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Larryb posted:This is also a thing: Whhhhyyyyyyyyy..... [edit] lmao, sniped.
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Larryb posted:This is also a thing: LeBron James has less acting charisma than Rick Flagg in suicide squad
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I hate this movie a little more with every new thing I see of it (and the original wasn’t exactly a great film to begin with). If anyone here bothered to read the recent comic adaptation is there ANYTHING decent about all this (the “shoot the ball” gag and Daffy in general are ok I guess)? Larryb fucked around with this message at 22:38 on Jul 1, 2021 |
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ThermoPhysical posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FmW6gyWd0-8 God this loving sucks so much. That should be Lola's new look though imo I like the original Space Jam. I though it's a really fun time. Everything I keep seeing about the sequel makes it look worse and worse.
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MinionOfCthulhu posted:My son’s new movie obsession is Raya. Send help. This movie was not very good. Counterpoint -..... wait no counterpoint, it's def not very good. This brings me to something though, I love the skin texture in Luca. There's actual texture, and freckles and some grain and just in general it feels tactile. I cannot stand the rubbery-ness of everyone in Raya. Like, it actually gives me a negative reaction to the characters. Also this is my favorite moment in Luca: 
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Shageletic posted:Lol maybe bc I'm foreign born I didnt even get there was a gay subtext to it. I see it now, but goes to show that alot of ppl aren't gonna see it either. Though there's a lot of work being done under the hood about Luca being the odd duck for *vague reasons*.
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FilthyImp posted:A lot of it is because America doesn't approach same-sex male friendships as a thing outside of "Beer?! SPORTS?! JAWSOME!!" Yeah especially with some of the explaining in this thread I'm definitely seeing the subtext in the whole secrecy/coming out stuff, but the snap to say the stuff like e.g. holding hands/missing each other/even jealousy implies simply romantic feelings still feels kind of off to me; these aren't at all alien feelings or actions for all kinds of friendships, and--just like how in the inverse it's bad how in our society children's girl/boy friendships with the same cues are inevitably painted as romantic--I think the people leaping to them definitely having to have feelings for each other are kind of off base. I think it's important to show our children that it's okay to have whatever feelings about whatever gender, and I like that Luca leaves it all open and doesn't at all shut that interpretation down. But I think to paint it as explicitly romantic--as though those actions must mean that--is kind of bad. Boys can have friends like Luca and Alberto. I mean I can understand the want tp make the film explicitly gay considering we still need more films that are explicitly gay, but ambiguity of Luca is also important; in the Anglophone world especially same-sex childhood friendships are also not in a particularly healthy place, like you say. Koramei fucked around with this message at 01:44 on Jul 2, 2021 |
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For me the monster allegory in Luca could clearly be read as being about gay acceptance without their relationship being a gay one.
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Larryb posted:This is also a thing: This is very late 90's early 00's energy where Matrix parodies ran rampart
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I'd like to see Disney do a very traditional princess movie, but they're gay and there's just gently caress-all subtlety. I know it ain't gonna happen because money, but hey.
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They’d still release it, but the foreign dubs would insist that they’re just really good friends, cousins, etc., no matter how blatantly obvious their romance is
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FilthyImp posted:A lot of it is because America doesn't approach same-sex male friendships as a thing outside of "Beer?! SPORTS?! JAWSOME!!" I remember having all kinds of puppy worship of the more confident cooler boys in my school. I just wanted to be like them. The being literally out of your element really spoke to me re my awkward childhoid
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Someone pointed it out upthread but it's totally fine that Luca is pretty much a rorschach test on whether it's about friendships and fitting in or being gay af, that way it maybe reaches some kids whose family might not otherwise let them watch. But yeah it would be great if we had movies that were allegories like this one and then also some other movies where queer kids just get to be all explicitly queer and poo poo. The 'teen's first romance' trope has been done so many times in so many ways in so many kid's movies, have someone gay get their first peck on the cheek and get all twitterpated finally. I keep thinking about Violet's arc in Incredibles 1, she coulda been crushing on some girl instead
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BonoMan posted:Counterpoint -..... wait no counterpoint, it's def not very good. I missed all the Raya posts because it took me forever to watch it but I imagine everyone was mostly negative about it. What a bunch of wasted potential. Five countries to visit means we barely spend time in any of them, the message about trust was poorly done (Naamari’s finger was tightening on the trigger, it’s bullshit that she tries to say “Raya it’s just as much your fault”), I did not like the magical karate baby, and Sisu’s design sucked. Also the script. And lots of little things. Why did no one in the crowd in Talon react to the fact that the “most feared chief” appeared among them and “saved” the woman they were all threatening? Why are the monkeys the only animals seemingly affected by the Druun? Why did I like the Druun better when they were called the Sha and pandas were fighting them? Luca however was very good, very pretty, and I loved the music.
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starkebn posted:For me the monster allegory in Luca could clearly be read as being about gay acceptance without their relationship being a gay one. This is true but they also had a literal train station goodbye scene at the end. Zero One fucked around with this message at 15:18 on Jul 2, 2021 |
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Hawkperson posted:Someone pointed it out upthread but it's totally fine that Luca is pretty much a rorschach test on whether it's about friendships and fitting in or being gay af, that way it maybe reaches some kids whose family might not otherwise let them watch. But yeah it would be great if we had movies that were allegories like this one and then also some other movies where queer kids just get to be all explicitly queer and poo poo. The 'teen's first romance' trope has been done so many times in so many ways in so many kid's movies, have someone gay get their first peck on the cheek and get all twitterpated finally. I keep thinking about Violet's arc in Incredibles 1, she coulda been crushing on some girl instead This is pretty much how I feel about it. Zero One posted:This is true but they also had a literal train station goodbye scene at the end. The film felt pretty gay to me, because of this and a few other details, but I know I was primed to read it that way, both by discussion ahead of time and my own experiences. It's definitely a valid reading whether the director intended it or not.
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I'm starting to think that Luca might also be read as Demisexual, which would be an interesting benefit of the film's perceived non-het subtexts.
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I've talked about it before but Luca is VERY gay and it's VERY intentional. It's just that the gayness is limited to the realm of themes, vibes and allegory so if you aren't familiar with gay culture then you probably missed most of it. For example, here are Luca and Alberto in fish form: And here's the MLM pride flag:  Hrmmmmm.....  I'm not joking when I say that Luca is the gayest mainstream kid's movie I've ever seen.There's tons of moments like Luca's parents finding his
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readingatwork posted:I've talked about it before but Luca is VERY gay and it's VERY intentional. It's just that the gayness is limited to the realm of themes, vibes and allegory so if you aren't familiar with gay culture then you probably missed most of it. For example, here are Luca and Alberto in fish form: Yeah the more I watch it the more it's so clear. That moment of his first surface outing when he's just looking around and all of a sudden everything has such clarity and is so beautiful. That's obviously such "oh *this* is what it means to be the person I always knew I was" moment. It's a lovely analogy but it reminds me of us folks with glasses when we finally get our first pair and we didn't realize how lovely we had been viewing the world. "HOLY poo poo! There are LEAVES on motherfuckin' TREES!" edit: also I didn't realize MLM had their own pride flag. Learn something new every day.
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Looking forward to rewatching it now with all that in mind.
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Yeah, a straight friend of mine watched Luca and thought it was alright, if slight. I told him to rewatch it with a gay reading in mind (he’s empathetic enough to be able to), and he said it completely changed how he saw it. He now regards it as one of Pixar‘s best, and that once he was pointed at it, the allegory becomes very clear.
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The_Doctor posted:Yeah, a straight friend of mine watched Luca and thought it was alright, if slight. I told him to rewatch it with a gay reading in mind (he’s empathetic enough to be able to), and he said it completely changed how he saw it. He now regards it as one of Pixar‘s best, and that once he was pointed at it, the allegory becomes very clear. Yeah my first viewing I kinda saw it as bland... not bad by any stretch, but not really engaging. But now it's like I can't get enough. It's so drat good. And honestly even without the subtext it's good.. just took a couple of viewings for me. I love the score - moments of it feel like some sort of Andrew Bird/Kishi Bashi collaboration.
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readingatwork posted:I've talked about it before but Luca is VERY gay and it's VERY intentional. It's just that the gayness is limited to the realm of themes, vibes and allegory so if you aren't familiar with gay culture then you probably missed most of it. For example, here are Luca and Alberto in fish form: There is so many pride flags out there at the moment, I don't think matching the color scheme of the flag means anything. Especially since those colors are already associated with aquatic stuff. To be clear, I'm talking about this specific scenario.
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must we have this endless litigaytion. back when the gays laid claim to cabaret or mommie dearest they didn't care what anybody thought. the fishes is gay. they are part of gay culture now. there is naught to be done
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IShallRiseAgain posted:There is so many pride flags out there at the moment, I don't think matching the color scheme of the flag means anything. Especially since those colors are already associated with aquatic stuff. To be clear, I'm talking about this specific scenario. I dunno man. I think context is key here. Also each one seems to own either side of the white bar. I'd say it's intentional. Or at least reinforced.
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BonoMan posted:I dunno man. I think context is key here. Also each one seems to own either side of the white bar. I'd say it's intentional. Or at least reinforced. Luca is like 40% blue in that frame. It's a cool idea but this feels like one of those "fun facts" that goes around for years until someone finally asks the artist and they answer "hadn't even occurred to me".
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Criterion's got a pretty good selection of art house animation available this month on streaming https://www.animationmagazine.net/streaming/criterion-channel-programs-31-art-house-animation-films-for-july/ Gonna try to work my way through the most of the set in chronological order. Watched Journey to the Beginning of Time and Invention for Destruction last night, and just watching them I could tell "Wes Anderson probably loves this movie."
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You're in for a treat. Next up is Baron Munchausen, which is all the good things about Invention for Destruction turned up to eleven. One of the most creative films I know.
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Can confirm re: flag colors being used by people without knowledge by the artists. A gay artist used the colors of the asexual flag in a scene, and the showrunner had him change the colors because none of the asexual characters were in that scene. The artist had no idea he'd used any meaningful color scheme (this was back in 2016ish when pride flags weren't as widely known). Luca is still hell gay tho Megera fucked around with this message at 19:15 on Jul 2, 2021 |
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Watching Tintin and the Secret of the Unicorn, and it's a goddamn shame the follow up movie is in development hell - it looks really good, and I notice how strongly the film's angled and shot like a live action movie.
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Megera posted:Can confirm re: flag colors being used by people without knowledge by the artists. A gay artist used the colors of the asexual flag in a scene, and the showrunner had him change the colors because none of the asexual characters were in that scene. The artist had no idea he'd used any meaningful color scheme (this was back in 2016ish when pride flags weren't as widely known). 2021 anime wonder egg priority did almost beat for beat the awful LGBT naoto story line from persona 4 but feels like they deliberately wanted to fix that story and ended the character's final battle with them wearing this: 
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Speaking of, is Wonder Egg Priority any good? Also a new trailer for He-Man Revelation just dropped: https://youtube.com/watch?v=iXdEeRBh9Zk
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Larryb posted:Speaking of, is Wonder Egg Priority any good? i haven't seen it but i was following along with the thread+discussion and it sounds like it has a strong start before starting to fall off and ending in a trainwreck of bad writing
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Yeah, it squanders all the good points and ended up becoming really offensive at the end, not to mention the majority of the final episode is essentially a clip show and showing signs the animators are burned out.
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Samuel Clemens posted:You're in for a treat. Next up is Baron Munchausen, which is all the good things about Invention for Destruction turned up to eleven. One of the most creative films I know. You weren't kidding, that movie was insane. Next up is Belladonna of Sadness.
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I was just rewatching Poor Unfortunate Souls for the nth time (It's one of my favourite Disney villain songs) and there is an aspect of it that I appreciate. The thing I love is the look on Ariel's face as she signs the contract, because it shows a lot of complex emotions crossing her face at once. From fear of Ursula, to a sense of "gently caress it, my Dad's not gonna help me, this is my one shot". It's a kind of anger that she ends on, like she knows she's taking a bad deal, but she's going through with it not only out of desperation but spite. signing Ursula's contract is her ultimate defiance of her father's will. She just doesn't understand how far into the Deep end she is plunging. She also clearly noticed that Sebastien and Flounder were there, and while they got interrupted it's very likely she got the message that they were trying to convey, that this was a bad idea, but at that point in her story she's fallen so deep into seizing what she wants that she can't take a step back now. 1: Shock at the pen, and a feeling of being overwhelmed by Ursula's pressure-selling:  2: One last look at Sebastien and flounder, knowing that she'll miss them:  3: Staring down Ursula, her final hope for her happiness, considering whether this is worth it:  4: Staring down the contract, as her resolve hardens:  5: Her resolve overruling her fear as she signs, but part of her knowing just how badly this is going to gently caress her, a tinge of regret but knowing that there is no backing out now, as she cannot bring herself to watch her hand make her biggest mistake.  6: Resolve finally mixing with concern as she takes one last look at what she has just done. She couldn't bring herself to watch it happen, but now it's over, and a sense of finality sets in. This is it. This is my life now.  BioEnchanted fucked around with this message at 20:26 on Jul 3, 2021 |
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