oh. This still seems like bad PR. Grouchio fucked around with this message at 05:00 on Jun 8, 2021 |
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Tayter Swift posted:So... what the hell is Garland doing? That's two about-faces in a week, and it sure looks like there will be a third tomorrow. Dare I ask what about?
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Flopsy posted:Dare I ask what about? Pineapple on pizza.
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Agents are GO! posted:Pineapple on pizza. I had that in Kauai. I dunno if it's something about actually eating that dish in it's homeland but my pie ruled.
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Flopsy posted:I had that in Kauai. I dunno if it's something about actually eating that dish in it's homeland but my pie ruled.  Hawaiian pizza comes from Ontario.
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Agents are GO! posted:Pineapple on pizza.
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Honestly I kinda am starting to think that the Garland Justice Department has less been deliberately defending Trump decisions and more or less entirely focused on stuff like early antitrust work and cybersecurity action like the Coloniel Pipeline thing that they've not even done a proper accounting of other ongoing investigations and have kinda just let pre-existing policy sit. Which is almost worse.
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Note I didnt say in which direction the policy is changing. Pineapple on pizza banned? Pinappleon pizza mandatory? 
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JT Jag posted:Honestly I kinda am starting to think that the Garland Justice Department has less been deliberately defending Trump decisions and more or less entirely focused on stuff like early antitrust work and cybersecurity action like the Coloniel Pipeline thing that they've not even done a proper accounting of other ongoing investigations and have kinda just let pre-existing policy sit. Which is almost worse. Biden understands the importance of preventing any precedent that would make it easier to prosecute presidents for crimes. That’s probably the real frustration of dealing with trump’s baggage, given that much of it is probably petty fraud unrelated to the actual reasons why no president must be held accountable for their crimes.
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Antifa Turkeesian posted:Biden understands the importance of preventing any precedent that would make it easier to prosecute presidents for crimes. That’s probably the real frustration of dealing with trump’s baggage, given that much of it is probably petty fraud unrelated to the actual reasons why no president must be held accountable for their crimes. Garland. You mean Garland.
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https://twitter.com/mattkatz00/status/1402007414036217858?s=20 ICE continues to be a very normal entity.
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I expect that Barr has gummed up DOJ with lots of bad guidance and memos full of his disturbing legal theories. There are also probably a fair amount of Chud lawyers who agree with it. I expect that letting some of it get tested in court is about the best neutral position garland could take that’s in line with ‘rule of law’ and not political ideology. That said Biden commenting on DOJ cases publicly seems like a bad idea. Now if garland changes position it’s going to look political.
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Louisiana just voted narrowly voted to decriminalize possession of up to half an ounce of marijuana. The Senate voted 20-17, with every Democrat and several Republicans in favor. Governor Edwards is a Democrat and will sign the bill. Maximum penalty is a $100 fine and no possibility for jail time, even for repeat offenses. Everyone with a pending charge when it is signed will get it converted to a fine (nothing for people already convicted, though). quote:“This is just a walk down to decriminalizing any form of punishment for possessing” other drugs, said Sen. Bodi White, a Central Republican. You're not wrong Bodi... https://apnews.com/article/la-state-wire-louisiana-marijuana-government-and-politics-10544de0b218af304969e30607b069ef
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Meanwhile Texas is being the best little Confederate state Texas can be https://twitter.com/SethCotlar/status/1402011593362219008?s=20
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“Patriotic education” makes my blood boil. Patriotism is only possible through ignorance. It’s oxymoronic.
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It's wild how badly they're all chimping out over an issue of the New York Times from 2 years ago. It's been months of this stupid culture war poo poo. It's all completely incomprehensible to me from the outside--like they pick their culture-war targets at complete random. At least the voter suppression stuff has a goal I can understand. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST) EDIT: I had no idea that was a racist phrase or a phrase with any racial connotation at all. I'd never knowingly use a racist phrase, even in jest. I AM GRANDO fucked around with this message at 19:55 on Jun 9, 2021 |
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LeeMajors posted:“Patriotic education” makes my blood boil. I mean, the way it's used here in 2021 is only in support of the status quo and almost as a euphemism for white nationalism, but there are a pretty limited number of ideologies that would disregard patriotism entirely, as that effectively demands that you derive no identity from the nation-state.
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CommieGIR posted:Meanwhile Texas is being the best little Confederate state Texas can be https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EKYz2M6zoII Old James fucked around with this message at 16:50 on Jun 8, 2021 |
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BRAKE FOR MOOSE posted:I mean, the way it's used here in 2021 is only in support of the status quo and almost as a euphemism for white nationalism, but there are a pretty limited number of ideologies that would disregard patriotism entirely, as that effectively demands that you derive no identity from the nation-state. There's something about
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Antifa Turkeesian posted:It's wild how badly they're all chimping out over an issue of the New York Times from 2 years ago. It's been months of this stupid culture war poo poo. It's all completely incomprehensible to me from the outside--like they pick their culture-war targets at complete random. They’re basically trying to assert that these things are an inalienable part of their cultural identity in order to spark the same feelings you’d have for a minority when their cultural and ethnic rights are denied. By mimicking that same feeling they can enforce the status quo from a position of being a protected cultural group rather than a symbol of slavery and colonialism. It’s a weird flex where they’re literally trying to whitewash and legitimize the past. Get used to this as right wingers will continue to play the victim despite being the victimizer. In their minds it worked so well for everyone else so they figure by always being under attack and having to defend they have a rhetorical upper hand. It doesn’t work on people whose intelligence overwhelms their raw animal emotions but such people are a minority.
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Antifa Turkeesian posted:chimping out ?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? What, did I turn my back for two minutes and this phrase stopped being exclusively used by 4chan racists?
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