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Azathoth
Apr 3, 2001

Lockback posted:

Right now owners would make a lot more money on expansion instead. Which if Arod/Lore really wanted a team in Seattle would have seemed easier just to try to get that. But I'm not super confident in them staying either.

Yeah, that's what I keep telling myself. There's no compelling reason for them to move the Timberwolves but I can't shake the feeling that the owners are up to something. Probably a complex from when Norm Green moved the North Stars and from Carl Pohlad's attempt to contract the Twins.

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Alfred P. Pseudonym
May 29, 2006

And when you gaze long into an abyss, the abyss goes 8-8

Oh god I didn’t realize Josh Richardson had a player option for next season :negative:

Ammanas
Jul 17, 2005

Voltes V: "Laser swooooooooord!"
wouldnt the relocation fee be onerous to the new ownership group i.e. theyre already overleveraged to complete the purchase and cant afford it

hifi
Jul 25, 2012

Ammanas posted:

wouldnt the relocation fee be onerous to the new ownership group i.e. theyre already overleveraged to complete the purchase and cant afford it

i don't know anything but i assume they move the team to seattle and the team value quadruples and suddenly they are underleveraged

Rick
Feb 23, 2004
When I was 17, my father was so stupid, I didn't want to be seen with him in public. When I was 24, I was amazed at how much the old man had learned in just 7 years.

Ammanas posted:

wouldnt the relocation fee be onerous to the new ownership group i.e. theyre already overleveraged to complete the purchase and cant afford it

Probably, this makes sense. Especially since the NBA requires a certain level of liquidity.

Ammanas
Jul 17, 2005

Voltes V: "Laser swooooooooord!"

hifi posted:

i don't know anything but i assume they move the team to seattle and the team value quadruples and suddenly they are underleveraged

i mean they still have to pay their bills
unless the whole thing is big flip operation and theyre gonna sell 4 years after moving

Lockback
Sep 3, 2006

All days are nights to see till I see thee; and nights bright days when dreams do show me thee.

Ammanas posted:

i mean they still have to pay their bills
unless the whole thing is big flip operation and theyre gonna sell 4 years after moving

If you suddenly have an asset worth a ton more you can get loans on it pretty easy.

But that asset being worth a ton more is all the more reason other owners would rather just sell a new franchise than charge a cheaper relocation fee.

morestuff
Aug 2, 2008

You can't stop what's coming
The league’s only moved one team in the last 20 years and that was such a black eye for them that I think they’ve mostly lost their taste for it

Lockback
Sep 3, 2006

All days are nights to see till I see thee; and nights bright days when dreams do show me thee.

morestuff posted:

The league’s only moved one team in the last 20 years and that was such a black eye for them that I think they’ve mostly lost their taste for it

Kings almost got moved. But I think if Seattle gets taken off the table due to expansion there isn't an obvious place to move. Not that OKC was such an obvious place I guess.

cisneros
Apr 18, 2006

Rick posted:

Probably, this makes sense. Especially since the NBA requires a certain level of liquidity.

Wasn’t that proven to be just words by that broke Rockets owner

abelwingnut
Dec 23, 2002


Lockback posted:

Kings almost got moved. But I think if Seattle gets taken off the table due to expansion there isn't an obvious place to move. Not that OKC was such an obvious place I guess.

vegas seems like an obvious place if seatle's out. hell, even if seattle's in the running, i can see the case for vegas over seattle.

morestuff
Aug 2, 2008

You can't stop what's coming

Lockback posted:

Kings almost got moved. But I think if Seattle gets taken off the table due to expansion there isn't an obvious place to move. Not that OKC was such an obvious place I guess.

Yeah, but the league ultimately voted against it

Ghost Dog
Aug 17, 2016

seattle really doesnt deserve another team

Metapod
Mar 18, 2012
A black eye for the heart of the league was a good trade

DC Murderverse
Nov 10, 2016

"Tell that to Zod's snapped neck!"

morestuff posted:

The league’s only moved one team in the last 20 years and that was such a black eye for them that I think they’ve mostly lost their taste for it

Technically two, next year is the 20th anniversary of Charlotte briefly losing their team to New Orleans.

Maybe if they move the TWolves they can just put a new team there that isn’t cursed by the spirits of Malik Sealy and Eddie Griffin

OzFactor
Apr 16, 2001
So, I figured by now there'd be a separate Olympics forum like there always has been, but has anyone figured out how they're going to watch all the basketball games? Am I going to have to pay NBC some for some weird streaming thing? I want to watch all of Nigeria's path to the gold medal.

Rick
Feb 23, 2004
When I was 17, my father was so stupid, I didn't want to be seen with him in public. When I was 24, I was amazed at how much the old man had learned in just 7 years.

cisneros posted:

Wasn’t that proven to be just words by that broke Rockets owner

Didn't he have to take what was basically the equivalent of a billion dollar payday loan to make his first NBA payment? You could be right though.

Azathoth
Apr 3, 2001

abelwingnut posted:

vegas seems like an obvious place if seatle's out. hell, even if seattle's in the running, i can see the case for vegas over seattle.

Of the places that don't have an NBA team and are at least an hour from a city that has one, Seattle is the 15th largest by the government Metropolitan Statical Area metric, and after that, San Diego is at 17, Tampa at 18, St. Louis at 20, Baltimore at 21, Las Vegas at 27.

San Diego, Tampa, and Baltimore are way too close to existing franchises for that to fly, so Seattle and Las Vegas are really the best options for places that don't have a team nearby.

After that, you're looking at cities in states that already have a team like Austin (29) or Pittsburgh (28) or Columbus (32) or cities in smaller states like Hartford (48) but by that point, you're at MSAs half the size of Las Vegas.

From a sheer population perspective, it's incredible that Seattle doesn't have a team. Vegas is becoming increasingly weird, just because of how fast the population there has grown. Another decade and it'll look downright ridiculous.

FUCK COREY PERRY
Apr 19, 2008



Vancouver exists, give them a team

Ammanas
Jul 17, 2005

Voltes V: "Laser swooooooooord!"
In another decade the complete absence of potable water across the western United States will turn Vegas into a ghost town

Spacebump
Dec 24, 2003

Dallas Mavericks: Generations
Look at all these people forgetting Mexico City exists and has a G League team.

Lockback
Sep 3, 2006

All days are nights to see till I see thee; and nights bright days when dreams do show me thee.
Vegas has a weird vibe of a lot of people from out-of-state and such. Seattle seems like such a huge #1 to me.

KC/St Louis is another interesting one. By themselves they aren't that big but they aren't all that far from each other. There was a plan floating around a while ago with a split-home location where half the games would be in KC, the other have it StL.

Ammanas posted:

In another decade the complete absence of potable water across the western United States will turn Vegas into a ghost town

And MN will be a bastion of us water-wealthy folks.

WhyteRyce
Dec 30, 2001

I’m assuming Vegas has a ton of Lakers fans and it’ll be like a Milwaukee-Chicago relationship

Poque
Sep 11, 2003

=^-^=
Vegas has added two pro franchises in like the past four years and is already flirting with another if the Athletics move.

Dexo
Aug 15, 2009

A city that was to live by night after the wilderness had passed. A city that was to forge out of steel and blood-red neon its own peculiar wilderness.

Lockback posted:

Vegas has a weird vibe of a lot of people from out-of-state and such. Seattle seems like such a huge #1 to me.

KC/St Louis is another interesting one. By themselves they aren't that big but they aren't all that far from each other. There was a plan floating around a while ago with a split-home location where half the games would be in KC, the other have it StL.

And MN will be a bastion of us water-wealthy folks.

If they put a NBA team in STL I might finally be freed of the Bulls(I won't be I'm a sucker) but at least I'd have a shorter drive to watch a game.

Dexo
Aug 15, 2009

A city that was to live by night after the wilderness had passed. A city that was to forge out of steel and blood-red neon its own peculiar wilderness.
Also a good article on Lonzo Ball

https://twitter.com/jackfrank_jjf/status/1417937236876689412

Azathoth
Apr 3, 2001

Lockback posted:

Vegas has a weird vibe of a lot of people from out-of-state and such. Seattle seems like such a huge #1 to me.

KC/St Louis is another interesting one. By themselves they aren't that big but they aren't all that far from each other. There was a plan floating around a while ago with a split-home location where half the games would be in KC, the other have it StL.

And MN will be a bastion of us water-wealthy folks.
Or pick one and call them the Missouri Whatever then do preseason in the other city, maybe play a few home games there and see if they can expand it out into a viable deal with the maintenance on two arenas.

Kansas City in particular seems logical, what with the Jayhawks just across the river. But I dunno how much intrastate rivalry there is and whether folks from St. Louis would buy in.

Paperback Writer
May 1, 2006

Poque posted:

Vegas has added two pro franchises in like the past four years and is already flirting with another if the Athletics move.
:smith:

Bobby Digital
Sep 4, 2009
Let Kansas City and Omaha share a team again

Hot Diggity!
Apr 3, 2010

SKELITON_BRINGING_U_ON.GIF
This is so good

https://www.jsonline.com/story/spor...tle/8034376002/

Bismack Billabongo
Oct 9, 2012

Wet
The people of Missouri do not love ball from what my 21 years here have shown me. I would be pumped to go to some Kansas City Contrarians games though.

NickRoweFillea
Sep 27, 2012

doin thangs
https://twitter.com/goldgiraffes/status/1417848405523632137?s=21

Dejan Bimble
Mar 24, 2008

we're all black friends
Plaster Town Cop
Space jam 2 wasn't bad for a kids movie. I enjoyed the intial toon world sequence. The ip parade was pretty gruesome, hopefully we can break up these entertainment monopolies before too long.

Ramadu
Aug 25, 2004

2015 NFL MVP


the thing im most mad about with the suns losing isn't that they lost its that i cant even hate giannis and the bucks like i was able to jordan. giannis is just too pure

too bad its gonna be another 30 years and ill be dead before the suns have another chance to lose in the finals

Barry Soteriology
Mar 1, 2020
https://twitter.com/paulrdietrich/status/1417950877441306627?s=19

Carlosologist
Oct 13, 2013

Revelry in the Dark

https://twitter.com/unfilteredind/status/1417860818310422529?s=21

I appreciated this because it’s rare that the hot take artists get undressed in public for their stupidity

Dejan Bimble
Mar 24, 2008

we're all black friends
Plaster Town Cop

Carlosologist posted:

https://twitter.com/unfilteredind/status/1417860818310422529?s=21

I appreciated this because it’s rare that the hot take artists get undressed in public for their stupidity

Truly. I've never seen that sort of clip for skip, stephen a, etc. The TNT guys would do it but you never see it for ESPN people

Lockback
Sep 3, 2006

All days are nights to see till I see thee; and nights bright days when dreams do show me thee.
Ayton still had a good series, he just wasn't as dominant. He was 14.7/12 on 53% FG% and 90+% FT (almost 60% TS). With 1.5 steals AND blocks per game. He had a positive +/- per game too.

I mean undress Perk but the Ayton slander is getting to me.

iospace
Jan 19, 2038


Carlosologist posted:

https://twitter.com/unfilteredind/status/1417860818310422529?s=21

I appreciated this because it’s rare that the hot take artists get undressed in public for their stupidity

:vince:

So good.

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Spacebump
Dec 24, 2003

Dallas Mavericks: Generations

Alfred P. Pseudonym posted:

Oh god I didn’t realize Josh Richardson had a player option for next season :negative:

The funniest part is him waiting to take the player option instead of already announcing it.

My tiny hope for him is he never looked the same after covid and maybe an offseason of rest can have him play like he was before contracting the virus. Probably too hopeful but gotta root for something.


It is crazy how many names I’ve seen sites say the Mavs are allegedly interested in signing. My favorite is Nerlens Noel.

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