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BiggerBoat: Sep 26, 2007; Don't you tell me my business again.

Darthemed posted:

The Amazing Spider-Man Family #5 (2009)
Pencils: Ron Frenz
Inks: Sal Buscema

Captain Courageous Comics #6 (1942)
Pencils/Inks: Unknown

Jungle Action #1 (1972)
Pencils/Inks: Syd Shores

Our Flag Comics #5 (1942)
Pencils/Inks: George Mandel

Thing that bothers me most about all these is the coloring. The old ones were limited by printing processes and color registration issues on cheap paper but that first one bugs me the most. I hate that gradient airbrush look that so many modern colorists use.

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Fish Of Doom posted:

The Galactus Christmas Special

Earth's Biggest Cubs Fan

# ? Jul 7, 2021 00:32

Random Stranger: Nov 27, 2009

Keromaru5 posted:

I think that's actually Johnny; he's the one they send into Galactus' ship to get the Ultimate Nullifier.

No, that page is from "This Man, This Monster" and Reed is diving into the Negative Zone for the first time while a jealous scientist who has stolen Ben's powers is getting ready to murder Reed.

# ? Jul 7, 2021 00:41

Darthemed: Oct 28, 2007; "A data unit?
For me?"; College Slice

Strange Tales #94 (1962)
Pencils/Inks: Steve Ditko

Strange Tales #95 (1962)
Pencils/Inks: Steve Ditko

Strange Tales #97 (1962)
Pencils: Jack Kirby
Inks: Dick Ayers

Strange Tales #97 (1962)
Pencils/Inks: Steve Ditko

Darthemed fucked around with this message at 18:17 on Jul 8, 2021

# ? Jul 7, 2021 06:15

David D. Davidson: Nov 17, 2012; Orca lady?

Darthemed posted:

The Mladness

# ? Jul 7, 2021 17:06

Darthemed: Oct 28, 2007; "A data unit?
For me?"; College Slice

Ghost Manor #36 (1978)
Pencils/Inks: Sanho Kim

Warlock #11 (1976)
Pencils: Jim Starlin
Inks: Steve Leialoha

# ? Jul 8, 2021 16:45

MarxCarl: Jul 18, 2003

Darthemed posted:

Strange Tales #97 (1962)
Pencils/Inks: Steve Ditko

Correction that's Kirby not Ditko, same issue.

Darthemed posted:

Strange Tales #97 (1962)
Pencils/Inks: Steve Ditko

and in this one, two of the main characters are Uncle Ben and Aunt May they've kidnapped Linda Brown

MarxCarl fucked around with this message at 18:13 on Jul 8, 2021

# ? Jul 8, 2021 18:08

Alhazred: Feb 16, 2011

Some more cool Thorgal covers:

# ? Jul 8, 2021 18:27

BiggerBoat: Sep 26, 2007; Don't you tell me my business again.

Steve Ditko never much grabbed me aside from some of his Dr. Strange stuff and even then. I don't know.

His storytelling is great. You can tell what's happening on a page without any word balloons at all but I never found his panels to be particularly dynamic in a way that just leapt off the page like Kirby's or Eisner's stuff does. Everything is kind of of straight on, ground level, 90 degree angle composition and he never rarely seems to break up his compositions within the panels or suggest a lot of depth, although he uses zooms pretty well. His work reminds me of the ways older movies used to be filmed where they usually looked like plays more than movies (because they kind of were and were shot that way).

I know he was a pioneer and all that and I'm not calling him poo poo by any means. There seems to be a noticeable difference in his work with different inkers too, which is true for a lot artists even now. And I always have to remind myself how much more difficult it must have been to draw anything at all during his heyday since reference material and photos were pretty hard to come by.

# ? Jul 8, 2021 22:50

Lobok: Jul 13, 2006; Say Watt?

I don't have MU anymore to go through old issues on my phone but one thing I can remember off the top of my head is the famous sequence of Spider-Man lifting the machinery off himself in If This Be My Destiny...! The panel size starts off tight and claustrophobic and gets bigger the more he frees himself.

# ? Jul 8, 2021 23:34

Darthemed: Oct 28, 2007; "A data unit?
For me?"; College Slice

And a couple of two-page pin-ups.

Giant-Size Defenders #1 (1974)
Pencils/Inks: Sal Buscema

Duckman #1 (1994)
Pencils/Inks: Everett Peck

# ? Jul 9, 2021 04:46

Mr.Chill: Aug 29, 2006

BiggerBoat posted:

Thing that bothers me most about all these is the coloring. The old ones were limited by printing processes and color registration issues on cheap paper but that first one bugs me the most. I hate that gradient airbrush look that so many modern colorists use.

Agreed. The gradient airbrush coloring trend is absolutely hideous. The uncolored lines would be far more appealing.

# ? Jul 10, 2021 09:23

bowmore: Oct 6, 2008; Lipstick Apathy

Ultimate Spider Man issue 4

# ? Jul 11, 2021 04:35

Darthemed: Oct 28, 2007; "A data unit?
For me?"; College Slice

Arguably not an art issue, but I just finished up reading the 2001 run of Exiles, and that poor series was just plagued by lettering/text errors. Here are a few of the more striking ones.

Exiles #1 (2001)
Lettering: Sharpefont, Paul Tutrone

Exiles #5 (2001)
Lettering: Sharpefont, Paul Tutrone

Exiles #12 (2002)
Lettering: Paul Tutrone
Each of those boxes by a character is supposed to have some info on who they are. Also, Deadpool's speech balloon.

Exiles #70 (2005)
Lettering: Dave Sharpe

Exiles #86 (2006)
Lettering: Dave Sharpe

And it even persisted into the follow-up series.

New Exiles #9 (2008)
Lettering: Tom Orzechowski

On a different note, very important to include these rear end details in this corpse-bearing scene.

Exiles #83 (2006)
Pencils: Casey Jones
Inks: Vince Russell

And... this.

New Exiles #2 (2008)
Pencils/Inks: Michael Golden

# ? Jul 12, 2021 03:56

X-O: Apr 28, 2002; Long Live The King!

Almost all of the lettering issues there are a result of being digitized. They aren't like that in the original issues or the trades.

# ? Jul 12, 2021 04:12

BiggerBoat: Sep 26, 2007; Don't you tell me my business again.

This threw me for a second

# ? Jul 13, 2021 22:46

Small Strange Bird: Sep 22, 2006; Merci, chaton!

Darthemed posted:

Absolutely begging for a Batman-style Dick Butt edit.

# ? Jul 14, 2021 08:00

Random Stranger: Nov 27, 2009

BiggerBoat posted:

This threw me for a second

Nice of Magneto to not remove the claw sheaths when he was yanking the rest of the metal out of Wolverine.

# ? Jul 14, 2021 12:34

Endless Mike: Aug 13, 2003

Random Stranger posted:

Nice of Magneto to not remove the claw sheaths when he was yanking the rest of the metal out of Wolverine.

That's because they're part of his gloves

# ? Jul 14, 2021 14:05

goatface: Dec 5, 2007; I had a video of that when I was about 6.

I remember it being shit.; Grimey Drawer

They're just metalised plastic, he wasn't interested in aluminium.

# ? Jul 14, 2021 14:48

BiggerBoat: Sep 26, 2007; Don't you tell me my business again.

goatface posted:

They're just metalised plastic, he wasn't interested in aluminium.

Plastic doesn't make any sense. Logan would tear right through those. Magneto probably just left them there to gently caress with him.

I posted that picture because when I first looked at it, all I could see was a balding on top freak with a weird sort of mutated melting face and a big nose, plus a post it note taped to his forehead or under his skin. But I guess all those EXTREME 90's horizontal hatches are supposed to suggest form in a way that's clearly the underside of a neck.

Adding more lines = better.

Sincerely,
The 90's

# ? Jul 14, 2021 23:21

Ragle Gumm: Jun 14, 2020

What's the deal with his mane? '90s look, or part of the post-trauma regeneration?

# ? Jul 14, 2021 23:33

Push El Burrito: May 9, 2006; Soiled Meat

Wasn't that when he was getting hairier and more feral which means his nose disappears?

# ? Jul 14, 2021 23:35

Keromaru5: Dec 28, 2012; Pictured: The Wolf Of Gubbio (probably)

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Push El Burrito posted:

Wasn't that when he was getting hairier and more feral which means his nose disappears?

I think that was later. But not by much.

# ? Jul 15, 2021 02:26

Splint Chesthair: Dec 27, 2004

Ragle Gumm posted:

What's the deal with his mane? '90s look, or part of the post-trauma regeneration?

Logan's hair was getting progressively more and more extreme until Hugh Jackman made it okay for artists to tone it down. In the 90s it was often hard to imagine him being able to walk through a doorway.

# ? Jul 15, 2021 17:03

X-O: Apr 28, 2002; Long Live The King!

Splint Chesthair posted:

Logan's hair was getting progressively more and more extreme until Hugh Jackman made it okay for artists to tone it down. In the 90s it was often hard to imagine him being able to walk through a doorway.

Numerous covers of Marvel Comics Presents by Sam Keith with Logan looking like a reindeer just went flashing through my head.

# ? Jul 15, 2021 17:05

Splint Chesthair: Dec 27, 2004

X-O posted:

Numerous covers of Marvel Comics Presents by Sam Keith with Logan looking like a reindeer just went flashing through my head.

Sam Keith would have made him look like that anyway, to be fair. Even if you commissioned him to draw a picture of Hugh Jackman the actual human being, he would give him those insane hair wings.

# ? Jul 15, 2021 17:17

BiggerBoat: Sep 26, 2007; Don't you tell me my business again.

Ragle Gumm posted:

What's the deal with his mane? '90s look, or part of the post-trauma regeneration?

EXTREME Wolverine!!!

I mean even more than usual

There's a documentary on Amazon Prime about Christ Claremont I can recommend and it touches on how in the 90's the new wave of artists (Liefeld, Lee, etc.) basically took over the writing by refusing to draw the stories that Claremont wrote. It's about an hour long and I enjoed it well enough.

Say what you will about Claremont (I've heard he's problematic) but Marvel really hosed him over if you ask me after 15 years of taking a nothing comic and making it into Marvel's lynch pin title.

# ? Jul 16, 2021 00:57

Android Blues: Nov 22, 2008

Claremont has his ups and downs but I wouldn't really say "problematic". His work is extremely horny, but typically not in a bad way. It's more just like, the X-Men will get turned into dragons or babies at a higher rate of frequency than you might normally expect.

He's also essentially the cornerstone of the entire X-Men canon after the early 70s. His run on Uncanny is what almost all modern X-Men stories are built on, and it holds up very well to a modern reader.

# ? Jul 16, 2021 02:43

Push El Burrito: May 9, 2006; Soiled Meat

He did have that problem where he forgot comic books are a visual medium so he would write people saying what they were doing at all times.

# ? Jul 16, 2021 03:07

Android Blues: Nov 22, 2008

I think that's modality of the times as much as anything else. Decompression and minimal narration are popular now, but they aren't necessarily better than having lots of words on the page.

Claremont could over-egg the narration (and in his 90s and 2000s era returns to the property, he often did) but usually it was an effective tool for telling a complicated story in a short span of time. He turned the X-Men into a melodrama, something it's thrived on being ever since, and he did that in large part through overwrought thought bubbles and narration boxes, describing the inner lives of the cast, peppered all over the book.

The "Wolverine leaping, claws extended, while speaking three paragraphs" thing isn't really Claremont so much, more the early 90s heirs to the X-Men who took over from him when he left. He definitely did it sometimes, but it wasn't as frequent as it became.

# ? Jul 16, 2021 03:47