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t a s t e posted:Im not sure I can engage in reads that way, but I can try to think on it, if that’s acceptable?  sure
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I guess if I had to clarify here, I’d be saying that it’s hard to pick out “town” in the way I read mostly in that I engage with tone in such a way that helps to pick out the bad guys, rather than clear good guys?
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Aug 17, 2021 20:57
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Aug 17, 2021 20:58
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t a s t e posted:Oh man, isn’t this avatar dope? it is
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Aug 17, 2021 20:58
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t a s t e posted:I guess if I had to clarify here, I’d be saying that it’s hard to pick out “town” in the way I read mostly in that I engage with tone in such a way that helps to pick out the bad guys, rather than clear good guys? generally I agree, which is why it concerns me when I see things like bminus and voodoo acting like somber is confirmed town
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Aug 17, 2021 21:01
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I also don’t understand it, but I’d ask if you think it’s scumminess as I might defer to, rather than stubbornness?
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Aug 17, 2021 21:04
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Well, this is boring, so I have good reason to believe that Voodoo is town.
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Aug 17, 2021 22:06
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Somberbrero posted:Well, this is boring, so I have good reason to believe that Voodoo is town. now that's interesting. do you believe that bminus is also town? do you have an equally good reason?
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Aug 17, 2021 22:19
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the holy poopacy posted:now that's interesting. I do believe binus is town but not with that much certainty.
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Aug 17, 2021 22:21
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the holy poopacy posted:generally I agree, which is why it concerns me when I see things like bminus and voodoo acting like somber is confirmed town I’m not acting like he is confirmed town, I’m saying I don’t think he is scum based on the play yesterday and I can’t imagine wanting to vote him today.
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Aug 17, 2021 22:34
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hrmm hrmm hrmm. well, I still can't rule out scum gambit. but I'm willing to take this at face value for now. ##vote plasticautomaton
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Aug 17, 2021 22:40
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PA is almost certainly my second vote if all of you are too cowardly to vote taste. Maer might be in the running too though.
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Aug 17, 2021 22:41
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Somberbrero posted:Well, this is boring, so I have good reason to believe that Voodoo is town. Hmmm interesting. the holy poopacy posted:generally I agree, which is why it concerns me when I see things like bminus and voodoo acting like somber is confirmed town That is quite a stretch.
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Aug 17, 2021 22:43
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Somberbrero posted:Well, this is boring, so I have good reason to believe that Voodoo is town. Surely you won’t leave us in suspense?
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Aug 17, 2021 22:58
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Okay, so since Somber has decided to continue to play right out of the Scum Steak playbook of drip feeding presumably fake information while dancing around actually role claiming, I'm just going to go ahead and disregard his calls until he actually posts something tangible. He's absolutely full of poo poo, and I can not believe we're still letting Somber do this dance. It's Somber/B-Minus/Voodoo/Sandwolf. Let's wrap this poo poo up folks. Sitting at negative 1, Somber refuses to claim. Hilariously, it's completely ignored by almost everyone, but Sandwolf's vote is still unattached, and three posts later, he just kinda drops it entirely. Sandwolf posted:Ugh goddamnit Somber, that’s scummy! Sandwolf posted:Ughhhhhhhhh Sandwolf posted:Why are you so sure the claim will sink you? ...And then none of this is followed up with an actual vote. Meanwhile, B-Minus and Voodoo are still in step on ignoring Somber's flailing, and this post from Voodoo reeks of someone who doesn't actually care if Taste is scum or not. Voodoofly posted:All he has done is try to vote out a player I think is town.
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Aug 17, 2021 23:25
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PlasticAutomaton posted:Okay, so since Somber has decided to continue to play right out of the Scum Steak playbook of drip feeding presumably fake information while dancing around actually role claiming, I'm just going to go ahead and disregard his calls until he actually posts something tangible. He's absolutely full of poo poo, and I can not believe we're still letting Somber do this dance. you were less confident than this in moon colony even after we had confirmed several players
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Aug 17, 2021 23:36
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Eh, I was right about my suspicion in that game, I just didn't really bother to go on the attack since we had Infinitum pushing us into turboing the poo poo out of scum. Here, I feel like I've been screaming into the void while Somber is putting on his best Steak impression and people line up to defend him, so it seems pretty drat simple to me.
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Aug 17, 2021 23:44
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So if somber is scum and I’m scum why is somber faking a clear on me when he tried to vote me at the end of the day? Is this all just quad chess WIFOM?
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Aug 17, 2021 23:50
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PlasticAutomaton posted:Eh, I was right about my suspicion in that game, I just didn't really bother to go on the attack since we had Infinitum pushing us into turboing the poo poo out of scum. Here, I feel like I've been screaming into the void while Somber is putting on his best Steak impression and people line up to defend him, so it seems pretty drat simple to me. I've asked you to clarify your work a couple times times, I made a good effort to try and understand where you're coming from. It feels like you're handwaving a lot of your reasoning or still coasting off your earlier weak reads, what's the single sentence case on me?
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Aug 17, 2021 23:53
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I don’t think Voodoo does really care if taste is scum, PA. I don’t think it’s scummy though. Your push here feels a little forced though. Why does any of it make me scum? Because I believed something in what Somber was saying ?
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Aug 18, 2021 00:47
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Sorry, busier than expected today. The Merk Votes Hal Insandenza posted:That’s fine and probably true, but I think your call out of voodoo was more of a stretch. Hal Insandenza posted:alright voodoo, you convinced me to look deeper and I can see it ##vote steak Nothing inherently scummy, but nothing that actually indicates any conviction. An opportunistic voter. Referee has been a strong town read for me. I've liked much of what they put down even if our reads don't line up exactly. Seems to be coming from a thought out perspective. Poop has been on and off the line for a few game days I feel. They've also been a stronger town read from me since they were first up against steak. Maerlyn is a harder read for me, mostly due to a lack of meta(meta as bullshit aside), I read their posts with less scrutiny than I do others. In any case, I like the content and questions they've put forward. It's a town feel. Somber, I believe I've already made more than a couple cases or callouts to somber, and his reluctant hammer doesn't look very good to me. I'll be voting one of Hal or Somber, but I'm going to catch up on the other cases and not just my own points.
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Aug 18, 2021 01:23
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A hot take somber hal voodoo are scum. @voodoo, I don't know why I don't have the losertar. Maybe I broke etiquette by buying this Daily Life of a Certain NEET avatar. It was just too perfect to not buy. I also probably am getting close to having the most losses, and post/av combo, etc. etc. Back on track, you're probably scum.
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Aug 18, 2021 01:29
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Idle Amalgam posted:A hot take somber hal voodoo are scum. I took the loss for you this week and you call me scum.
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Aug 18, 2021 01:36
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Voodoofly posted:Look at these posts. He has two votes and spends more time creating straw man defended to his scummy posts than he does pushing somber, the person he tried to “real vote” right before this, mainly for somber not following up on his convictions. Leading in on steak while also deflecting from somber by shading steak's suspicion. Voodoofly posted:##vote Poop prefer poop to somb Voodoofly posted:I’m pretty sure all of us take pride in being annoying and unhelpful in these games from time to time. This is a good post though lol. Also your points on plastic aren't too bad either, even though I support their push on somber, which I feel like, I've pointed out pretty clearly on my own as to why I feel they're scum this game. Voodoofly posted:I’m up for not voting any of you but you probably won’t convince me to vote myself. What pinged you? Voodoofly posted:All he has done is try to vote out a player I think is town. This isn't a good call out, imo. But your insistence on somber not being scumdoes give me pause, because why would you so openly defend a fellow scum member. So either you're both scum, or neither of you are scum, which is something the late merk may have said. However, I still feel like the obvious vote for today should be somber. ##vote somber
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Aug 18, 2021 01:40
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There’s no way I’m voting somber. Voodoofly posted:PA is almost certainly my second vote if all of you are too cowardly to vote taste. This taste post is just ridiculous. No scum would purposely allow themselves to be dunked when the opportunity to mislunch is right there for the taking. t a s t e posted:Would you admit that scum intentionally act in ways to throw town off the trail? ##vote taste
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Aug 18, 2021 01:56
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b-minus1 posted:There’s no way I’m voting somber. Did i miss where somehow both players were in immediate danger of being lynched?
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Aug 18, 2021 02:00
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Okay. I'm taking some time to put my thoughts in order, to hopefully be a bit clearer about what I see. Yes, I know I'm laser focused on one particular thing at this point, but I feel like there's no way in hell that Somber's town at this point. Somber's had one very consistent position. Don't vote for Somber. Nothing else has really rung true in any of his posts and none of this strikes me as someone who's sincerely changed their opinion. Day 1 it was all about Poopacy and Steak, and by day 2 he's dropped pushing the Poopacy case. It's not even like Somber's said he changed his mind. He has a post listing the Steak voters where he calls out Poopacy for not voting Steak quickly enough and refers to his VT claim "Don't love the disclaimer. Town don't claim with 'believe it or not' energy." That's it. The only time he even brings up Poopacy again is when he's on the defensive later in the day, and said post... Somberbrero posted:you put together a short list of perceived behaviors that you put a negative spin on, not trying to actually make any connections between those behaviors and alignment. feels uncharacteristically lazy of you. it is convenient that you don't bother making a real alignment call on me day one, thank you for noting it. It's big WIFOM energy. This is really loving weird! Merk and B-Minus repeatedly bring up wishing they could dayvig to see what the hell was going on, while the first one to vote Poopacy stayed out of that, and later posts that he wants to see the flip but doesn't think anyone else is interested.. when there was a push earlier to go ahead and get that flip. I'd still at least understand it if he was working on a push of his own, but he really isn't. This is the big vote on Voodoo that Voodoo latched onto to say "how could we possibly be teammates" Somberbrero posted:call it gut ##vote voodoofly ...This is it. A one line gut read to hop onto a case that was going absolutely nowhere. Somber never bothers coming back to this vote or the reasoning and hammers Merk anyways. You might say "Well if he was scum why didn't he hammer it earlier?" Because it would have looked scummy as poo poo to hammer a case he's been avoiding commenting on the whole day, on a guy that he listed as "Likely town" that early. Hammering there shoots up a giant red flag saying "I'm scum. Vote me!" And now after all this he's still dancing around, drip feeding information, and claiming that he has a good idea of what G4G's not-taken option is. I've already said my peace on Somber's absolute refusal to claim, and I do think it's suspect that Sandwolf in particular just let Somber off the hook that day for that little information. B-minus has been basically attached to the hip with Somber, while Voodoo's gotten my eye for his early focus on taste today while not even looking into the merk votes on Day 2 and obviously not even caring if taste is scum or not. I'm going to go re-read to make sure I'm not Somber blind here, and put together my case in more detail. Mafia Edit: And now B-minus has hopped onto the Taste train as well!
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IA: I think what pinged me is your lack of making me laugh. You are probably just busy but usually you have some good funny asides while also making cases. So basically gut.
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Voodoo's argument is interesting when you consider that somber was also at -1 for several moments, why didn't scum swoop in and hammer him if he is town?merk posted:Votecount for Day 2 The problem I have with this entire argument is why would a scum voodoo draw attention to himself right now by arguing this? Also it's already been said but you weren't in any danger of being voted out so somber wasn't risking anything by placing an empty vote on you, if somehow votes had started racing in it would have been alarming and distracting which could be another reason for the gambit. the holy poopacy posted:##unvote I would think you of all people would see this much differently, so this response is pretty telling. the holy poopacy posted:hrmm hrmm hrmm. Where is this suspicion on plastic coming from? I think either Plastic significantly stepped up his scum game or he's town so I won't be voting him unless something damning comes out and I won't vote taste either (I need to see more from him and he's actually participating in discussion). I think somber should just rip off the bandaid if he's got something to reveal regarding voodoo, I'm very curious to know what he thinks gacha's rejected ability was or how he would even know that information. He's already practically admitted he has a role so the delay just makes me think he's trying to come up with a believable lie because hemming and hawing about it doesn't really do him any favors or he's just lying about it period.
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the holy poopacy posted:it would take a hell of a case for me to take merk over somber. what was the great case that made you flip to merk? the holy poopacy posted:that turned around quickly How do you feel about binus and somber today then?
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Maerlyn posted:Voodoo's argument is interesting when you consider that somber was also at -1 for several moments, why didn't scum swoop in and hammer him if he is town? the available votes at that count you post are: binus myself Hal You Referee Voodoofly so, maybe none of those players are scum. maybe all the scum were on me already. or maybe the scum didn't want to hammer a town flip -9 hours from deadline because it would look scummy. in fact i think this is a pretty good reason to suspect some combination of idle/taste/poop/plastic. you don't see the value in withholding information in the interest of keeping scum in the dark? what advantage does a full role claim present to the town? i would have had plenty of time to think of a claim from when i chose not to yesterday as scum, so it seems silly to suggest that i'm stalling for time. knowing what i know, i don't think it makes any sense to fully claim, but i will give some more info. i'm mayor mccheese, i'm a modular role like gacha was. Somberbrero posted:i'm going to TRACK you down and make a suit out of you. you'd understand that sentence if you saw my ROLE(cop). i don't think i should say which one of these i picked, but they both have a finite number of uses. when gacha chose watcher, they got a version with infinite charges it looks like. i imagine the only thing that would be tempting compared to a watcher power would be a finite cop power. it makes sense from a design perspective, watcher/cop vs tracker/rolecop. i didn't take an action n1 because i only have so many available to me and waiting gave me a better chance of finding good information. i was super weirded out yesterday when sandwolf joked about me claiming rolecop. i think it should be clear why i thought this would not save me.
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Wouldn’t you say it’s reasonable to suggest we’re at lylo tomorrow if we mislynch today? We gotta hit here, right?
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Somberbrero posted:Well, this is boring, so I have good reason to believe that Voodoo is town. So what was your result?
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b-minus1 posted:There’s no way I’m voting somber. It's not particularly helpful, I guess, but scum definitely do that. Voodoo even agreed despite using it as a reason for voting taste lol, but your vote here looks like an overreaction.
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Somberbrero posted:i'm going to TRACK you down and make a suit out of you. you'd understand that sentence if you saw my ROLE(cop). AS far as leaving a legitimate crumb behind goes, I believe it. However, I think both of the roles end up alignment neutral.
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PlasticAutomaton posted:Okay. I'm taking some time to put my thoughts in order, to hopefully be a bit clearer about what I see. Yes, I know I'm laser focused on one particular thing at this point, but I feel like there's no way in hell that Somber's town at this point. yeah, you shouldn't vote for me? why would it benefit the town for me to die? i don't know anyone else's alignment, i only know my own. you can say that you don't read my posts as true, but you can see my interactions with poopacy in this thread, you can see that no one responds to my casing, you can see where i doubt myself when it comes to poop because he has seemingly genuine reactions at times. i don't understand what would make this more genuine to you, it feels like you're half-reading the thread and just trying to point to an inconsistency without really understanding what the inconsistency is within the context of the game in order to score points and look better in the face of pressure. PlasticAutomaton posted:It's big WIFOM energy. This is really loving weird! Merk and B-Minus repeatedly bring up wishing they could dayvig to see what the hell was going on, while the first one to vote Poopacy stayed out of that, and later posts that he wants to see the flip but doesn't think anyone else is interested.. when there was a push earlier to go ahead and get that flip. I'd still at least understand it if he was working on a push of his own, but he really isn't. This is the big vote on Voodoo that Voodoo latched onto to say "how could we possibly be teammates" is being "loving weird" scummy? what's the point of this observation? you can't tie it directly to alignment so you leave it out as something to vaguely gesture towards whenever someone asks what reads you're contributing? do townies not engage in WIFOM? where are the several times merk and binus bring up wanting to use a dayvig in that scenario? i just reread those pages and i don't see it. please quote them if you would. PlasticAutomaton posted:...This is it. A one line gut read to hop onto a case that was going absolutely nowhere. Somber never bothers coming back to this vote or the reasoning and hammers Merk anyways. You might say "Well if he was scum why didn't he hammer it earlier?" Because it would have looked scummy as poo poo to hammer a case he's been avoiding commenting on the whole day, on a guy that he listed as "Likely town" that early. Hammering there shoots up a giant red flag saying "I'm scum. Vote me!" And now after all this he's still dancing around, drip feeding information, and claiming that he has a good idea of what G4G's not-taken option is. MERK moves away from the voodoofly vote! MERK! THE PERSON WHO DIED AND FLIPPED TOWN!! of course i don't follow up on it because there's obviously no point in context. instead i DO NIGHT ACTIONS at voodoo which is a LOGICAL FOLLOW THROUGH of my suspicions. after doing night actions i determine that voodoo is not scum. your casing feels fake and maerlyn makes a good point. ##vote plasticautomaton
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That’s a drat good breadcrumbIdle Amalgam posted:So what was your result? Isn’t it obvious?
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b-minus1 posted:That’s a drat good breadcrumb I mean, no. Not if he's a rolecop? Am I misunderstanding something?
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Maerlyn posted:what was the great case that made you flip to merk? a combination of merk flailing from one target to another and somber having a possible claim, with an unusually earnest play for the time being I'm inclined to believe somber's claim--somber can be revisited D4 if today doesn't go anywhere. if there are a bunch of role claims/flips then somber might be back on the block. not sure how I feel about bminus. he's been consistently and strongly on somber's side since D1... which I am inherently suspicious of regardless of somber's alignment. apparently some people like to do that stuff as town though so
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