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morestuff posted:So who's the obvious dud in this year's lotto? Mitchell
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ButtWolf posted:Anything to suggest either of these 2 unicorns will break apart? Sub 200 lbs is scary to me. Enticing for drat sure though. I'd still take Cade, only for that reason though. "7 foot 16 year old needs to add weight" is very boring and obvious analysis, almost everyone that age is skinny. They'll get bigger naturally as they age and especially when they're in a real strength program. Look at what Kevin Durant looked like as a teenager compared to now morestuff posted:So who's the obvious dud in this year's lotto? Mitchell and Kispert are the ones who make the least sense to me as lottery picks but I think both will probably be fine. If you mean best chance to be outright bad then probably Kuminga, Barnes, or Keon Johnson
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Metapod posted:That's the beauty of this draft everyone in the lottery seems to have something that could be awesome and something that looks absolutely crippling Every draft should be obligated to have some four-year stiff that made a Final Four run and gets drafted top 10 on "intangibles" MourningView posted:"7 foot 16 year old needs to add weight" is very boring and obvious analysis, almost everyone that age is skinny. They'll get bigger naturally as they age and especially when they're in a real strength program. Look at what Kevin Durant looked like as a teenager compared to now Those last three basically the upside guys?
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Jul 7, 2021 18:28
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Metapod posted:That's the beauty of this draft everyone in the lottery seems to have something that could be awesome and something that looks absolutely crippling Would be very surprised if Cade and Mobley were not at least some degree of good to very good but otherwise yeah I guess. There's definite degrees of risk though
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Jul 7, 2021 18:30
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morestuff posted:Every draft should be obligated to have some four-year stiff that made a Final Four run and gets drafted top 10 on "intangibles" Barnes has some very obvious NBA skills right now to go with the giant scoring question marks but yeah, Kuminga is mostly riding on his frame and occasional flashes as a scorer and Keon is an all time freak athlete.
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Jul 7, 2021 18:33
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People keep mocking Keon to the Kings and so I guess I gotta talk myself into seeing some really sick Haliburton to Keon dunks
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Jul 7, 2021 18:38
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morestuff posted:So who's the obvious dud in this year's lotto? Yeah, there isn't anyone in this draft at the moment who seems completely out of place for their draft position. Everyone mocked in the lottery clearly has a path to being a good NBA player, you dont have a lot of hyper athletic long wings with no appreciable skills.
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Jul 7, 2021 18:39
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I've seen Kispert mocked to Charlotte a couple times, who makes some sense as a backup/heir to Hayward, but I don't know if I could handle it
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Jul 7, 2021 18:42
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morestuff posted:So who's the obvious dud in this year's lotto? morestuff posted:So who's the obvious dud in this year's lotto? Dealer’s choice. If scottie barnes cant shoot his whole offensive game might be zero.If Kuminga is asked to be a high usage scorer, he could look swamped.l Edit sorry didn’t see all the posts following call phone posting
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Jul 7, 2021 18:47
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morestuff posted:I've seen Kispert mocked to Charlotte a couple times, who makes some sense as a backup/heir to Hayward, but I don't know if I could handle it Other than being white I don't think he's all that comparable to Hayward. You can actually run offense through Hayward, Kispert is purely a complementary guy.
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Jul 7, 2021 18:49
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MourningView posted:Other than being white I don't think he's all that comparable to Hayward. You can actually run offense through Hayward, Kispert is purely a complementary guy. Just meant positionally
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Jul 7, 2021 18:52
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morestuff posted:So who's the obvious dud in this year's lotto? Gonna go out on a limb and say Bouknight here, which was a hot take I had a couple pages back. I think he's gonna go way too high for a guard with an inconsistent 3pt shot. Probably not an obvious dud, but I think we're gonna look back at him in a year or two and wonder why he was a lotto pick.
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Jul 7, 2021 19:19
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I like Bouknight a lot as a primary guy off the bench
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Jul 7, 2021 19:22
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Papes posted:I like Bouknight a lot as a primary guy off the bench Yeah me too, but you're not drafting for that in the top 10, which it looks like is where he's gonna go. If he were a late first rounder, it would be perfect. Real problem with him is that he's got a real low floor too. If his 3pt shot doesn't significantly develop, he could straight up not get his rookie option picked up, and that's a hell of a thing for a top 10 pick.
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Jul 7, 2021 19:27
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6th man is a pretty reasonable 5 years in floor for Bouknight, if you're drafting someone 6th overall you're hoping he's a starter, that his jumper comes along and that he becomes an acceptable positional defender. He does have some elite skills now. He's a bucket boy and growing into a bucket man
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Fine I'll throw a hot take out there. I think Davion is going to be way overdrafted and has a good chance of busting. Him, Bouknight and Kuminga are the red flags in the lottery to me.
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Jul 7, 2021 20:44
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Mitchell, Kispert, and Kai Jones set off alarms, based on what I hear them described as.
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Jul 7, 2021 21:19
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i assume anyone from gonzaga will bust. karma for producing john stockton edit: im still salty about adam morrison. he beat okstate back to back in 2004 and 2005, and i was at the first game Think Less fucked around with this message at 21:33 on Jul 7, 2021 |
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Jul 7, 2021 21:26
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Kirios posted:Fine I'll throw a hot take out there. I think Davion is going to be way overdrafted and has a good chance of busting. Him, Bouknight and Kuminga are the red flags in the lottery to me. those are all pretty conventional takes
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Jul 7, 2021 21:27
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Is Mitchell is danger of outright busting? I thought the land mine with him was spending a top 10 pick on Delon Wright.
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Jul 7, 2021 21:28
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Oh yeah Kai Jones is another one with pretty high bust potential, although I think he's a decent risk late lottery. To me taking a swing on someone like that with elite tools who flashes special shooting and creation potential for his size makes a lot more sense than Mitchell as a lottery pick even if Mitchell is probably less likely to fall out of the league entirely (though there is a chance of that if the shot isn't real). Mitchell also fills the role of "guy who suddenly jumped 20+ spots because of the tournament" which has generally not played out well.
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Jul 7, 2021 21:29
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Hand Knit posted:Is Mitchell is danger of outright busting? I thought the land mine with him was spending a top 10 pick on Delon Wright. big problem with mitchell is if he can’t shoot, then he’s a short eric snow, and there’s more evidence pointing towards him not being able to shoot than him being able to shoot
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Jul 7, 2021 21:32
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Hand Knit posted:Is Mitchell is danger of outright busting? I thought the land mine with him was spending a top 10 pick on Delon Wright. If the shot regresses and he can't score it's pretty hard to find consistent work in the NBA as a 6'1" defensive specialist. I guess Kris Dunn has a job but he is also pretty clearly a bust.
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Jul 7, 2021 21:33
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Jul 7, 2021 21:37
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MourningView posted:If the shot regresses and he can't score it's pretty hard to find consistent work in the NBA as a 6'1" defensive specialist. I guess Kris Dunn has a job but he is also pretty clearly a bust. yeah, someone's floor is only meaningful if the floor is "decent rotation player" or higher, and i dunno if id say that about anyone in this draft but cade and probably mobley in light of that, swing for the fences and go with the guy who has the best upside. so bad they're not getting their rookie option picked up and end of bench guy who plays mostly garbage time is a distinction without a difference
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Jul 7, 2021 21:51
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https://twitter.com/JonRothstein/status/1412874436269817861?s=19 Another wing I liked in that late/first early second range going back. He has the potential to go pretty high next year, I think, especially if he transfers somewhere with an actual offense.
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Jul 7, 2021 22:05
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his dad probably saw he was mocked around Sacramento’s second round pick and told him to go back
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Jul 7, 2021 22:08
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Honestly a good call. Go back, hit the gym hard and try to boost up enough to get a guaranteed contract. Unless there's some dire family situation where they need to start making cash right now, no reason to be a second round one-and-done.
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Jul 7, 2021 22:33
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I do wonder if the NIL stuff will affect the number of players declaring or staying in school. I'm guessing they'll basically be getting the same amount of money, just out in the open, but who knows
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Jul 7, 2021 22:48
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morestuff posted:I do wonder if the NIL stuff will affect the number of players declaring or staying in school. I'm guessing they'll basically be getting the same amount of money, just out in the open, but who knows A couple guys like Hunter Dickinson have mentioned it but it's been guys who weren't guaranteed to get drafted. Might be a bigger thing next year once there has been a year of guys actually making NIL money.
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Jul 7, 2021 23:05
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https://twitter.com/Sam_Vecenie/status/1412895869511225348?s=19 Looks like Terrance Shannon is also going back, my 27-37 tier is in tatters
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Jul 7, 2021 23:10
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Azathoth posted:Honestly a good call. Go back, hit the gym hard and try to boost up enough to get a guaranteed contract. well his brother is probably not going to have a job much longer
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Jul 7, 2021 23:25
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MourningView posted:https://twitter.com/JonRothstein/status/1412874436269817861?s=19 Without injury and depending on guys next year having those breakout / crazy jump seasons, I feel like he is looking like a late lottery pick.
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Jul 7, 2021 23:40
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WhyteRyce posted:well his brother is probably not going to have a job much longer lol was originally just gonna say no reason to ever be a second round one and done, but then realized there are. should have just modified it to be there's no reason for him not to go back
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Jul 7, 2021 23:42
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Next year's draft is kinda a meh draft I get anyone going back.
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Do you all think Jalen Green will be able to pull off the "Yeah you're in a defensive stance, you're waiting for me, you're watching me-- oh poo poo now somehow I just ran past you and I'm dunking" thing in the NBA? Cade always seems kind of worn down, looks like he doesn't sleep. I think he needs to start eating animal protein. Needs those aminos and copper/iron cofactors only found in meat. This veganism isn't explosive enough. This is going to be my go to if he struggles. Most vegan diets are pro inflammatory. From watching a few interviews, I really like the way Cade talks about other players. He sounds like a QB. He's not a ha ha mealy mouthed guy. Dejan Bimble fucked around with this message at 01:28 on Jul 8, 2021 |
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Dejan Bimble posted:Cade always seems kind of worn down, looks like he doesn't sleep. I think he needs to start eating animal protein. Needs those aminos and copper/iron cofactors only found in meat. This veganism isn't explosive enough. Ok skip
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Hand Knit posted:Is Mitchell is danger of outright busting? I thought the land mine with him was spending a top 10 pick on Delon Wright. Delon Wright is about four or five inches taller. Mitchell has a longer wingspan relative to his height, but it's still a couple inches less than Delon's. Mitchell is quite a bit heavier than Delon was coming out of college, so he has some strength to toss around, and probably (?!) more Athleticism. Wright's more of a body control, balance, spacing, and tempo guy that I admit to having a bias toward. (The type of guys that seem nonathletic at first glance because of low explosiveness, but wind up doing things on the court that other players literally can't) Mitchell seems to be a very good individual defender, while Wright is an excellent team defender. I don't like this comparison here, because in a vacuum, I'd much rather have Wright. And even saying that, I still wouldn't use a top 10 pick on a guy like him if the draft had any richness of talent. Mitchell screams "potential bust" to me because he's drummed up as an elite defender, but as far as I can tell, he's only going to be able to defend one NBA position reliably. Maybe. Now granted, it's probably the most important one to defend in today's NBA, but the flipside of that thought is that we're seeing more teams willing to run their offense through positional players. I spent about an hour trying to come up with a player with a body and style of play/calling card that's like what Mitchell's seems to be and I settled on Mario Chalmers. I think best case scenario for Mitchell is Mario Chalmers. And, honestly, Chalmers wasn't a bust by any stretch of the imagination. He started the majority of his games, including all of his games on two Heat teams that won the championship. He turned into a very serviceable NBA player that could do big things in his niche. He was also picked 34th which was probably too low for him in hindsight. I think I like Mitchell somewhere between his projection and 34th.
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Dejan Bimble posted:Do you all think Jalen Green will be able to pull off the "Yeah you're in a defensive stance, you're waiting for me, you're watching me-- oh poo poo now somehow I just ran past you and I'm dunking" thing in the NBA? If he appears worn down, it's because he was having to carry a really, really bad team. The fact that okstate had a winning record is solely due to him. He had no help
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