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Mr. Maggy posted:after Undertale came out, Toby has been talking to Yoko Taro 
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Sep 22, 2021 19:48
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Sep 22, 2021 19:51
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Captain Stalin posted:I could see Toby trying to make this point at the end, even if it pisses people off, since it would highlight the "Hey these are people, not puppets" theme. I think this would be a really dumb and self-defeating theme. People are not playing the game with the sinister intention of taking over Kris’ life, and choosing not to play the game will not create a happy ending, it just means nothing happens at all.
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Sep 22, 2021 19:52
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Oxxidation posted:it’s just a crappy idea to tie ending reactivity to something so vague. for instance: what would Kris rather choose, Bosom or Perish? their mangy zoomer butt is quite enthusiastic about perishing, but surely it’s not out of the question they would sardonically praise the bosom. both chapters are riddled with moments like that We'll have to disagree here. A ton of throw away jokes and dialog choices are likely just that, but there are major beats and characters that the game tells you how Kris was with them, and can comment if you deviate from how Kris reacts. I think it also fits into the overall theme if those major choices do weigh in at the end in some future chapter 7 endings. For what UT was, you had to play the game from the start and really work to get that bad ending, I could totally see Toby doing that in other contexts for delta rune.
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Sep 22, 2021 19:52
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There are some choices that make it absolutely clear you're going against Kris' wishes, like making them drop the ball of junk. I could see the game getting on your rear end for picking those eventually, but I really don't think anyone would enjoy having the game get mad at you for not pranking Noelle or wanting to take Ralsei to a party.
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Sep 22, 2021 19:56
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I remain steadfast in my belief of Don't ForgetTerper posted:My tinfoil is that the song is sung by the player, to Kris. No matter what, you'll be there with 'em. We're the light inside their Soul. We're playing Deltarune with the goal to make them happy. We might have differences of opinions, and Kris would rather not go through with the whole "us controlling them" thing, but goddammit we don't have a choice here and I'll be with them through thick and thin. I'll make that child happy, goddammit.
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Sep 22, 2021 19:58
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Unless the game has good reason to get mad at you it doesn't really work. "You made Kris eat moss! Twice!" 
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Sep 22, 2021 20:00
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There's a few they'll actively stop you from taking, too, like dropping the cards Lancer and Rouxls turn into. I wouldn't be surprised if Full Pacifist turns out not to be the best ending, though, because a) Undertale trained players of Toby Fox games to NEVER do anything but Spare and it'd be kinda more of the same if that weren't subverted a little and b) even chapter 1 has the thematic point that some people are just complete pieces of poo poo, or too far along in their own things to be talked down or niced to death and you will need to actually stand up and fight them to stop them from hurting you and others. Chapter 2 follows this up by actually forcing you to fight the final boss, with all available ACTs being combat-related. It's interesting how this evolution turns Undertale into a bit of a pre-Trump time capsule and Deltarune into one for the mid-Trump years, especially because 2018 would be roughly at the height of "actually it's cool and good to punch nazis" coming back en vogue, but I'm sure that's an effortpost that's already been made.
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Sep 22, 2021 20:01
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Probably the most fascinating thing about the Deltarune fandom is that the shipping wars seem to mostly be a 4chan thing
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Sep 22, 2021 20:04
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You say that, but through our actions, Lancer now has a cool third dad, and dads #1 and #2 are noticing that maybe not being a dick would actually make them happier. Well, dad #1 anyway, but #2 was never capable of actually hurting anyone, so he's kind of a wash.
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Sep 22, 2021 20:05
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Zulily Zoetrope posted:You say that, but through our actions, Lancer now has a cool third dad, and dads #1 and #2 are noticing that maybe not being a dick would actually make them happier. Well, dad #1 anyway, but #2 was never capable of actually hurting anyone, so he's kind of a wash. Chapter 1 was quite up front with how Roulxs was a far better parent to Lancer than the King ever was, and if anything the King was the Lesser Dad in that equation. Then the Queen comes along and knocks Roulxs down to #2 in the hierarchy.
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Sep 22, 2021 20:17
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Rouxls is a passable dad, but he's also kind of a dick. He climbed into Kris' pants hole without their consent!
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Sep 22, 2021 20:19
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Zulily Zoetrope posted:Rouxls is a passable dad, but he's also kind of a dick. He climbed into Kris' pants hole without their consent! And then climbed out of it without telling anyone.
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Sep 22, 2021 20:23
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Space Cadet Omoly posted:They don't want us out, not yet. They invited us. They have plans for us. The whole thing is that right at the beginning the first thing you do is craft your vessel, give it a gift and a name and are asked your aspirations for them. And then the music tracks change, they're gone and here's Kris, whose weird and kinda mysterious and not really gelling with us. I feel like it's less we were summoned and more we were diverted.
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Sep 22, 2021 20:25
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Flesnolk posted:chapter 1 has the thematic point that some people are just complete pieces of poo poo, or too far along in their own things to be talked down or niced to death and you will need to actually stand up and fight them to stop them from hurting you and others. I appreciate that Deltarune explicitly goes out of its way to show you that there are some people that cannot be befriended or reasonably negotiated with. If you don't adopt a harder approach towards these types, they'll roll right over you. I don't think Undertale was intended to be something that informs peoples' worldview, but it did for a surprising amount of people, and the message many of them got out of it seems to be "if you're patient and kind everything will be okay."
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Sep 22, 2021 20:27
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Regallion posted:Question. Supersonic Shine posted:A magical puppet who attacks with projectiles and comes from an RPG that lets you avoid enemy attacks through precise inputs coming to Smash would be the biggest slap in the face to Geno fans. It would also be extremely funny. folks,
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Sep 22, 2021 20:29
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Caidin posted:The whole thing is that right at the beginning the first thing you do is craft your vessel, give it a gift and a name and are asked your aspirations for them. It really shows the great quality of the game, where Toby has crafted this interesting world, full of lovable characters, and one of the most interesting things about it is the player and the circumstances around themselves who are an outsider not just to the world, but to the person they're controlling. This is a very good game so far.
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Sep 22, 2021 20:31
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It's always important to remember Undertale was setting itself apart from other RPGs when it did the "no killing, no not even that moldsmal" thing. But yeah, in Ch1 the king, I think when defeated makes a point to say you won't be able to always use mercy. (But technically UT did that too! Twice!)
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Sep 22, 2021 20:33
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Oxyclean posted:It's always important to remember Undertale was setting itself apart from other RPGs when it did the "no killing, no not even that moldsmal" thing. Just like how Deltarune said "your choices don't matter", when so far they've mattered a surprising amount of time. Also remember that, while we didn't beat King with mercy, we sure as poo poo didn't beat him with force either. Either Ralsei knocks him out with a sleep spell, or all the people we've pointedly did not kill join forces and overthrow him.
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Sep 22, 2021 20:36
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anyway my wild speculation is that all the B route stuff won't be necessary but will instead set up for one final gently caress off big bastard of an optional boss, like a ruby weapon grade "you wanted it well you got it" face punch you do the good route, you do the bad route, the game acknowledges both and then you fight yourself, What They Call "You" Lunatic Sledge fucked around with this message at 20:38 on Sep 22, 2021 |
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Sep 22, 2021 20:36
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I mean, on the nice ending, the King is overthrown by his subjects because you were nice to them. You literally do beat him with mercy, it's just barely less directly so.
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Sep 22, 2021 20:36
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Flesnolk posted:There's a few they'll actively stop you from taking, too, like dropping the cards Lancer and Rouxls turn into. I wouldn't be surprised if Full Pacifist turns out not to be the best ending, though, because a) Undertale trained players of Toby Fox games to NEVER do anything but Spare and it'd be kinda more of the same if that weren't subverted a little and b) even chapter 1 has the thematic point that some people are just complete pieces of poo poo, or too far along in their own things to be talked down or niced to death and you will need to actually stand up and fight them to stop them from hurting you and others. Chapter 2 follows this up by actually forcing you to fight the final boss, with all available ACTs being combat-related. It's interesting how this evolution turns Undertale into a bit of a pre-Trump time capsule and Deltarune into one for the mid-Trump years, especially because 2018 would be roughly at the height of "actually it's cool and good to punch nazis" coming back en vogue, but I'm sure that's an effortpost that's already been made. This was a theme in Undertale, too. You have no way past Asgore other than to fight him. You also have to push the fight button to get through photoshop Flowey, but... that particular encounter was very much its own thing. It seems to get overlooked a lot that in both Undertale and this game, you can get the "pacifist" endings almost purely by fighting. Other than a couple exceptions like Undyne, you can mercy/pacify any monster/darkner once they're low on HP. Neither game is telling you not to fight, just not to kill. Admittedly I think it's a bit on Toby that so many people miss this, because I think it's only mentioned by the first frog NPC in Undertale, and I don't even remember where in Deltarune Ch. 1. I am glad that Deltarune seems to be leaning into this theme more explicitly though, what with the end bosses of both chapters so far.
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snohax posted:This was a theme in Undertale, too. You have no way past Asgore other than to fight him. You also have to push the fight button to get through photoshop Flowey, but... that particular encounter was very much its own thing. To be fair, a lot of people miss it because of the Toriel fight. It takes away every action except FIGHT (unless you notice what SPARE is doing), has the boss constantly tell you to FIGHT her, comes after you may have spared plenty of enemies through exhausting, then SPAREing them, and has plenty of HP for you to seemingly chew through. Then you crit her for a metric fuckton of damage and kill her by accident. It works great as a capper to the Undertale Ruins demo, but if you want that method to be your primary method of sparing, that fight snaps you out of it quickly. It also has the side effect of meaning a lot of people forget that method by the time they get to Asgore, and get stomped over and over and over again until they realize there's truly no way out of this one. Sure, he literally curb stomps your Mercy button, but I wouldn't be surprised if people expected it to legit piece itself back together as you survived or something like that. The Bee fucked around with this message at 20:45 on Sep 22, 2021 |
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Sep 22, 2021 20:42
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I also wish it was guaranteed that enemies will not die (or "die", as it were in deltarune) from one attack ever, because lowering hp is a pretty risky method of sparing enemies when you can accidentally lose your whole full recruit run in literally a single blow if you happen to attack something with low hp with susie
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Sep 22, 2021 20:57
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Oxyclean posted:There's a lot of little things that feel almost off about the light world. How does one even leave the town? The gate south of Kris' house seemingly leads to Noelle's house. Communication out of the town has been down since before we were playing. An important character is away and due back soon. As a player of the game, the implied history of the lighteners is not much different from the implied history of the darkeners. So much feels so convenient for keeping everything bottled up in the town. The exit out of town is presumably the taped-off road next to the police station Zamujasa posted:Queen tells Noelle to use the pin she gave her earlier, so I assume any particularly sharp and/or pointy implement will do Now I wonder if there's some minor dialog change in that scene if you unequipped the pin while Noelle's in the party...
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did anyone do a kelly version of the milk sicko yet
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Sep 22, 2021 21:03
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Procrastine posted:Now I wonder if there's some minor dialog change in that scene if you unequipped the pin while Noelle's in the party...
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Procrastine posted:The exit out of town is presumably the taped-off road next to the police station  I still kind of like my idea though.
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Sep 22, 2021 21:07
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holy poo poo lol
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Sep 22, 2021 21:15
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Oxyclean posted:
Still fully possible we eventually see what's beyond there and it's a dead end!
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Sep 22, 2021 21:22
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Hogama posted:Every character has a few unique responses to Clicking Poppup.
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Sep 22, 2021 21:25
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Sep 22, 2021 21:34
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Hogama posted:Every character has a few unique responses to Clicking Poppup. I think that one was copypasted wrong. When I did it, Ralsei clicked on an ad with a castle. Then apologized afterwards(maybe he apologizes for all three variants?).
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Sep 22, 2021 21:46
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McFrugal posted:I think that one was copypasted wrong. When I did it, Ralsei clicked on an ad with a castle. Then apologized afterwards(maybe he apologizes for all three variants?). Still funny because  Same kind of reaction from Ralsei as Asriel.
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https://twitter.com/bunhearts/status/1440524782957596679?s=21
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Sep 22, 2021 22:01
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Regallion posted:Question. Brandfarlig posted:Unless the game has good reason to get mad at you it doesn't really work.
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Sep 22, 2021 22:23
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I very much enjoy the idea of Susie and Kris unironically bonding over eating moss.
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Sep 22, 2021 22:26
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I've changed my mind, Berdly deserved to be frozen to death.
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Supersonic Shine posted:A magical puppet who attacks with projectiles and comes from an RPG that lets you avoid enemy attacks through precise inputs coming to Smash would be the biggest slap in the face to Geno fans. It would also be extremely funny. Geno already has enough poo poo, he gets a whole route
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