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Maerlyn is alone barking up a Merk/Sandwolf tree. It just doesn’t feel like scum with those picks. Why wouldn’t she do what Hal is doing and see where the wind is blowing instead?
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merk posted:Maerlyn is alone barking up a Merk/Sandwolf tree. It just doesn’t feel like scum with those picks. Why wouldn’t she do what Hal is doing and see where the wind is blowing instead? Because Hal is catching flak for that atm?
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Aug 14, 2021 18:19
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Sandwolf posted:Because Hal is catching flak for that atm? Not *that* much flak. ##vote hal
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Aug 14, 2021 18:30
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Aug 14, 2021 18:45
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gay for gacha posted:No one is mentioning Ref What’s the case
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Aug 14, 2021 18:48
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I need to do some rereading. Still think the merk/somber/bminus/maerlyn cluster seems scummy, although at this point I'm not feeling maerlyn as much and I suspect somber over merk. Ref's end of D1/start of D2 did not feel good, especially being relatively absent before & after my impression is that voodoo had a fairly consistent steak-centric game D1 which doesn't bother me too much, but maybe I wasn't paying enough attention Hal has kind of been below my radar, which itself is a little suspicious but I need a closer look at his content
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Aug 14, 2021 19:43
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Sandwolf posted:What’s the case Are you kidding
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Aug 14, 2021 19:47
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Gfg I’m in on a ref case. Id go back there.
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Aug 14, 2021 19:48
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merk posted:Are you kidding merk I want someone else to give me a case, I did not find yours compelling, is that OK?
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Aug 14, 2021 19:49
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merk posted:Are you kidding this is even borderline disingenuous, you have one post laying out a case on Referee and you've done nothing to draw extra attention to it
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Aug 14, 2021 19:50
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Gfg also has a case. You know, the person you’re asking for a case.
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Aug 14, 2021 19:57
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You could react to the cases that are there instead of asking for a case. That’s how discussion works.
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Aug 14, 2021 19:57
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Okay, I have 4 pages to catch up on. Give me a bit to read everything, got a migraine at the moment, but I'll post my thoughts shortly.
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Aug 14, 2021 20:04
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Hi apologies I was traveling all day yesterday and trying to spend a bit of time with the family before I leave again. I will be around tonight though. I’m not surprised people are voting me, I haven’t been great. I will say that I wasn’t trying to shift blame to voodoo, I said I went back and looked at steak because voodoo pushed me too, but I wasn’t saying I was voting him because of voodoo. Merk trying to paint false narratives about me this game, thought you were better than that
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Aug 14, 2021 20:07
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merk posted:Gfg also has a case. You know, the person you’re asking for a case. Not much of one. He quotes ref out of order and calls him scum for flip flopping on steak. Which is a pretty cherry picked case. Ref made a case on merk and then moved over to steak as the game progressed. Like many people do on day 1. It’s sort of the same thing he is trying say on me. I was pretty vocal about pushing steak but he is saying I’m scum for flopping around and not listening to steaks case on poop with zero acknowledgement that I would not put faith in the case of someone when I’m calling for their head. Hell part of the reason g4g called ref scum is because ref didn’t assume steak was scum, but I’m scum for not listening to steak who I thought was scum. I’d like to see ref post more. I think he is a good vote. I think PA is better and also needs to post today. But I don’t think sand asking g4g to expand on a bad case is somehow out of line.
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Aug 14, 2021 20:12
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Asking gfg to expand on the case is fine. Acting like no one had made a case is annoying and unhelpful.
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Aug 14, 2021 20:12
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PlasticAutomaton posted:Okay, I have 4 pages to catch up on. Give me a bit to read everything, got a migraine at the moment, but I'll post my thoughts shortly. Sorry about your head. I’ve had one for a few days because we are living in hot, smokey hell right now. I just spent half an hour brushing ash off of things.
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Aug 14, 2021 20:13
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merk posted:Asking gfg to expand on the case is fine. I’m pretty sure all of us take pride in being annoying and unhelpful in these games from time to time.
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Aug 14, 2021 20:14
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And also, Sandwolf is more than capable of reading referee himself at this point. There isn’t much content there. If we are going to win this game, we need a hopefully town Sandwolf to help drive us to finding scum. This whole banter from me also isn’t helpful I know. I do think Sandwolf is townie right now so I shouldn’t care if he’s being annoying. But it is annoying.
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Aug 14, 2021 20:15
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*speaking through gritted teeth* I have read Ref and I don’t really see the case hence why I’m loving asking people to loving argue the case
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Aug 14, 2021 20:18
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Scum probably
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Aug 14, 2021 20:21
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t a s t e posted:Scum probably Who scum
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Aug 14, 2021 20:25
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reading through from the top, this came up early D1Hal Insandenza posted:Merk is giving me the feeling he told his scumbros he was going to show how you can be blatantly scummy but overcome suspicion by sheer force of personality. Perhaps somber said he would accept that challenge and try to one up him. i think this might be the first post itt that calls out merk & somber together; merk & somber both want Hal gone right now. will have to see how convincing their argument is.
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Aug 14, 2021 20:25
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somber repeatedly makes claims to have confirmed merk early D1 as part of their role. i assume joke but it could also be a blatant mason claim (which may or may not be blatant cover for scumbuddies). somber/merk mason does make sense of some of their incredible buddy-buddyness. somber/merk scumteam claiming to be masons also makes sense. i'm trying not to tunnel on somber & merk here but i'm still at a part of D1 when many posters are not very active yet
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Aug 14, 2021 20:32
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the holy poopacy posted:somber repeatedly makes claims to have confirmed merk early D1 as part of their role. i assume joke but it could also be a blatant mason claim (which may or may not be blatant cover for scumbuddies). somber/merk mason does make sense of some of their incredible buddy-buddyness. somber/merk scumteam claiming to be masons also makes sense. Wait what??? Did I miss that?
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Aug 14, 2021 20:37
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I think that was somber's "I'm steak now" posting or at least that's how I read it. I don't recall off the top of my head when he dropped that schtick but 1/2 of his D1 posts were RPing as someone else, roughly.
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Aug 14, 2021 20:45
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Sandwolf posted:Wait what??? Did I miss that? Somberbrero posted:I'll be playing as steak this game Somberbrero posted:i just wanted to say again that i have a power role in case that didn't register for anyone or you forgot since i said it last Somberbrero posted:okay merk is definitely town because this all makes sense with my role so he's confirmed Somberbrero posted:if you saw my role you would understand (this is in regards to somber unvoting from merk) Somberbrero posted:i already explained that merk was town as part of my role, clearly voodoo is faking content and not reading again i assume they're all jokes but i had forgotten how far somber carries on the joke for
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Aug 14, 2021 20:46
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i already had the impression that maerlyn was very wishy-washy D1 but i'm still surprised on reread how quickly she backpedals to any questioning of her suspicions. Sandwolf posted:What’s your feeling on binus from? Maerlyn posted:Based off of Toal's post (I said I would maybe vote binus) but after going back and looking at binus' posts again I'm back at neutral...his posting style feels interchangeable whether he's town or scum so he's hard for me to read. I thought his earlier vote on poop felt bandwagon-y (I tried to confirm this in votefinder just now but it's down).
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Aug 14, 2021 20:58
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Sandwolf posted:Who scum Somber ref
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I'm actually coming back around to scum binus, I just haven't finished the proper case but I found something pretty rich considering Hal is on the chopping block:Hal Insandenza posted:If scum are really in a "bloc" I would lean toward the somb/merk/maer/binus block but odds are some of the scum are the fence sitters and lurkers as always Votecount for Day 2   Hal Insandenza (3): merk, b-minus1, Somberbrero Somberbrero (2): t a s t e, the holy poopacy Maerlyn (1): Sandwolf PlasticAutomaton (1): Voodoofly merk (1): Idle Amalgam, Maerlyn, Voodoofly (1): gay for gacha Idle Amalgam (0): merk, the holy poopacy (0): b-minus1, merk, Referee (0): gay for gacha, merk, Not Voting (4): Hal Insandenza, Maerlyn, PlasticAutomaton, RefereeWith 13 alive, it's 7 votes to execute. The current deadline is August 15th, 2021 at 8:30 p.m. EDT -- that's in about 1 day, 4 hours. Are you loving it?
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Aug 14, 2021 21:03
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your role is scum and i do understand why you post these things as scum.
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Aug 14, 2021 21:14
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Sandwolf posted:*speaking through gritted teeth* I have read Ref and I don’t really see the case hence why I’m loving asking people to loving argue the case It really pains me to agree with you right now but I reread Ref and I didn't see anything alarming, he was a little lurky but the thoughts he had were similar to mine. The arguments others have made (I need to go back and look at who) about Ref "promising info from steak's flip" seem like forced suspicions because there is always new info to process after a flip so portraying that as some kind of scummy statement seems like a reach.
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Aug 14, 2021 21:16
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What about where Ref says that he would’ve unvoted if Steak didn’t fakeclaim? That’s the best part of the case to me.
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Aug 14, 2021 21:20
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merk posted:What about where Ref says that he would’ve unvoted if Steak didn’t fakeclaim? That’s the best part of the case to me. that is the strongest part of the case, I would agree, but it's also not enough for me to want to vote them over other scummier people
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Aug 14, 2021 21:22
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Somberbrero posted:Sandwolf I think I generally agree with this post but don't you think this could be steak voting his scum bud poop? scratching my head at this interaction. at this point D1 people have been pressuring somber for talking big suspicions on sandwolf and somber has been responding by swearing that no really he's really suspicious on sandwolf and just has other priorities. this doesn't really feel like someone questioning their #2 or #3 scum candidate that a couple posts ago they just reiterated they consistently believed was scummy. idk, maybe this is more of a gut thing.
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Aug 14, 2021 21:25
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merk posted:Oh boy is that phrase pinging me really badly. i forgot that merk called somber out around this time. this could be distancing but gj if it is because it feels pretty sincere
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Aug 14, 2021 21:26
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not really relevant but:Toalpaz posted:a short 17 hours remain lol
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I've caught up and I still think it's somber. I may have inaccurately referred to his play as shooting the poo poo, but what pinged me as scummy still remains and just demands some articulation.
Somber's early game play was understandably light-hearted, as is often the case with joke phase play, but where it becomes suspicious is when serious suggestions are made jokingly. The Sand Slip the holy poopacy posted:4 more votes and merk will be at minus merk Somberbrero posted:Naw I feel bad even if it would be funny ##unvote There isn't anything wrong with going against a turbo, but the reasoning and timing at -4 seem artificial. Also makes me wonder if it was deliberately to save merk who has also come across as looking scummy fairly often thus far this game. However, it's when sandwolf hints at somber being afraid to look scummy, and somber retorts with a joking callout about a slip, and then uses it against him seriously later that I find to be a typical scum behavior. Sandwolf posted:Afraid to look scummy Somber?? Somberbrero posted:if you saw my role you would understand BUT importantly, he doesn't lead with the "suspicion" against sand, he has to follow up the thought because it seemed like a good thing to do. Somberbrero posted:wait why are you so sure merk is town Which, them being independent of one another isn't actually all that bad, it's the follow up later to add legitimacy to the breezy call out that I find suspicious.
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merk posted:What about where Ref says that he would’ve unvoted if Steak didn’t fakeclaim? That’s the best part of the case to me. As opposed to PA saying they would unvote if steak claimed?
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