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gay for gacha posted:These suck. What does your gut say about somber, maerlyn and sandwolf? Wow. No thanks.
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merk posted:
I agree with you here.
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gay for gacha posted:now you have to double down and defend merk all game in case you are scum buddies right? That's not really how I would interact with my scum team. This is on my mind because I just finished a game as scum. In this situation in this game where it is right now I would let merk handle himself and probably ignore him. I take your point, but while it makes sense in a vacuum it's not really how the game is played imo.
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Aug 13, 2021 21:04
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Somberbrero posted:That's not really how I would interact with my scum team. This is on my mind because I just finished a game as scum. In this situation in this game where it is right now I would let merk handle himself and probably ignore him. I take your point, but while it makes sense in a vacuum it's not really how the game is played imo. Would you vote referee?
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Aug 13, 2021 21:06
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Toalpaz posted:This is perhaps the easiest game of mafia I've ever seen. Interesting kill decision from scum.
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Aug 13, 2021 21:06
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merk posted:Before someone goes SCUMM SLIP WE gOT HIM HOW DOES NHE KNOW POOP SIS OSWNTWN AEHRE?!!?!? WE GOT HI!M!!!! - the negative read here doesn't make much sense if poop flips scum. Why would Referee vote me instead of poop and never open the door to vote poop as poop approaches elimination (got to -2)? sounds like someone is a little self-conscious about how they're being perceived...
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Aug 13, 2021 21:07
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gay for gacha posted:Would you vote referee? Yeah for sure, I changed my mind after rereading some. Sometimes scummy behavior isn't different town, it's just scum.
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Aug 13, 2021 21:08
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Somberbrero posted:sounds like someone is a little self-conscious about how they're being perceived... Eh, I keep getting eliminated in games on cases that make no sense. It is starting to get annoying.
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Aug 13, 2021 21:08
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merk would you vote ref?
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Aug 13, 2021 21:08
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I do want to say I think I was wrong about Sandwolf in retrospect.
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Aug 13, 2021 21:08
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gay for gacha posted:merk would you vote ref? I would, but I'm not done yet.
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Aug 13, 2021 21:10
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merk posted:I would, but I'm not done yet. If you think Ref is scum, and your friend Somber does too, then let's vote it out.
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Aug 13, 2021 21:10
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Plastic is an interesting case. He spends a lot of time telling us what the case on poop is when that isn't the case on poop:PlasticAutomaton posted:So is the case on poopacy just that he thinks Merk is scum? Cause I've definitely seen bad gut cases from merk in the past that ended up being completely wrong. PlasticAutomaton posted:Re-reading things, I'm really not feeling these poop votes. Merk's case in particular seems to be "You have been calling me scum in a manner I do not believe is convincing therefore you are scum" without placing any solid reasoning on it. This is also especially rich coming from Merk who I have seen rely on really flimsy gut reads repeatedly. PlasticAutomaton posted:Somber. I've had a very hard time trying to figure out what he actually thinks because he's spent half the day putting on a giant "Look at me, I'm Steak" act and using it to cover himself from actually putting stuff out there. He called Sandwolf out for an apparent scum slip, (I actually see where Somber's coming from on that vote) but then he immediately dropped his vote and went after Poopacy instead, following right after merk. Said case on Poopacy has boiled down to "You think I'm scum? How can you possibly think I'm scum?" PlasticAutomaton posted:I just think the case on Poopacy is way worse and the pushes for him have been pinging me badly. But as I've never actually seen you get past day 2 in any mafia game I've played, Steak, I want to make a deal. Claim, and I'll swap to Poopacy as my fallback option to get a flip instead of you. None of the usual drip-feed nonsense, just an actual claim. But then at deadline...? PlasticAutomaton posted:So I guess that means I don't understand why we need to hear the same thing three times about how bad the case is on poop; and I don't understand how plastic votes poop right at deadline (and then switches back to steak).
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Aug 13, 2021 21:12
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gay for gacha posted:Maerlyn you haven't really had any reads in two pages of posts, what's up pal. Can't figure it out? I just want to be like taste where I can barely post and no one says anything (not including being ill, he's a taste of few words and it drives me up a wall). Specifically about that vote somber hasn't been on my radar but there's bits in his recent long quote post that I don't care for at first glance, need to dig in further (admittedly I'm being lazy, it's early in D2 and I took the day off, I don't feel like doing my homework just yet).
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Aug 13, 2021 21:12
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Somberbrero posted:That's not really how I would interact with my scum team. This is on my mind because I just finished a game as scum. In this situation in this game where it is right now I would let merk handle himself and probably ignore him. I take your point, but while it makes sense in a vacuum it's not really how the game is played imo. ...but it is how scum you would interact with town merk.
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Aug 13, 2021 21:14
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Maerlyn posted:I just want to be like taste where I can barely post and no one says anything (not including being ill, he's a taste of few words and it drives me up a wall). "early in d2" seems like a cool way to excuse yourself from blowing your cover by having to post.
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Aug 13, 2021 21:15
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merk posted:...but it is how scum you would interact with town merk. I was just thinking that.
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Aug 13, 2021 21:15
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##vote Referee looks right for now.
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Aug 13, 2021 21:15
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I’d also
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Aug 13, 2021 21:16
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t a s t e posted:I’d also I could see your somber vote. Do you have words that explain how you got there?
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Aug 13, 2021 21:17
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gay for gacha posted:"early in d2" seems like a cool way to excuse yourself from blowing your cover by having to post. You asked me a question and I gave you a truthful answer, I don't think "it's a Friday and I want to do something fun" is a scummy response. ##unvote for now Somberbrero posted:I do want to say I think I was wrong about Sandwolf in retrospect. What were you wrong about?
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Aug 13, 2021 21:36
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Maerlyn posted:You asked me a question and I gave you a truthful answer, I don't think "it's a Friday and I want to do something fun" is a scummy response. i think we went through this same thing before where i feel like he's evasive and he's just like 'literally what are you talking about' and i think he's scum and then i'm wrong.
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Aug 13, 2021 21:41
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Somberbrero posted:Yeah for sure, I changed my mind after rereading some. Sometimes scummy behavior isn't different town, it's just scum. i agree ##vote somber immediately distancing merk right after getting called out on buddying up to him, while explaining how you can't be scum if you're openly buddying up people because that's not how you personally play scum flip flopping on basically every alignment i was on the fence D1 because your posts seemed town motivated even though I disagreed with basically all your conclusions but now you're just posting scum nonsense
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Aug 13, 2021 21:50
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the holy poopacy posted:i agree you put together a short list of perceived behaviors that you put a negative spin on, not trying to actually make any connections between those behaviors and alignment. feels uncharacteristically lazy of you. it is convenient that you don't bother making a real alignment call on me day one, thank you for noting it. maybe it isn't 'scummy nonsense.' maybe it's you that you don't understand what's going on. try to have some perspective.
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Aug 13, 2021 22:02
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merk posted:Wow. No thanks. re: somb maer sand scum gut reads merk posted:I could see your somber vote. Do you have words that explain how you got there? this is on the same page and you don't even notice, poopacy? do you care about fLiP-flOPpiNg or do you just want to secure a vote now that i'm a popular candidate?
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Aug 13, 2021 22:05
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Somberbrero posted:re: somb maer sand scum gut reads He’s asking me to give gut reads. I’m declining. Then, as I read through the game and look at votes, I see a case on you. There’s the progression you’ve missed.
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Aug 13, 2021 22:13
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Somberbrero posted:re: somb maer sand scum gut reads my position on merk is well established and remains unchanged, instead of stuff like this Somberbrero posted:I'm not going to vote merk, he's actively scumhunting. Somberbrero posted:merk doesn't always know who the scum are. Sometimes he has to play the game to figure it out. (gets called out for buddying up to merk) Somberbrero posted:[some merk quote]
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Aug 13, 2021 22:33
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Somber, I will say, it was unsettling how quickly you and merk went from defending each other to attacking each other.
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Aug 13, 2021 22:36
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I have a good feeling about g4g so far, what’s the case on Referee?
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Aug 13, 2021 22:37
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merk posted:He’s asking me to give gut reads. I’m declining. Maybe I don't understand what's going on then, I'll try to have some perspective. the holy poopacy posted:my position on merk is well established and remains unchanged, instead of stuff like this That last quote is a joke. I thought that was obvious. Sandwolf posted:Somber, I will say, it was unsettling how quickly you and merk went from defending each other to attacking each other. You literally *just* played a game with me as scum. You think this is how I play that? I'm also obviously not scum because I'm not going to kill Toal n1 three games in a row.
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Aug 13, 2021 22:40
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Somb(S) x Merk (S) = Ref (T) Somb(T) x Merk (S) = Ref(T/S) Somb(S) x Merk (T) = Ref (T/S) Somb(T) x Merk (T) = Ref (S) I think it might be safe to assume that if Both Somb and Merk are scum, they wouldn't want to vote Ref (if ref is town they would know) out because that would immediately cause them to be fingered as scum. If Somb is town, we know he believes that Merk is not scum enough to vote for today. If Ref flips town, Somb would finger merk a little bit more than he is now, but would probably not be all the way convinced. If ref is scum, I don't believe Merk would keep his vote on them for the entirety of the day. If Somb is scum, and Merk is town, and ref flips town, Merk would probably not finger Somb because there are too many people that suspect Ref. If ref is scum, I don't know if somb would hold their vote there, because removing the vote would make them be fingered bad as scum. In the case that both Somb and Merk are town, and Ref flips town, then imo the people to look at would be Poopacy, Maerlyn, Plastic. I think that the correct move here is to vote Ref and watch what Merk and Somb do, or anyone else really. But In this case, I think it would give me at least information about Somb and Merk. Given that I already think that Ref is scummy enough to vote for.
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Aug 13, 2021 22:41
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I mean I'm happy enough to vote ref, I'm just trying to figure out if there's a better case today. Likely Town Binus Probably town Merk Sand Gacha Maerlyn Will work through the rest via process of elimination and try to sort it out.
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Aug 13, 2021 22:53
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gay for gacha posted:I think it might be safe to assume that if Both Somb and Merk are scum, they wouldn't want to vote Ref (if ref is town they would know) out because that would immediately cause them to be fingered as scum. is this a safe assumption? I could understand this argument if they had opened the case on Ref, or if Ref was getting close to hammer, but going "hmm yes this is scummy" after a couple people point out it's scummy seems to be a reasonably safe place for scum to hide
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Aug 13, 2021 22:55
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the holy poopacy posted:is this a safe assumption? I could understand this argument if they had opened the case on Ref, or if Ref was getting close to hammer, but going "hmm yes this is scummy" after a couple people point out it's scummy seems to be a reasonably safe place for scum to hide Do you think they would vote a scum off though?
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Aug 13, 2021 23:00
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Somberbrero posted:You literally *just* played a game with me as scum. You think this is how I play that? if you think these are convincing arguments then it stands to reason that this is exactly what you would do as scum, so that you could make posts like this
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Aug 13, 2021 23:07
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gay for gacha posted:Do you think they would vote a scum off though? no? I'm talking about the scenario where merk + somber are both scum and ref is town.
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Aug 13, 2021 23:08
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the holy poopacy posted:if you think these are convincing arguments then it stands to reason that this is exactly what you would do as scum, so that you could make posts like this Sure, I get why you wouldn't believe it, but some people who know my game should understand that I absolutely wouldn't kill toalpaz there. I'm also just not so good as to be able to completely change my style from game.
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Aug 13, 2021 23:11
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the holy poopacy posted:no? I'm talking about the scenario where merk + somber are both scum and ref is town. Ahh I see. Yeah without getting wifom, I guess in the case that ref flipped town both of them would be able to deflect.
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Aug 13, 2021 23:13
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Somberbrero posted:Sure, I get why you wouldn't believe it, but some people who know my game should understand that I absolutely wouldn't kill toalpaz there. I'm also just not so good as to be able to completely change my style from game. so your argument is that you can't be scum because you're not good enough as scum to convincingly hide?
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the holy poopacy posted:so your argument is that you can't be scum because you're not good enough as scum to convincingly hide? Yeah, that's exactly my argument poop. You nailed it. Real good faith effort here. Glad I engaged you in an attempt to better discern your alignment.
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