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You can turn on God Mode any time you want in the settings I'm pretty sure if you feel like you're hitting a wall. If you have a favourite weapon and refuse to engage with the others then you can just eke out 10 wins that way. Don't even need to touch the Heat system if you don't want to. You wouldn't get the little epilogue but you'd see the credits roll. Something I noticed when I saw a friend play was that he actually played extremely slowly, just staying put with ranged weapons and playing it safe. Which is nutso to me, the game is clearly crying out to be played aggressively with you dashing all over the place as fast as possible. Playing with Hermes Feather on is basically the ideal way to play, especially with another dodge weapon like the fists.
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Cleretic posted:The introduction of God Mode is a good addition to Hades, although the fact that it's only something you can turn on at the start means it's only really good if you know from the outset that you only want the story. You can turn God Mode on and off any time, I think even in the middle of a run.
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I'm definitely playing with God Mode on because I knew going in that my patience with punishing games is... not great. I straight up do not enjoy playing games where the difficulty is set to "you're gonna suffer" and this is why I frequently can't engage with roguelikes, because that's a trait of the genre. I also very rarely put difficulty settings past normal. Judge me. I'm liking how the story in Hades is developing, I like the characters, the combat is fun. I really wanted to play it because I enjoy mythology, but knowing about God Mode is probably why I actually bought it, rather than deciding it was going to be like my experience with Dark Souls or Bloodborne, where I die eight times in the same spot early on and then give up forever.
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Sep 9, 2021 15:04
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Its insane to me that the bow is apparently the best weapon in Hades??
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Sep 9, 2021 15:11
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Biplane posted:Its insane to me that the bow is apparently the best weapon in Hades?? For pumping out damage, yes. It has the highest base damage and since (almost) every upgrade in hades stacks additively that means the bow outDPS's almost anything. And a majority of its associated Hammers just make the bow better at what it does. You just need good timing and positioning, and be fine with being rooted to the ground for a half second. There isnt a strictly bad weapon in hades. Other than the basic gun and some other aspects with no upgrades. Rigged Death Trap has a new favorite as of 16:08 on Sep 9, 2021 |
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Sep 9, 2021 16:05
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Sep 9, 2021 16:30
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I hear good things about the Chiron upgrade but Hera shreds bosses with any decent cast. It's about as safe as you can be without the shield. The shield chumps the last boss since he can't hit through it for poo poo.
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Sep 9, 2021 16:50
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I paused on Hades cause I got annoyed at getting cool combinations and then dying to something and having to go "welp, never gonna see that combo again"
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Sep 9, 2021 16:52
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bewilderment posted:You can turn on God Mode any time you want in the settings I'm pretty sure if you feel like you're hitting a wall. Not sure why I was told I couldn't turn on God Mode, then. Maybe it started off as a 'new game only' option and the people who told me about it didn't know that'd changed? I actually had sort of the opposite problem with weapons, though: I follow the Darkness Thirst and try to use every weapon... but the only one I can reliably get somewhere with is a specific shield build (Zeus aspect, Zeus special, Athena dash and revenge deflect, then however many Ares boons it takes until I get the Ares/Zeus duo buff). Everything else is a total toss-up; I won with the spear once, but can never get close with that one otherwise. Hell, even with the shield, sometimes the game will just go 'yeah gently caress you, you don't get half your game plan this time, have Poseidon knockbacks that either do nothing or actively hinder your best damage strategy'. Maybe a problem is that I recgonize that the game wants me to go rush-in violence, but I'm bad at it. I take too many glancing blows and eventually get taken down by a thousand cuts thanks to the lack of reliable healing. Which is actually why I consider Elysium easier than the Temple of Styx: at least Patroclus will help me out.
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The thing I got mad about in Hades was spending a week pushing through to finally beat it only to find that it's not the actual end, and I apparently have to get through it ten times to get to the final ending?  I know replayability is a thing for this kind of game, but that just seems a bit absurd. I feel like folks who massively replay this stuff are gonna do it regardless, but I'm probably just never gonna get there at the rate I'll replay it and with my skill disappearing between times. e: whoops this isn't the complainy thread, I saw the number of words about Hades and assumed 
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Cleretic posted:Not sure why I was told I couldn't turn on God Mode, then. Maybe it started off as a 'new game only' option and the people who told me about it didn't know that'd changed? There's a mirror upgrade called Privileged Status that gives you +40% damage at max against anything that's affected by two statuses. And pretty much every god except Artemis and Hermes either inflicts a status with their boons or has a secondary boon that makes it so they do (like Poseidon can make it so knockback boons also inflict Rupture, and Athena can make it so deflection attacks inflict Exposed, etc). It's not too difficult to get a build that has at least two debuffs and that alone will help get your damage way up, especially on bosses. Also there's the mirror upgrade that gives you +50% damage to enemies that have a bloodstone stuck in them. And, don't overlook Poseidon. Knockback can be really dope against regular enemies. Like you can have the Poseidon dash and constantly keep slamming an enemy into a wall for bonus damage while tearing them apart with a melee weapon in the meantime and absolutely obliterate them. Surprisingly effective with fists if you can get the positioning right I was really grateful for the fated list of minor prophecies because it forces you to try new things and you can discover that you're really underestimating some abilities. Like, there's never a god that I'm disappointed to encounter. They all have something I can work into an effective strategy
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I never played Myst back in the day so I'm trying that new remake on Xbox. I was going to post in the other thread about how I am a very stupid man and that was bringing it down, but then I got over the hump and started solving puzzles myself and the little seratonin bursts I'm getting for doing so is a good little thing
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Sep 10, 2021 04:31
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Brandfarlig posted:Yeah Styx is close to free, it's Elysium that can be a huge bitch. The only thing dangerous in Styx is poison spam being annoying as poo poo when you have low damage to bosses. Elysium especially when you start turning the heat up and suddenly everything there has healthbars 2x normal size + armor. Those loving archer swarms are the absolute worst. I have found very few builds which can dish out the necessary damage to deal with +10 heat in there. The machine gun/grenade launcher thing works well. If you can swing the rocket launcher upgrade and triple shot with it, it's pretty much easy mode assuming you can get a couple Chaos/Artemis power-ups to boost the damage a bit. I have rarely had issues with Styx unless you get super unlucky and have to do all 5-6 chambers. Plus you get a heal at the end without having to fight the boss and a ton of cash for last-minute upgrades. quote:there's never a god that I'm disappointed to encounter Aphrodite's stuff is pretty weak except for her insane call ability that does a metric fuckton of damage along with a 7 second charm that actually works on some bosses Also don't sleep on turning up the heat especially the "extreme measures" thing that remixes the boss fights. The Elysium fight is particularly hilarious: Theseus gets a horseless chariot, gold armor and dual wields motherfucking machine guns. He spends the fight racing around the arena cackling like a madman. Funny as hell Frank Frank has a new favorite as of 04:51 on Sep 10, 2021 |
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Sep 10, 2021 04:45
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Frank Frank posted:I have rarely had issues with Styx unless you get super unlucky and have to do all 5-6 chambers. Plus you get a heal at the end without having to fight the boss and a ton of cash for last-minute upgrades. Yeah, that's why Styx sucks for me. It genuinely feels like it's set up so that a good run has to do a longer Styx, so I get bled dry if I get out of Theseus and Asterius in pretty good shape. I think a big part of roguelikes is generally being able to know what you're going up against in a given run, so that even with random items you can start preparing for what you know is coming and how long you need to last. But Styx just... goes for as long as it wants to. Sure, I get money, but what the gently caress am I gonna be spending it on, given that by the time I get to Styx I have most of what I need in terms of boons, all I really need is the security of health--which Styx is going to drain me of, and which doesn't give guaranteed ways to rejuvenate stuff like Death Defiances.
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Sep 10, 2021 04:50
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By the time you get to Styx, you'll likely have a build that will obliterate all the little chambers though. The only tough part is the final rooms in each chamber that are filled with poison/blade trap spam.
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Sep 10, 2021 04:53
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I had something for the fists that gave me health for anything I killed with the strong attack, so the rats actually let me come out of chambers with more health than I came in with. That was glorious.
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Sep 10, 2021 04:54
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Frank Frank posted:Aphrodite's stuff is pretty weak except for her insane call ability that does a metric fuckton of damage along with a 7 second charm that actually works on some bosses aphrodite's attack boons have the highest % increase to damage, and weak is a super useful debuff, though?
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Sep 10, 2021 05:54
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Mazerunner posted:aphrodite's attack boons have the highest % increase to damage, and weak is a super useful debuff, though? They’re good for some things but if you use weapons like the fist or the gun that do a lot of small hits, I’ve found that the hangover debuff is better since you can do hit and run tactics to preserve your health while ten stacks of DOT kill the enemy.
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Sep 10, 2021 06:06
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I got surprisingly far into Hades on my first handful of runs, even meeting the big boy, but I kind of stopped playing because I could be playing Bloodborne/Dark Souls instead. People have joked to me that Souls games rewires your brain.
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Sep 10, 2021 06:18
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Phobophilia posted:I got surprisingly far into Hades on my first handful of runs, even meeting the big boy, but I kind of stopped playing because I could be playing Bloodborne/Dark Souls instead. See, my history of playing Bloodborne is what got me past Hades. I came in on my 16th attempt with a baller build and had full DDs and just got wrecked anyway. On my 17th run I just thought, hey, why don’t I hang back for like a second to read the timing of his moves instead of attacking like a rabid doberman the whole time. And what do you know, I had a lovely build with my worst weapon and managed my first victory anyway
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Sep 10, 2021 11:00
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Yeah, I figured out pretty quickly that trying to melee the final boss was a risky strategy at best. He has very few windows where you can get in, hit him and dodge away. His swing arcs are incredibly wide, especially in his 2nd phase so if you don’t have some sort of mobility upgrade from Hermes, one screw up will cost you quite a bit. I usually use something like a spell or ranged attacks while constantly running away to whittle down his health and take melee shots only when I’m sure it’s safe. I think that’s the main reason I hate the sword weapon. You can have a fantastic melee build that will get you all the way to the final boss and he’ll just wreck you since he’s immune to knock back and hit stun. The only way I was able to ever beat him with the sword was to use aspect of Poseidon and go full caster build which is incredibly luck-dependent in the early game - because you aren’t getting through Elysium with a cast build unless you’re really racking up damage - and the set of boons you need are fairly specific (exit wounds, casting speed, one of the bigger “nuke” spells etc). I haven’t tried out excalibur yet but it looks kinda promising. Speaking of which, I’ve unlocked most of the hidden weapon aspects except for the machine gun and the fists. I have both upgraded to at least level 4 in one aspect with another at at least level 2 but haven’t had anyone give me the key phrase for either. Zeus and Artemis both commented on the gun but neither did anything with it. Am I doing something wrong or is it just one of those “keep playing and it’ll eventually happen” things? Edit: also if you’re having trouble with the final boss, Eurydice’s keepsake is incredibly useful for both learning his attack patterns and staying alive. I usually run Persephone’s for the first 3 levels and then switch to Eurydice for Styx. Frank Frank has a new favorite as of 12:13 on Sep 10, 2021 |
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Sep 10, 2021 12:09
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Frank Frank posted:Speaking of which, I’ve unlocked most of the hidden weapon aspects except for the machine gun and the fists. I have both upgraded to at least level 4 in one aspect with another at at least level 2 but haven’t had anyone give me the key phrase for either. Zeus and Artemis both commented on the gun but neither did anything with it. Am I doing something wrong or is it just one of those “keep playing and it’ll eventually happen” things? The fists actually need to be shown to Asterius solo, so it can be a little bit of a tough one. The gun needs to be shown to Zeus, which you can rig for; all you should really need to do there is have spent five titan blood into the gun, so presuming you've done that... just keep going in with Zeus' trinket and the gun?
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Sep 10, 2021 12:12
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Cleretic posted:The fists actually need to be shown to Asterius solo, so it can be a little bit of a tough one. The gun needs to be shown to Zeus, which you can rig for; all you should really need to do there is have spent five titan blood into the gun, so presuming you've done that... just keep going in with Zeus' trinket and the gun? Ah to the Bull? I didn’t know that. I actually did that last night but he had his new fancy armor on so we talked about that instead. Oh well. One of the things I love about these sorts of games is that everyone develops their own strategies for dealing with challenges. There’s no right or wrong way to go about it as long as you win in the end. Always fun to hear other people’s impressions. Frank Frank has a new favorite as of 12:18 on Sep 10, 2021 |
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Sep 10, 2021 12:15
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Im at about 35 runs and I can reliably hit Hades now but still no win. Closest I got was with the bow actually, got some insane upgrades for the spread and it did hellacious damage. I got hades to about 25% on his second health bar 
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Sep 10, 2021 12:28
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i did a bunch of hades speedrunning and at the time gun with soak your own special aspect was the go-to strat. it utterly demolished everything in the game no problem, with the only caveat that it was murder on my hands so i didn't try it for very long. i got the run down to 9:xx or so before i had to tap out, i'm sure the wr is way shorter now. hades owns bones. all the weapons are great in their own way (though i can't stand sword).
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Biplane posted:Im at about 35 runs and I can reliably hit Hades now but still no win. Closest I got was with the bow actually, got some insane upgrades for the spread and it did hellacious damage. I got hades to about 25% on his second health bar The vanilla bow/Zagreus aspect is hot garbage but both aspect of Chiron and aspect of Hera are incredibly good for the final boss. I actually have more wins racked up with the bow than any other weapon which is funny because I thought it was too slow/clunky at first.
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FFXIV Porn posted:i did a bunch of hades speedrunning and at the time gun with soak your own special aspect was the go-to strat. it utterly demolished everything in the game no problem, with the only caveat that it was murder on my hands so i didn't try it for very long. i got the run down to 9:xx or so before i had to tap out, i'm sure the wr is way shorter now. 9 minutes?!? Jesus I think my best time is like 25. My favorite builds are the gun with either Hestia or the “soak your own special” aspect boosting special crit damage as high as I can get it to go or the shield with aspect of chaos and huge ares doom buffs on special paired with that Daedalus upgrade that makes the shield ricochet 4x. The mayhem is hilarious. I also like that the 20% darkness/gem bonus on a random weapon each run really forces you to learn them all instead of just fixating on one. Good game design. Frank Frank has a new favorite as of 12:43 on Sep 10, 2021 |
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Sep 10, 2021 12:37
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Brandfarlig posted:I hear good things about the Chiron upgrade but Hera shreds bosses with any decent cast. It's about as safe as you can be without the shield. The shield chumps the last boss since he can't hit through it for poo poo. You need the right upgrades to make Chiron work. Like the Daedalus upgrade that makes consecutive hits with your special do incremental damage and +special crit. Also another thing some people don’t seem to realize is that the Chiron “mark” isn’t just for one special hit. You can land an attack and then land 2-3 tracking specials before you have to attack again. Hera is still my favorite though.
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Every once in a while, the cosmetic skins in Star Trek Online work wonders for making a ship look completely different in a good way. This is the default look for the Sheshar dreadnought.  This is the Sheshar in the Khitomer Alliance skin. 
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Frank Frank posted:9 minutes?!? Jesus I think my best time is like 25. specifically eris gun, Zeus and Poseidon upgrades for knockback and lighting (and ideally the lightning on knockback duo) so that your basic attacks knock back a little each hit and proc lightning on every one. it was bonkers how much damage it did but it was also a metric fuckton of rapid button pressing speed runs also do a certain amount of heat because the "stronger" version of the bone hydra is much faster to kill, and you want a time limit because it removes survival rooms. at least, this was all true when I played, no clue if they've patched anything since
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Frank Frank posted:Yeah, I figured out pretty quickly that trying to melee the final boss was a risky strategy at best. He has very few windows where you can get in, hit him and dodge away. His swing arcs are incredibly wide, especially in his 2nd phase so if you don’t have some sort of mobility upgrade from Hermes, one screw up will cost you quite a bit. You can definitely melee the final boss. Anytime he appears after being invisible, you just have to wait for him to do whatever move he’s doing then smack him around. Also if you see that big circle appear you know he’s gonna do his wide dashing swing so you can just dash through him so you’re on the other side of where he’s going. The timing is important but if you have any dash or movement boosts it gets really easy Honestly sometimes Theseus is the harder boss just because of his shield and crazy AoE god boons. I tried clearing the game the other day with Stubborn Defiance and ended up just barely beating Theseus with 20hp left. My hands were shaking like crazy because I came in with low health and burned my defiance while Asterius was still alive and since I was using the spear and only had trippy shot as my cast I was basically just lobbing bombs at him while praying I could avoid the god attacks since one mistimed dodge against his attacks would’ve ended me. Hades after that was a cinch. Didn’t even need my defiance
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I'm at a point where I feel just a little bit bad about killing all the bosses, again. But not Theseus. gently caress Theseus.
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Theseus can be a pain - it totally depends on what god he calls. Some are just horrific (Zeus, Dionysus). Others not so bad. I just had the funniest run ive had so far. I got the crystal beam Demeter cast early on and then like, every single boon to buff it somehow: Chaos +cast damage Crystal Beam Glacial Glare Pressure Points Battle Rage Deadly Flourish (barely used lol) Greatest Reflex Hunters Mark Demeter's Aid - which builds CRAZY fast with the doom beams active Drunken Dash Strong Drink Crystal Clarity (duo that makes the beams hit harder and last longer) Urge to Kill Positive Outlook Arctic Blast Flurry Cast Cruel Thrust and Double Nova (barely used again) I’d just walk into a room, drop all 3 death laser turrets and everything would instantly melt. I didn’t actually have to do anything else. Theseus and the bull melted almost instantly. Theseus took a little more time due to his shield but it was still a joke. Hades went down without even touching my acorn. Aspect of Poseidon/sword. Hilariously, I knew the build I was going for but asphodel was rough because of a +60% enemy spawn chaos thing and I lost 2 respawns. Shortly after, I got the laser tracking thing and it was all over. Edit: wow ok the Lucifer aspect is super disappointing. I turned the difficulty way down to just run buck wild with it and it’s so slow and lovely I just got fed up and let myself die in Styx. Double Edit: Also just FYI - you don't have to be wielding the weapon to get the unlocking phrase from Zeus. I was using the fists and he gave it to me anyway. Frank Frank has a new favorite as of 15:02 on Sep 11, 2021 |
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Edf 5 has enemies that look just like humans They're giant frogs
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Len posted:Edf 5 has enemies that look just like humans Two eyes, two arms, bipedal... they’re practically identical. I don’t know why they made them look so similar to your allied soldiers. Thankfully the higher tier enemies later on look nothing like humans.
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“You mean those bird-like creatures?” *camera pans over to a swarm of giant bees*
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Lowtax was kinda obsessed with EDF. Is it fun? Is it anime? Is there another comparable franchise?
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EDF is an anime version of 50's giant insect monster movies, complete with the acting, plot holes, and sounding like the script was a written in the car ride to the recording studio. The controls are janky as hell, but it's a fun ride.
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Yeah if you have a bud or two and you all enjoy a game wholeheartedly embracing the low budget aesthetic it’s a grand time in co-op. A little jank but still a blast. Just stay away if you have insect phobias because giant ants/spiders/bees/etc are a series staple.
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Kitfox88 posted:Yeah if you have a bud or two and you all enjoy a game wholeheartedly embracing the low budget aesthetic it’s a grand time in co-op. A little jank but still a blast. Just stay away if you have insect phobias because giant ants/spiders/bees/etc are a series staple. EDF actually has one of my favorite little things in it. Almost all levels have some kind of infrastructure in it, such as buildings, bridges, fences, and whatnot, and all of it is destructible. The game doesn't penalize you at all for your collateral damage, which is good, because you're going to be causing a lot of it. My favorite thing is when a mission is in the middle of a city, taking a step back once the mission is almost over and seeing most of it reduced to rubble, so you could protect the earth from being invaded. EDF 4.1 and 5 is such dumb fun and I can't recommend it enough. Stay away from Iron Rain and World Brothers, if you're looking to jump into the series. With IR, they tried to make it more serious and it kinda falls flat, both in story and gameplay, and WB is voxel EDF, but is sadly mediocre.
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