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this might seem kind of out of nowhere but tonight after getting home from work I was watching this video about re-shoeing a horse and at about 9:30 into this video you can see him smoothing off the edges of the horseshoe using a rotary sanding tool and like it just very suddenly struck me we've known for CENTURIES, even MILLENNIA that sanding down iron/steel creates micro-shavings of the metal that gets everywhere, including into your skin and your eyeballs and somehow, somehow no one went "what if the same thing happens to this much, much softer substance that we ubiquitously use everywhere??" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cw8gjwEtdhY
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Sep 24, 2021 04:06
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SKULL.GIF posted:this might seem kind of out of nowhere but tonight after getting home from work I was watching this video about re-shoeing a horse and at about 9:30 into this video you can see him smoothing off the edges of the horseshoe using a rotary sanding tool and like it just very suddenly struck me It was largely considered "inert". aka completely harmless being said of: "if you eat it you just poop it straight out". "it lasts forever and is non-reactive, and therefore it's good and safe."
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Sep 24, 2021 04:13
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i bought a dictionary in a thrift shop and started reading it today gently caress it realized it was only "A" to "pocket veto" (interesting cut-off point) and just ordered the second volume online to complete it
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Sep 24, 2021 05:23
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Xaris posted:It was largely considered "inert". aka completely harmless being said of: "if you eat it you just poop it straight out". "it lasts forever and is non-reactive, and therefore it's good and safe."
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Sep 24, 2021 05:40
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yiw6_JakZFc this has some fun bits like personal responsibility being a thing bp came up with and a tiny bit of road being more co2 than a new car it is not a doomer video but it is somewhat more realistic than most, and curiously has over 4m views in a day
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Sep 24, 2021 05:41
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Xaris posted:It was largely considered "inert". aka completely harmless being said of: "if you eat it you just poop it straight out". "it lasts forever and is non-reactive, and therefore it's good and safe." i would amend that only to say that we the public were told, repeatedly and very loudly, that it was inert. im bone certain there were researchers inside the oil n gas suck and gently caress fiesta that knew it was Real Bad but that got buried under a mountain of us dollars
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Sep 24, 2021 05:44
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I'm pretty sure if you could get a samples from a North Sentinelese inhabitant before you were executed, you'd find PFOA in their bloodstream and tissues.
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Sep 24, 2021 05:47
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Chard posted:i would amend that only to say that we the public were told, repeatedly and very loudly, that it was inert. im bone certain there were researchers inside the oil n gas suck and gently caress fiesta that knew it was Real Bad but that got buried under a mountain of us dollars eh. It's one of those things that didn't really ramp up until the 1980s and it's still a tricky thing to study. certainly they were pushing messaging saying "its inert! no reason to worry, the Perfect Material! buy buy buy" since it's inception to sell it as the Ultimate Science Material, and probably discouraged looking into it. But it's still murky, unlike say gas, coal, radioactive fracking brine, etc, were those things were and all very very clearly bad from the very beginning just from simple stoichiometry and material composition that even the most dipshit Chem101 flunk-out could probably piece it together. even see articles from like loving 1920 that they would worm into plant cellular structures, insects, fish, birds, and humans and act as a endocrine disruptor loving up fauna and flora (re)production, and probably giving poo poo cancer, might have been a little bit of a stretch when they were invented and being used industrially and en-mass at the start. never the less, it was probably known inside the circle that they were likely bad and going to be a major problem at least by 2000 though. most of the environmental side was deflected to macro things like: oh no birds n turtles are getting stuck inside 6-pack plastics and dying, and seals are eating water bottles and choking, how horrible. we need to recycle it better!
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Sep 24, 2021 05:53
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Sep 24, 2021 05:55
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https://thecounter.org/lab-grown-cultivated-meat-cost-at-scale/ TL;DR: lab grown meat is impossible to scale.
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Sep 24, 2021 05:55
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StratGoatCom posted:TL;DR:
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Sep 24, 2021 06:05
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StratGoatCom posted:https://thecounter.org/lab-grown-cultivated-meat-cost-at-scale/ The entire article is really good but holy poo poo these two paragraphs just one after the other. quote:Why the discrepancy? A footnote in the CE Delft report makes it clear: the price figures for macronutrients are largely based on a specific amino acid protein powder that sells for $400 a ton on the sprawling e-commerce marketplace Alibaba.com. That source, though, is likely not suitable for cell culture. Via a chat tool, I asked the Alibaba vendor if the product would be acceptable for use in pharmaceutical-grade applications. “Dear,” she wrote back, “it’s organic fertilizer.” (In other words, it would not be.) As described on the webpage, the product is intended to be used in crop irrigation systems to help with plant nutrient uptake. The vendor did confirm it would be appropriate to use as an additive in livestock feed. livestock feed and where does that livestock end up 
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Sep 24, 2021 06:09
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StratGoatCom posted:https://thecounter.org/lab-grown-cultivated-meat-cost-at-scale/ No sacrifice is ever discussed. It's simply 'technology will save us and I will be able to maintain my stupid wasteful lifestyle.' gently caress it, everyone will experience forced sacrifice instead.
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Sep 24, 2021 06:11
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Complications posted:The entire article is really good but holy poo poo these two paragraphs just one after the other. The beatings will continue until moral improves picture but for humanity in general.
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Sep 24, 2021 06:22
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err posted:No sacrifice is ever discussed. just wait friend, once cold fusion is achieved we'll be growing kobe in our basements
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Sep 24, 2021 06:29
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err posted:No sacrifice is ever discussed. I'm waiting for the political backlash against eating insect protein. "It's called the Big Mac, not the Big Cricket!" 
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Sep 24, 2021 06:31
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black bean patties are right there and people are still all about eating animals even if they are gross fingernail bugs
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Sep 24, 2021 06:33
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Chard posted:black bean patties are right there and people are still all about eating animals even if they are gross fingernail bugs there are also like half a dozen brands of vegan burger that are nearly indistinguishable from the real thing. that being said stuff like marbling and fibrosity are still being figured out but people like sauce stache are really making progress https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gysghjYejHw also i dont get the insect protein thing, like holy poo poo there are plenty non-animal sources of protein there is no reason to eat bugs
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Sep 24, 2021 08:51
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ELTON JOHN posted:there are also like half a dozen brands of vegan burger that are nearly indistinguishable from the real thing. that being said stuff like marbling and fibrosity are still being figured out but people like sauce stache are really making progress i'm convinced the insect protein thing is an op by big-ag to make people throw their hands up in the air and say "gently caress this if the alternative to eating less meat is to eat bugs I'm just going to keep eating meat". it is so loving dumb.
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Sep 24, 2021 09:31
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when i die i hope there are still bugs which can feed upon my carcass, and -- and this is pushing it, but -- maybe a family of chipmunks will make a safe home within my cranium
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Sep 24, 2021 09:37
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Hubbert posted:now let's talk about hope 
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Sep 24, 2021 10:01
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the Big Cricket industry engineered this all from the start, the whole "oil" thing was a ruse, a red herring
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Sep 24, 2021 11:19
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looked it up, 121kg (266lbs) of meat per person per year in the USA, highest in the world. that's nearly 1/3 kg per day (12oz), and that per capita includes everyone, children and vegetarians etc., so the amount of people just packing meat into their faces for every meal must be huge. i'm not vegetarian (and def not vegan, hmu with vegan butter/cheese recommendations though), but due to my wife going quasi-buddhist i've been 99.9%+ meat-free for a few years now (fried chicken like twice a year), and i have to admit it was a bit of a mental hurdle at first, but i got over it in like no time. i've found one reliable brand of vegetarian meatballs that are fantastic, and same with vegetarian chicken schnitzels, but that's about as much as i gently caress around with simulacra meat. lucky to live in a city with lots of, uh, "ethnic" grocers, so access to ingredients isn't a problem.
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Sep 24, 2021 11:25
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Alobar posted:the Big Cricket industry engineered this all from the start, the whole "oil" thing was a ruse, a red herring darn it I knew Big Cricket was responsible for all this  that greasy bastard had it all planned out edit: Mola Yam posted:i'm not vegetarian (and def not vegan, hmu with vegan butter/cheese recommendations though), but due to my wife going quasi-buddhist i've been 99.9%+ meat-free for a few years now (fried chicken like twice a year), and i have to admit it was a bit of a mental hurdle at first, but i got over it in like no time. i've found one reliable brand of vegetarian meatballs that are fantastic, and same with vegetarian chicken schnitzels, but that's about as much as i gently caress around with simulacra meat. lucky to live in a city with lots of, uh, "ethnic" grocers, so access to ingredients isn't a problem. for vegetarian things I dig virtually every recipe on this site here: https://buddhisttemple.ca/taste-of-zen/view-recipes/ but if your wife has been doing semi-buddhism for awhile already then you've probably already seen it. I cook with a lot of beans, lentils (are these beans too? who the gently caress knows, it's a secret to everyone), tofu etc but so far the best meat substitute i've found for anything saucey is paneer though it's absolutely not vegan, think cheese with a chicken texture if done right paneer aside, you can make seitan real easy if you have access to flour, water and hands, not a high barrier of entry considering most goons have an above average number of hands and flour is like five dollars a ton the other fake meat pro tip is make your taco filling out of textured soy protein, if you get the little tiny chunks you can dress it up to be indistinguishable from taco bell which has the side benefit of raising a lot of questions about what taco bell uses in their meat blatman has issued a correction as of 11:35 on Sep 24, 2021 |
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Sep 24, 2021 11:26
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Mola Yam posted:i'm not vegetarian (and def not vegan, hmu with vegan butter/cheese recommendations though) the best vegan cheeses I've had have been from local vegan butcher/deli shops that make it inhouse. Costco sells a giant bag of vegan moz for a good price which works alright; it had kinda a vaguely strange aftertaste so I wasn't a super fan but it was fine on homemade pizzas with enough toppings. I preferred Trader Joes cashew cheese. there was a vegan pizza shop that opened during early in the pandemic but sadly closed up earlier this year. it was really really loving good pizza though god drat, i actually preferred it over dairy-pizza. I wish I could get that 'moz.
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Sep 24, 2021 11:34
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blatman posted:darn it I knew Big Cricket was responsible for all this cool cool my (labour intensive) favourite meat subsitute has been cooking down minced mushrooms until they're dark brown and pretty dry. gotta stir them for like an hour, and add in a little rehydrated dried porcini for flavour, but they make a mapo tofu topping that's honestly better than the meat versions i used to make. can be used as pork/beef mince subsitutes for anything. hail seitan, there's a place near me that does amazing fried seitan with chilli and peanuts. the only things i really "miss" are steaks (used to be in to sous vide. wankery, but so fuckin good) and fried chicken (which i still cave in for now and then because it's so ubiquitous)
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Sep 24, 2021 11:45
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Lol, yup. Don't see the issue with using the Prison Architect game for your post collapse living.
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Sep 24, 2021 11:46
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IAMKOREA posted:i'm convinced the insect protein thing is an op by big-ag to make people throw their hands up in the air and say "gently caress this if the alternative to eating less meat is to eat bugs I'm just going to keep eating meat". Then isn't being this dismissive of the idea playing into the hand of Big Meat or whatever. ELTON JOHN posted:also i dont get the insect protein thing, like holy poo poo there are plenty non-animal sources of protein there is no reason to eat bugs I think there might be a few issues with the climate in which these things are growing but I'm not sure. I'll get back to you on that. the existence of vegan items now at a limited but non-zero scale does not just translate to "Non-Animal Protein" being a solved problem available to anyone forever.
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Sep 24, 2021 11:54
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Rah! posted:i feel like the anger stage never goes away i feel more frustrated than angry, mostly at how we aren't doing anything about anything
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Sep 24, 2021 12:04
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bugs are great and eating them owns
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Sep 24, 2021 12:26
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CODChimera posted:i feel more frustrated than angry, mostly at how we aren't doing anything about anything we're doing lots of stuff! it all just makes everything worse
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Sep 24, 2021 12:27
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Rectal Death Adept posted:Then isn't being this dismissive of the idea playing into the hand of Big Meat or whatever. i mean plenty of cultures get the majority of their protein from plants and have for like centuries, plant protein isn’t some new invention
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Sep 24, 2021 12:30
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Sedisp posted:Unless are you like saying anger is more of a misunderstood concept and what we call depression is inward focused anger that just obviously can't be productive? That's correct. It can be productive, however the production is self-destruction.
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Sep 24, 2021 12:31
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Rectal Death Adept posted:Then isn't being this dismissive of the idea playing into the hand of Big Meat or whatever. i don't think so. i don't think insect based protein is a viable alternative to plant based protein. basic thermodynamics means it will always be less efficient than plant based protein (every time you go up a trophic level you lose a ton of energy) and it is just repulsive to most people. whereas with plant based proteins there are already a million familiar meals you can get people to eat. you can make vegetarian red beans and rice, vegetarian chili, hummus, thai curry with tofu, falafel, black bean burgers... just absolutely tons of delicious and healthy options with plant protein. if you're going to try to get people off of meat, beans are the answer, not crickets.
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Sep 24, 2021 12:33
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Drakeno Beans Drakeyes Bullets
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Sep 24, 2021 12:35
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ELTON JOHN posted:i mean plenty of cultures get the majority of their protein from plants and have for like centuries, plant protein isn’t some new invention having an 80 year period of explosive population growth that relies on mechanized agriculture and fertilizer that then also has the supporting climate rapidly die around it is a new invention is your point that some people can eat some plants at some point? Nobody was arguing that IAMKOREA posted:i don't think so. i don't think insect based protein is a viable alternative to plant based protein. basic thermodynamics means it will always be less efficient than plant based protein (every time you go up a trophic level you lose a ton of energy) and it is just repulsive to most people. whereas with plant based proteins there are already a million familiar meals you can get people to eat. you can make vegetarian red beans and rice, vegetarian chili, hummus, thai curry with tofu, falafel, black bean burgers... just absolutely tons of delicious and healthy options with plant protein. if you're going to try to get people off of meat, beans are the answer, not crickets. the climate is dying your solutions can not rely on 2021 levels of agricultural output and the existence of small scale regional vegan food items doesn't do anything. We aren't just going to give everyone impossible burgers during a famine.
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Sep 24, 2021 12:35
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Rectal Death Adept posted:having an 80 year period of explosive population growth that relies on mechanized agriculture and fertilizer that then also has the supporting climate rapidly die around it is a new invention not impossible burgers, plant proteins which include tofu and seitan and a bunch of other things i mean it won’t happen of course but shifting animal feed agriculture to stuff humans could eat directly would help quite a bit
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Sep 24, 2021 12:39
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Rectal Death Adept posted:having an 80 year period of explosive population growth that relies on mechanized agriculture and fertilizer that then also has the supporting climate rapidly die around it is a new invention yeah but bro what do the crickets eat? insects still have to obey the laws of thermodynamics and conservation of mass and no biological process is 100% efficient. if you're going to feed people insects, you still have to grow something to feed the insects. what i'm saying is that instead of growing food for crickets, and feeding it to the crickets, and then grinding the crickets up into disgusting cricket flour... just eat the loving cricket food. also, referring to beans as a "small scale regional vegan food item" when they've been a staple of most cultures diets for thousands of years is hilariously disingenuous
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Sep 24, 2021 12:49
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IAMKOREA posted:yeah but bro what do the crickets eat? insects still have to obey the laws of thermodynamics and conservation of mass and no biological process is 100% efficient. if you're going to feed people insects, you still have to grow something to feed the insects. what i'm saying is that instead of growing food for crickets, and feeding it to the crickets, and then grinding the crickets up into disgusting cricket flour... just eat the loving cricket food. killing a plant isn't enough of a rush. i have to kill something that's a bit more "alive" ya know, otherwise can you even really call it food?
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Sep 24, 2021 12:53
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Perry Mason Jar posted:That's correct. It can be productive, however the production is self-destruction. Huh. That's actually an interesting concept that I haven't really thought of. And I really can't say it's incorrect because trying to define anger just least to "you know.... it's when you're angry!"
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