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Aren't Camrys also much more affordable? Audis are expensive.
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Jul 7, 2021 22:43
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fawning deference posted:Aren't Camrys also much more affordable? Audis are expensive. Yes, there are a bunch of things Camry is better at on paper than the A4 / 3 Series, including being more affordable. I am asking what the A4 / 3 Series do better. Maybe a little bit more power, but the Camry is 200+ HP turbo 4 popper. Chassis / suspension setup, AWD potential too I guess. I am trying to understand the value prop for A4 / 3 Series that would justify a higher price tag.
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Jul 7, 2021 22:44
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Inner Light posted:Yes, there are a bunch of things Camry is better at on paper than the A4 / 3 Series, including being more affordable. I am asking what the A4 / 3 Series do better. Maybe a little bit more power, but the Camry is 200+ HP turbo 4 popper. Chassis / suspension setup, AWD potential too I guess. Why don’t you go drive them both and let us know your thoughts? This is a really subjective thing. Your default position is discounting the things you admit Audi does better like power and interior quality so there isn’t really any reason for you to buy an Audi if those things aren’t compelling to you. Murgos fucked around with this message at 23:02 on Jul 7, 2021 |
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Jul 7, 2021 23:00
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ya i mean i would avoid the camry for the handling alone - it's decent, a lot more competent than the predecessors, but you're never going to mistake it for a fun to drive car on the other hand you're pretty unlikely to mistake a 320i for a fun to drive car
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Jul 7, 2021 23:09
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A lot of the Camry's come with a 300hp V6 which is somewhat compelling in the XSE, but not enough that I would ever buy one. I am not sure how the automatic is on the Camry, but the Audi will definitely have it beat there I am sure. I would like to drive one and see how it is though.
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Jul 7, 2021 23:34
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Inner Light posted:Yes, there are a bunch of things Camry is better at on paper than the A4 / 3 Series, including being more affordable. I am asking what the A4 / 3 Series do better. Maybe a little bit more power, but the Camry is 200+ HP turbo 4 popper. Chassis / suspension setup, AWD potential too I guess. Better chassis, better ride, nicer interior and a quieter ride. Luxury car makers add tons of sound deadening. Everyone shits on BMW for adding artificial sound (and they should) but the sound isolation in the new cars is so good you really wouldn’t hear much without it, at least with the windows up. The basic problem with a tarted up Camry is that it shares a whole lot with a $199/month - no down payment lease special Camry and there’s no amount of adding options tech and horsepower that fundamentally fixes that. It’s a great car, the TRD model is pretty fun but it makes compromises so that it’s profitable to build at a low price point. Personally, in my opinion, you’re almost always better off buying an entry level luxury car than an optioned to the tits cheaper model both in terms of enjoyability and resale.
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Jul 7, 2021 23:41
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The hybrid Camry is much better than the V6 IMO - plenty powerful enough for that chassis
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Jul 7, 2021 23:42
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kronix posted:Better chassis, better ride, nicer interior and a quieter ride. Luxury car makers add tons of sound deadening. Everyone shits on BMW for adding artificial sound (and they should) but the sound isolation in the new cars is so good you really wouldn’t hear much without it, at least with the windows up. I guess the TRD Camry has potential tho if Toyota really wanted to "compete", Savagegeese reviewed it and said if it had a real mechanical LSD it would be a legit fun car to drive. I don't know if an aftermarket LSD is possible or in the works, and if Toyota picked up on poo poo like that to make the car better they could possibly have a hit with the TRD but I don't see it happening.
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Jul 7, 2021 23:53
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Murgos posted:Why don’t you go drive them both and let us know your thoughts? This is a really subjective thing. I gotta echo this. Lots of cars look fantastic on paper, but when you drive them they just fall short of expectations. Like the new Acura TLX Type-S coming out. Looks absolutely amazing on paper. An Acura that's almost an M340 or Audi S4, but with Honda reliability and running costs? Sign me up right? Then I watched Doug's review and it just killed my excitement for the car. I remember being excited for the Fusion Sport to finally come out, and it just didn't live up to expectations.
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Jul 7, 2021 23:55
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Inner Light posted:Just saw a new Camry rolling by and it continues to be a compelling as hell vehicle in the dying sedan world. I've bought two new Camrys (an 07 and a 12) and didn't regret either (though I did regret getting black on a daily driver in Nevada for the 2012). I briefly tried to talk my wife into getting an A4 just because of the interior and AWD. I would have tried harder but I would have gotten blamed for every mechanical problem for the next decade.
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Jul 7, 2021 23:57
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Murgos posted:Why don’t you go drive them both and let us know your thoughts? This is a really subjective thing. And also a V6 Camry has more HP than an A4.
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Jul 8, 2021 00:02
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bird with big dick posted:And also a V6 Camry has more HP than an A4. There you go them. Get that.
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Jul 8, 2021 00:26
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kronix posted:Better chassis, better ride, nicer interior and a quieter ride. Luxury car makers add tons of sound deadening. Everyone shits on BMW for adding artificial sound (and they should) but the sound isolation in the new cars is so good you really wouldn’t hear much without it, at least with the windows up. Those "luxury" cars are no more than taxis in their home country and to be honest esp these days a Camry is in fact everything the "luxury" car makers try to make out their cheaper models in export markets to be. Camrys are certainly better built for starters. You need to pay for the actual decent handling and luxury, which Toyota does with Lexus. quote:Then I watched Doug's review The problem isnt the car, it's the reviewer. Do not watch Demuro for any reason, go see if there's a Savagegeese review for the truth of the car
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Jul 8, 2021 00:30
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Murgos posted:There you go them. Get that. I don't want either of them I want a C43 AMG Coupe.
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Jul 8, 2021 00:37
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CAT INTERCEPTOR posted:Those "luxury" cars are no more than taxis in their home country and to be honest esp these days a Camry is in fact everything the "luxury" car makers try to make out their cheaper models in export markets to be. Camrys are certainly better built for starters. Forget Camrys - the big Skoda is nicer than any of the lower end Audis anyway. As someone who appreciates a big sedan I'm kinda jealous of the options that are available in the US market - here in NZ there is no Sonata/whatever the Kia equivalent is, no Accord, no Legacy, no Passat just the hybrid Camry, Mazda 6 and Skoda Superb left in the non-insane price bracket (I guess the Tesla Model 3 too but that's a bit smaller)
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Jul 8, 2021 01:02
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CAT INTERCEPTOR posted:The problem isnt the car, it's the reviewer. Do not watch Demuro for any reason, go see if there's a Savagegeese review for the truth of the car Basically the only channel I watch, but I don't care about his Driving segments because they're so... Shallow? Not sure what the word is. But I find his in-and-out review style far more entertaining than most reviewers who just drive a car, force some laughs and say it's pretty good. I find day to day usability far more interesting than "how fast is it" kind of reviews because I'm never gonna track anything
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Jul 8, 2021 01:09
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dissss posted:Forget Camrys - the big Skoda is nicer than any of the lower end Audis anyway. But in NZ we do get millions of cheap second-hand JDM imports... not much help though if you want a new or fairly low mileage car though.
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Jul 8, 2021 01:16
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Blackhawk posted:But in NZ we do get millions of cheap second-hand JDM imports... not much help though if you want a new or fairly low mileage car though. Sure but I don't think they do any of those models in Japan either these days. Then again I guess a lot of what I like about my current Sonata is how much it had depreciated by the time I bought it which is a pretty good argument for not buying a brand new one.
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Jul 8, 2021 01:33
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Sab669 posted:Basically the only channel I watch, but I don't care about his Driving segments because they're so... Shallow? Not sure what the word is. Same here basically, plus that I cannot stand Savagegeese.
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Jul 8, 2021 01:44
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Neo_Crimson posted:Same here basically, plus that I cannot stand Savagegeese. Same.
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Jul 8, 2021 01:52
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kronix posted:
I think this is 100% accurate but it applies to the actual luxury car maker as well, BMW makes plenty of mediocre cars at the low end of their model range at a price point where a loaded Honda is going to be better. Once you get into 3/5 series territory the approach makes sense.
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Jul 8, 2021 02:09
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Neo_Crimson posted:Same here basically, plus that I cannot stand Savagegeese. But why? I watch both happily
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Jul 8, 2021 02:36
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I dunno, it wasn't so long ago that BMW did a three cylinder 3 series with greasy vinyls seats.
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Jul 8, 2021 02:38
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I don't dislike SavageGeese, I do find his videos informative and if it's a car I'm interested in I'll watch his videos because I think his on-the-lift breakdowns are interesting. But like I would never in a million years care what he thinks about all the CUVs on the market that he reviews. I just need to eat a couple Valiums to get down to his energy level. And don't get me wrong, I generally hate the "SUP INTERNETS, IT'S UR BOY XXWEED420XX WITH ANOTHER HOT VIDEO" youtuber persona schtick, but he's just SO mellow. Doug at least seems like he's having fun most of his videos.
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Jul 8, 2021 02:41
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bird with big dick posted:And also a V6 Camry has more HP than an A4. Stop! Don’t listen to this guy. I have driven both vehicles and the A4 is a much more compelling product if you’re willing to overlook the probability of poor reliability. Though even that might not be an issue anymore as Audi has climbed the reliability rankings and is comparable to some of the less reliable Japanese brands like Honda or Mazda. It depends on what you’re looking for. Lower tier Camrys are still the cheap beige boxes they’ve always been. An upper trim V6 XSE or XLE has a near luxury, Lexus quality to it. It’ll ride soft and it will accelerate reasonably well but that’s all you get. You are paying for a reasonably priced appliance. It’s not even reasonably priced anymore. In Canada a V6 costs almost 50k after taxes. You’re only a few grand shy of an entry level luxury car that’ll make you much happier. Or alternatively if you don’t care for luxury you can get a hot deal on a Kia Stinger and it would serve you better than the Camry. The transmission will hold back that V6 from realizing it’s potential and to really get any benefit out of it you need a Lexus IS350 which is too expensive and completely underpowered compared to an M340 or equivalent. So on paper, yes the Camry has more HP than a turbo 4cyl Audi. But you’ll feel the Audi’s power in your seat because it has better torque and is better able to send that power to the wheels in ways the Camry cannot. If you care about driving dynamics I’d take an A4 over a Camry. The Camry will be fun for you if you never had a V6 before and once the novelty wears off you won’t feel any different than you would if you drove a cheaper Camry or another car. Then you’ll start wondering about that A4 again. TLDR: the Camry is reliable, cheap to run, and is the best equipped and performing Camry ever sold by Toyota. But at the end of the day it’s still the same old Camry it’s always been, just better. An Audi A4 will have better luxury features and you’ll immediately feel them. It’s the poo poo they don’t tell you about like how your door mirrors dim in the night automatically and keep you from being blasted by high beams. It’s also the smoothness of the ride, the way it feels like it’s on rails if you gun it down an on ramp. It’s better than the Camry from a luxury and driving perspective.
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Jul 8, 2021 02:43
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got off on a technicality posted:But why? I watch both happily He and Doug are inverse on energy and both off the charts on smug. SG is only watchable for his excellent video footage, which puts many professionals to shame.
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Jul 8, 2021 02:49
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got off on a technicality posted:But why? I watch both happily I understand why people don't like Savagegeese because of their presenting attitude - ti doesnt work for me mostly either. For actually knowing about what makes for a good car and be willing to poo poo on any marquee with a resonable opinion, that cant be faulted and hearing someone concisely explain why they don't like something is refreshing. But as said, I get it why some people wont watch and if you are actually interested in finding out the truth of a car, putting up with their obnoxious "Did I tread in some cow poo poo?" tone is worth it. Demuro to me is an annoying agressively boring clown with verbal vomit issues that hasn't got a clue what he's talking about. Video version of the clickbait low info crap that passes for automotive blogs these days with no redeeming features that I'd be more embarrassed to be caught watching than tentacle porn.
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Jul 8, 2021 02:53
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but how do you really feel? Weird comparing the A4 to a Camry. They're not in the same size class right? It should be compared to the Corolla, or A6 <-> Camry. I guess if you're shopping purely on price. The compact cars feel too small to me and I'm not even 6' For informative car reviews, I like Alex on Auto. He also seems like a cool guy. MeruFM fucked around with this message at 03:01 on Jul 8, 2021 |
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Jul 8, 2021 02:56
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MeruFM posted:but how do you really feel? Yeah I'm 6'4" and my hair brushes on the ceiling of the A4 with the seat all the way down. Out of all the cars in that particular class I like the new 3 series best. If I had the money I'd have already put down a deposit on an M340i or better yet an M3. The G20 3-Series is a very good car and I maintain it's probably the best new luxury sedan you can get in that category. Nevermind that it's now about the size of what the 5 Series used to be.
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Jul 8, 2021 03:01
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MeruFM posted:Weird comparing the A4 to a Camry. They're not in the same size class right? It should be compared to the Corolla, or A6 <-> Camry. I guess if you're shopping purely on price. The compact cars feel too small to me and I'm not even 6' Packaging has more to do with how a car feels than exterior size - something like a Fusion is giant on the outside but feels cramped internally.
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Jul 8, 2021 04:11
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Inner Light posted:Yes, there are a bunch of things Camry is better at on paper than the A4 / 3 Series, including being more affordable. I am asking what the A4 / 3 Series do better. Maybe a little bit more power, but the Camry is 200+ HP turbo 4 popper. Chassis / suspension setup, AWD potential too I guess. You get to be a snob
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Jul 8, 2021 04:17
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Inner Light posted:Yes, there are a bunch of things Camry is better at on paper than the A4 / 3 Series, including being more affordable. I am asking what the A4 / 3 Series do better. Maybe a little bit more power, but the Camry is 200+ HP turbo 4 popper. Chassis / suspension setup, AWD potential too I guess. The Camry doesn't have a turbo, and can also be had with AWD.
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Jul 8, 2021 04:19
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Charles posted:You get to be a snob Also I'm being 100% serious about this.
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Jul 8, 2021 04:29
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skipdogg posted:I remember being excited for the Fusion Sport to finally come out, and it just didn't live up to expectations. Me too. This one hurt. It seemed like it had everything I was after on paper. I remember being pretty excited still as they started showing up, even as the reviews started coming in. I finally got to drive one, and it was just...fine I guess, but nothing to write home about or ever need to list after or purchase. Seems Ford did something similar with the Edge ST as well. I don't think I've ever seen someone recommend it over ths competition or say that it surprised them in a good way after a drive. This leads to my current infatuation. Don't loving break my heart upcoming GENESIS GV70 3.5 sport.
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Jul 8, 2021 06:44
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Why do you want a "performance" version of the GV70 when the G70 exists and is cheaper?
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Jul 8, 2021 08:01
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Demuro is literally the Gilbert Gottfried of car reviewers.
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Jul 8, 2021 10:53
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bird with big dick posted:I don't want either of them I want a C43 AMG Coupe. I’ve driven my wife’s parents Camry a ton and it’s a fine car but it’s not like you think about wanting to drive it. I drove an A5 SB and was underwhelmed because it wasn’t enough more for the price. I also drove a GLC 300 and liked it a lot. However, I ended up in a previous model year S4 prestige because it was just that much more engaging and fun and nice to drive with a discount that put it in A4/A5 pricing and honestly not much more than the top trim Camry. You only live once and if it’s important to you to enjoy driving I would go check out the C43/S4/340i and even the G70 or Lexus or etc…
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Jul 8, 2021 12:44
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Franco Caution posted:Me too. This one hurt. When the new Pontiac GTO came out people made it seem like it was an amazing rocket ship, and when drove one I was expecting to be blown away and was pretty disappointed at how much of a bland car it was. Didn't really seem that fast to me at all.
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Jul 8, 2021 12:55
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KillHour posted:Why do you want a "performance" version of the GV70 when the G70 exists and is cheaper? The G70's rear seat and trunk suck if you have to use either of them regularly
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Throatwarbler posted:The Camry doesn't have a turbo, and can also be had with AWD. I don't know why I thought this, I must have read the inline Google result things that are often out of context / wrong. Thanks for the correction. Charles posted:You get to be a snob Already there with you!
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