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Lex Neville
Apr 15, 2009
I did another sport against my better judgment and now my knee is three times its usual size and I will not be able to ride my bike for a while. Not good

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Phosphine
May 30, 2011

WHY, JUDY?! WHY?!
🤰🐰🆚🥪🦊

Lex Neville posted:

I did another sport against my better judgment and now my knee is three times its usual size and I will not be able to ride my bike for a while. Not good

Never do sports, only ride bikes.

CommanderApaul
Aug 30, 2003

It's amazing their hands can support such awesome.
I hit and sustained my "max" (220-age) HR yesterday doing a Ramp + HIIT session on my fluid trainer, and I didn't feel like I was going to die. Didn't even feel like I was going that hard and I looked down at the garmin after that effort and was like "wow that's a lot of dark red on the graph". My legs were loving screaming though.

Feels good man.

CommanderApaul fucked around with this message at 13:11 on Aug 23, 2021

Literally Lewis Hamilton
Feb 22, 2005



CommanderApaul posted:

I hit and sustained my "max" (220-age) HR yesterday doing a Ramp + HIIT session on my fluid trainer, and I didn't feel like I was going to die. Didn't even feel like I was going that hard and I looked down at the garmin after that effort and was like "wow that's a lot of dark red on the graph". My legs were loving screaming though.

Feels good man.

If you didn’t feel like you were about to puke and physically could not go on any longer at that level of exertion then that isn’t your max. 220-age is a really bad calculation.

e.pilot
Nov 20, 2011

sometimes maybe good
sometimes maybe shit

Salt Fish posted:

Blinking light haters crew checking in

:chloe:

Polo-Rican
Jul 4, 2004

emptyquote my posts or die

VideoGameVet posted:

I had a Bob Jackson in the 1970’s.



Yes, I worked for Bikecentennial in ‘76 after my Freshman year in college.

This is beautiful! Absolutely love the black and white striping up the seat post. For some reason I haven't taken a really good glamour shot of my bike... I should remedy that soon. This is the best one I have



I didn't know anything about the bob jackson brand before buying this bike... didn't know it was in any way desirable, until other bike guys started occasionally yelling "bob jackson, nice!" at me while riding

Polo-Rican fucked around with this message at 15:12 on Aug 23, 2021

e.pilot
Nov 20, 2011

sometimes maybe good
sometimes maybe shit

Polo-Rican posted:

This is beautiful! Absolutely love the black and white striping up the seat post. For some reason I haven't taken a really good glamour shot of my bike... I should remedy that soon. This is the best one I have



I didn't know anything about the bob jackson brand before buying this bike... didn't know it was in any way desirable, until other bike guys started occasionally yelling "bob jackson, nice!" at me while riding

More pics of this bike, stat

sweat poteto
Feb 16, 2006

Everybody's gotta learn sometime
Is Bob Jackson still in business? Last year they were closing, then got saved, then were closing for real this time, now the website has a teaser but maybe that refers to the first one. It all happened in a short span of time so hard to tell what the latest news is.

MrL_JaKiri
Sep 23, 2003

A bracing glass of carrot juice!


Getting back out on the road starts here :toot:

Not quite 1 minute per broken bone, but getting there

TobinHatesYou
Aug 14, 2007

wacky cycling inflatable
tube man

Literally Lewis Hamilton posted:

If you didn’t feel like you were about to puke and physically could not go on any longer at that level of exertion then that isn’t your max. 220-age is a really bad calculation.

HAIL eSATA-n
Apr 7, 2007


started riding the trainer again and my heart rate is generally matching my watts :negative:

bicievino
Feb 5, 2015

HAIL eSATA-n posted:

started riding the trainer again and my heart rate is generally matching my watts :negative:

As an initial training goal, being able to ride at more watts than hr for an hour is a really good one imo

truavatar
Mar 3, 2004

GIS Jedi
Does anyone know what the model/year is on this bike? I asked the seller and they don't know.

https://westernmass.craigslist.org/bik/d/wales-bicycle/7367695325.html

Still looking for a good intro road bike.

Literally Lewis Hamilton
Feb 22, 2005



truavatar posted:

Does anyone know what the model/year is on this bike? I asked the seller and they don't know.

https://westernmass.craigslist.org/bik/d/wales-bicycle/7367695325.html

Still looking for a good intro road bike.

That’s a GT Grade with a 8 speed Claris build circa about 2015. It’s technically a gravel bike but it’s fine on road.

https://www.the-house.com/qgtgac56mna15zz-gt-bikes.html

truavatar
Mar 3, 2004

GIS Jedi

Literally Lewis Hamilton posted:

That’s a GT Grade with a 8 speed Claris build circa about 2015. It’s technically a gravel bike but it’s fine on road.

https://www.the-house.com/qgtgac56mna15zz-gt-bikes.html

Thanks! Reading a few reviews/articles about it, this seems like it could be pretty much just what I'm looking for - a lower end/intro road bike that can stand up to some dirt and gravel. If it's really around 2015, that's pretty reasonable. It also looks like it has regular pedals, which is a good place for me to start since I don't have cleated cycling shoes yet.

Wish it wasn't 2 hours away, but if that's what I gotta do, I can do it.

Any immediate red flags, or any specific questions I should ask the seller? The listing is pretty limited.

learnincurve
May 15, 2014

Smoosh
That’s a bloody good deal for $450, looks like it’s been in a shed for the last 5 years.

Literally Lewis Hamilton
Feb 22, 2005



truavatar posted:

Thanks! Reading a few reviews/articles about it, this seems like it could be pretty much just what I'm looking for - a lower end/intro road bike that can stand up to some dirt and gravel. If it's really around 2015, that's pretty reasonable. It also looks like it has regular pedals, which is a good place for me to start since I don't have cleated cycling shoes yet.

Wish it wasn't 2 hours away, but if that's what I gotta do, I can do it.

Any immediate red flags, or any specific questions I should ask the seller? The listing is pretty limited.

I’d probably try to haggle them down, using BBB as a guide.

https://www.bicyclebluebook.com/value-guide/product/3059799

COVID wrecked used bike prices in a bad way for you, the buyer, similar to used car prices. 8 speed Claris is very entry level but it’s fine for casual use.

For the bike itself, the Grade was a pretty well received bike from GT. GT used to be a good brand roughly at the same level of Trek and Specialized way back when, but they wound up way downmarket after some purchases and bankruptcies. I’d check out the usual things on a used bike but there weren’t any major problems with the Grade afaik.

VideoGameVet
May 14, 2005

It is by caffeine alone I set my bike in motion. It is by the juice of Java that pedaling acquires speed, the teeth acquire stains, stains become a warning. It is by caffeine alone I set my bike in motion.

Polo-Rican posted:

This is beautiful! Absolutely love the black and white striping up the seat post. For some reason I haven't taken a really good glamour shot of my bike... I should remedy that soon. This is the best one I have



I didn't know anything about the bob jackson brand before buying this bike... didn't know it was in any way desirable, until other bike guys started occasionally yelling "bob jackson, nice!" at me while riding

I snapped the frame where the seat tube meets the bottom bracket during a climb on a training ride in 1978 (college cycling club).

My legs were crazy huge back then and I was an absolute idiot for not driving up to Trexlertown and doing track racing (I was at PENN). The only events I did well on were flat road races and time trials.

I replaced the frame with this overbuilt Paris Sport thing (24lbs with full C-Record) that had Cinelli cast lugs.

Both bikes had vertical dropouts because I would slip the wheel otherwise.

Hokkaido Anxiety
May 21, 2007

slub club 2013
Finishing up my first fixie (not singlespeed) build and could use a little help/advice on clips/straps. I originally threw some spds on, but I love the look of these bear trap pedals (https://crustbikes.com/products/mks-xc-iii-pedals).

Those would be impossible to mount clips or straps to, right? If not, what do I need to look for? I jumped straight to clipless for my other bikes, so I don't really even have a vocabulary to Google up what I need to ride with clips or straps.

Clark Nova
Jul 18, 2004

truavatar posted:

Thanks! Reading a few reviews/articles about it, this seems like it could be pretty much just what I'm looking for - a lower end/intro road bike that can stand up to some dirt and gravel. If it's really around 2015, that's pretty reasonable. It also looks like it has regular pedals, which is a good place for me to start since I don't have cleated cycling shoes yet.

Wish it wasn't 2 hours away, but if that's what I gotta do, I can do it.

Any immediate red flags, or any specific questions I should ask the seller? The listing is pretty limited.


Hey, I had this exact bike for a couple of years - I got it on clearance from Jenson for $500. The frame is resonably light and stiff and it was fun to ride. The problems I had with it were that it only fit 700c x 35mm max tires, which is pretty low by gravel bike standards, and that the bottom-end FSA crankset it came with had atrocious chain suck problems, which went away immediately when I put an old 105 crank on it

kimbo305
Jun 9, 2007

actually, yeah, I am a little mad

Hokkaido Anxiety posted:

Finishing up my first fixie (not singlespeed) build and could use a little help/advice on clips/straps. I originally threw some spds on, but I love the look of these bear trap pedals (https://crustbikes.com/products/mks-xc-iii-pedals).

Those would be impossible to mount clips or straps to, right? If not, what do I need to look for? I jumped straight to clipless for my other bikes, so I don't really even have a vocabulary to Google up what I need to ride with clips or straps.

Looks like you could thread straps through:


https://us.restrap.com/products/horizontal-straps
Or any number of similar products.

wooger
Apr 16, 2005

YOU RESENT?

Hokkaido Anxiety posted:

Finishing up my first fixie (not singlespeed) build and could use a little help/advice on clips/straps. I originally threw some spds on, but I love the look of these bear trap pedals (https://crustbikes.com/products/mks-xc-iii-pedals).

Those would be impossible to mount clips or straps to, right? If not, what do I need to look for? I jumped straight to clipless for my other bikes, so I don't really even have a vocabulary to Google up what I need to ride with clips or straps.

Buy https://www.sjscycles.co.uk/pedals-cleats/mks-sylvan-road-alloy-quill-pedals-silver/

Or something similar looking.

CommanderApaul
Aug 30, 2003

It's amazing their hands can support such awesome.

Literally Lewis Hamilton posted:

If you didn’t feel like you were about to puke and physically could not go on any longer at that level of exertion then that isn’t your max. 220-age is a really bad calculation.

Yep, hence "max" in quotes. :)

In good ergonomics news, Trek finally shipped my 175mm seat mast cap, it should be here Thursday. I've had the 135mm sitting about 2mm above the "minimum insert" line (scared to put it any higher) and it's still 10mm or so too low. It will be nice to get full leg extension.

truavatar
Mar 3, 2004

GIS Jedi
Looks like that other bike I was looking at is probably going to get sold before I can make the drive down to look at it.

I found a couple others more locally though. I hope this thread is an okay place to keep asking for advice on buying a first bike - if not, please just let me know!

The first one is a newer Trek 1.2 for $550:
https://www.facebook.com/marketplac...fa-c93419679063

Guy said it was an "early 2018" but it looks like a 2016 to me:

https://www.bikeradar.com/reviews/bikes/road-bikes/trek-1-2-review/?image=10&type=gallery&gallery=1&embedded_slideshow=1
https://www.bicyclebluebook.com/value-guide/product/3062727/

Looks like there are concerns about the tires and brakes, but I'd probably want to replace the 23mm tires with something bigger anyway, if it would fit. I'd also probably replace the brake pads right away, just to be safe, which should help on that.

The second one is a Motobecane Vent Noir for $400:
https://albany.craigslist.org/bik/d/ballston-spa-motobecane-vent-noir/7346997709.html

I can't find much information on this bike - seems like a rarer manufacturer. The seller says:

quote:

"I believe it’s 2020 and the entire drive train was upgraded to Shimano 105 which is very high end. The wheels are Fulcrum Racing and cost 300 for the set and they are relatively new. The brakes were also upgraded to Shimano 105 , also high end as was the cranks- also Shimano 105.

And I’m including a GPS speedometer. I encourage you to look up the above on the internet for value. Then hike is very very light. I’ll also throw in spinners"

I can't really tell the year on this thing because they all seem to look the same. Not sure if they're blowing smoke.

kimbo305
Jun 9, 2007

actually, yeah, I am a little mad

truavatar posted:

The second one is a Motobecane Vent Noir for $400:
https://albany.craigslist.org/bik/d/ballston-spa-motobecane-vent-noir/7346997709.html

I can't find much information on this bike - seems like a rarer manufacturer. The seller says:

I can't really tell the year on this thing because they all seem to look the same. Not sure if they're blowing smoke.
Motobecane is now a house brand of BikesDirect, a reputable direct to consumer company.
They make some weird parts choices (including really cheap stuff that wears out quick and needs to be replaced early) and need proper assembly by the first buyer, but otherwise are totally fine.


This one has much better spec than the Trek 1.2.

Literally Lewis Hamilton
Feb 22, 2005



truavatar posted:

Looks like that other bike I was looking at is probably going to get sold before I can make the drive down to look at it.

I found a couple others more locally though. I hope this thread is an okay place to keep asking for advice on buying a first bike - if not, please just let me know!

The first one is a newer Trek 1.2 for $550:
https://www.facebook.com/marketplac...fa-c93419679063

Guy said it was an "early 2018" but it looks like a 2016 to me:

https://www.bikeradar.com/reviews/bikes/road-bikes/trek-1-2-review/?image=10&type=gallery&gallery=1&embedded_slideshow=1
https://www.bicyclebluebook.com/value-guide/product/3062727/

Looks like there are concerns about the tires and brakes, but I'd probably want to replace the 23mm tires with something bigger anyway, if it would fit. I'd also probably replace the brake pads right away, just to be safe, which should help on that.

The second one is a Motobecane Vent Noir for $400:
https://albany.craigslist.org/bik/d/ballston-spa-motobecane-vent-noir/7346997709.html

I can't find much information on this bike - seems like a rarer manufacturer. The seller says:

I can't really tell the year on this thing because they all seem to look the same. Not sure if they're blowing smoke.

The Motobecane is better speced for cheaper, but is it really a 56? The head tube looks huge.

I actually own that very same Trek 1.2, same year and everything. It’s a perfectly capable road bike but the tires are unmitigated trash and the brakes are merely serviceable. It requires long reach calipers which limits your options a bit.

Pittsburgh Fentanyl Cloud
Apr 7, 2003


is this bike worth what's being asked for? I kinda want to try a carbon fiber bike but I don't want to buy one new.

https://pittsburgh.craigslist.org/bik/d/pittsburgh-giant-ocrc3-formula-one-road/7370226100.html

hemale in pain
Jun 5, 2010




I've had beautiful luck. I ordered a new wheel with a 142mm hub with the intention of swapping caps to make it 135mm QR and it came already setup like that :) it went up tubeless first time and isn't leaking at all. The bicycle gods are smiling down upon me.

kimbo305
Jun 9, 2007

actually, yeah, I am a little mad

Literally Lewis Hamilton posted:

It requires long reach calipers which limits your options a bit.

Does that mean it has clearance for big (32) tires? Or they were just being goofy with the frame/fork spec?

Pittsburgh Fentanyl Cloud posted:

is this bike worth what's being asked for? I kinda want to try a carbon fiber bike but I don't want to buy one new.

https://pittsburgh.craigslist.org/bik/d/pittsburgh-giant-ocrc3-formula-one-road/7370226100.html

I think it is worth it as a bike in this climate, but definitely not worth it to you as someone looking for a nice 2nd bike that's carbon.

Pittsburgh Fentanyl Cloud
Apr 7, 2003


okay, thanks!

kimbo305
Jun 9, 2007

actually, yeah, I am a little mad
Imo, the steps to a nice road bike are
(factoring in both ride benefits and looks):

- modern drivetrain: 11spd, electronic
- nice wheels. Not necessarily deep or carbon, but at least light and maybe with a cool hub sound
- nice tires. The grip, perceived rolling resistance, and comfort all factor hugely into the ride experience
- carbon frame. Either it's light, or aero, or if you spend a lot, both. Handling a lighter bike is great -- useful everywhere. And it could also look fast.
- disc brakes. Disc braking is great, but I don't think it's a deal breaker for a road bike, especially if you're not on carbon wheels.
- aero/internal cable routing. 10% aero gains, 90% looks
- modern standards: thru-axle, flat mount disc brakes, tapered steerer. Pretty marginal gains, and currently limit your aftermarket choices to the pricier end of the spectrum


A carbon bike with 9speed drivetrain is just not gonna be that fun, if your regular bike is a new alu frame with 11spd.

Pittsburgh Fentanyl Cloud
Apr 7, 2003


That's a good list that makes sense, thank you.

truavatar
Mar 3, 2004

GIS Jedi

Literally Lewis Hamilton posted:

The Motobecane is better speced for cheaper, but is it really a 56? The head tube looks huge.

I actually own that very same Trek 1.2, same year and everything. It’s a perfectly capable road bike but the tires are unmitigated trash and the brakes are merely serviceable. It requires long reach calipers which limits your options a bit.

kimbo305 posted:

Motobecane is now a house brand of BikesDirect, a reputable direct to consumer company.
They make some weird parts choices (including really cheap stuff that wears out quick and needs to be replaced early) and need proper assembly by the first buyer, but otherwise are totally fine.


This one has much better spec than the Trek 1.2.

Thanks all. I'm going to take a look at the Motobecane tomorrow morning. I don't know much about fitting, but from what I've read, the main thing is that I want to be able to stand over the bar with a couple inches between it and my crotch.

Literally Lewis Hamilton
Feb 22, 2005



kimbo305 posted:

Does that mean it has clearance for big (32) tires? Or they were just being goofy with the frame/fork spec?

I think it is worth it as a bike in this climate, but definitely not worth it to you as someone looking for a nice 2nd bike that's carbon.

Just goofy as far as I can tell. It’s pretty narrow in the back, maybe 28s. They might be Promax brakes since there’s a Proxmax model with the same #, but the 1.2 brakes are unbranded.



I found some 105 calipers on clearance at Performance Bike back in the day and found out they wouldn’t fit. I wound up taking a round file to it and got a bit more clearance to move the pads down lower. In hindsight this was not a great idea but there was still a lot of material left. Now it lives on the trainer.

Crumps Brother
Sep 5, 2007

-G-
Get Equipped with
Ground Game
Possibly silly question, but I noticed a pretty decent discrepancy in my average power between what my wahoo reports vs Strava.


If all the other metrics are pretty similar why would average power be different by so much? Best I can figure is maybe Strava is including 0 values or it has something to do with stopped time? Obviously it's mostly an ego thing and doesn't actually matter, but the difference has me curious.

learnincurve
May 15, 2014

Smoosh
Strava’s auto pause is super sensitive and is always factored in so I would think it’s that

Idk if anyone else in the U.K. was FOOOLED by the LYING FRAUDS at the met office on Saturday who said cloudy and 40% of chance of drizzle for half an hour, but my strava had 1:09 ride time when in reality I’d had to stop every 5 minutes over 2 hours to cower under trees from rain bouncing so hard off the gravel it was like hailstones hitting me under the chin.

tarlibone
Aug 1, 2014

Am I a... bad person?
AM I??




Fun Shoe
Well, I was able to snag a Giant Escape. It's the version with the 3-gear crankset and the same 7-speed cassette I'm used to. Over 20 pages ago, someone mentioned watching out to make sure I got more than two gears up front, and I did. The lady at the bike shop said that a lot of people only shift to the lower gear up front when climbing, basically treating it like a 7-speed when riding flat. And that sounds great, but I'd be lying if I said that I wasn't going to calculate all the gear ratios and see how many true gears I have, and what kind of madness I'd have to go through in order to cycle through them in order. Then again, I like math, so that's just me, probably.

The test ride was fun because for the first time ever, my standard riding position is low enough that I could properly lean into corners instead of having to slow way down if I have to do more than the most gentle turn. The flat bars lower me plenty, and with my recent diagnosis of lumbar radiculopathy (cycling is one of the few things I can do sitting that doesn't hurt), I'd be nervous about getting even lower. The wheels seem to roll a little bit more effortlessly, and they're very much designed mostly for pavement, which is almost all I ride on.

Also, I went from a medium frame to a large frame, which further adjusts my position. And no, I didn't do that all willy-nilly. I'm 5' 11" with shoes on, which is at the top edge of medium frames and the bottom edge of large frames. My body loves to do that. My glove size is also right on the edge of every manufacturer's L and XL. Same with underwear. (Hats are a different story--I have a huge noggin, and I have to special-order ball and trucker caps.)

I've taken it on a few very short rides around my neighborhood, just to get used to the new shifters. It's a little lighter than the Cypress, but the big difference is in my position. I find it much easier to climb now. I plan on taking it on a short five-mile ride today, since it'll only be in the mid 90s. But, I can't go to the gym and lift any weights for a little bit, so I may as well do this. Maybe I'll decide which cancer charity I'll ride for in September. St. Jude wants me to do 150 miles, but the American Cancer Society thinks I've got 250 in me.

kimbo305
Jun 9, 2007

actually, yeah, I am a little mad

tarlibone posted:

Well, I was able to snag a Giant Escape. It's the version with the 3-gear crankset and the same 7-speed cassette I'm used to. Over 20 pages ago, someone mentioned watching out to make sure I got more than two gears up front, and I did. The lady at the bike shop said that a lot of people only shift to the lower gear up front when climbing, basically treating it like a 7-speed when riding flat. And that sounds great, but I'd be lying if I said that I wasn't going to calculate all the gear ratios and see how many true gears I have, and what kind of madness I'd have to go through in order to cycle through them in order. Then again, I like math, so that's just me, probably.

Here's a visualizer (using the 2021 Escape, but I'm sure you can tweak it as needed):
https://ritzelrechner.de/?GR=DERS&KB=48,28,38&RZ=14,16,18,20,22,24,34&UF=2250&TF=80&SL=2.6&UN=MPH&DV=teeth

tarlibone
Aug 1, 2014

Am I a... bad person?
AM I??




Fun Shoe
Ha! Of course someone made that. I'm guessing the grayed-out combinations are the physical limits of the chain.

Thanks! I may have to try to commit that sequence of gear selections to memory.

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kimbo305
Jun 9, 2007

actually, yeah, I am a little mad

tarlibone posted:

Ha! Of course someone made that. I'm guessing the grayed-out combinations are the physical limits of the chain.

More or less -- there's an angle threshold -- over the set chain angle will be grayed out.

Mind you, you don't have to be exact according to this gear chart or shift the front that frequently to try to use all your gear ratios.
Your two bigger rings have a lot of overlap, but you don't have to go back and forth between them to try to get all the ratios. The little ring seems nicely stand apart -- once you hit the 2nd easiest gear in the middle ring.

On the hand, with only 7 speeds, you might feel the need to try to get a better gear for your desired cadence when crusing.

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