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side b stuff: so snowgrave (the spell) is definitely going to play a part in upcoming chapters right? I wanted to see what would happen if you made it to the berdly fight but just used the regular ice spell on him to finish it and it just immediately switches over to the normal route. afterwards though you still have snowgrave learned and can go obliterate some mice and they fade away with a unique death animation instead of just freezing over. seems like an interesting thing to implement for something almost nobody will ever see also I know it's 100% just so the scope didn't balloon out of control but it's very funny how everything returns completely to normal if you spare berdly, frozen enemies disappear, noelle plays her scared animations in battle again, the golden birdley/queen statue is there if you backtrack a bit. you can even go back to where spamton was and get the toby scene
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on further consideration, i'm more certain that ralsei's intentions are on the level, because it'd make the really unwholesome thing about him stand out even more. he's a sympathy trap. the kid is laser-calibrated to be appealing to players, especially ones coming from undertale, but it's become increasingly clear that kris doesn't particularly like them at all - and probably for the same reason the players do, ie his resemblance to asriel - and our well-meaning hugs and compliments to him are probably extremely unpleasant from kris's perspective ralsei being a secret villain would undermine that. his "flaw" isn't that he has some nefarious agenda up his sleeve, it's that he's a perfectly sweet and decent guy that kris doesn't want to be around, while most players take every opportunity to shove them together while going "NOW KISS" e: and it gets worse when you take into account ralsei's obvious infatuation with kris, if you stay dead silent during the boat ride he's still struggling to come up with ways to spin it positively. given the perspective tricks he's been playing on "us," i wonder if he's trying to suss out how much of his interactions with kris are actually of kris's own volition Oxxidation fucked around with this message at 20:05 on Sep 24, 2021 |
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Oxxidation posted:on further consideration, i'm more certain that ralsei's intentions are on the level, because it'd make the really unwholesome thing about him stand out even more. he's a sympathy trap. the kid is laser-calibrated to be appealing to players, especially ones coming from undertale, but it's become increasingly clear that kris doesn't particularly like them at all - and probably for the same reason the players do, ie his resemblance to asriel - and our well-meaning hugs and compliments to him are probably extremely unpleasant from kris's perspective The only dark, calculating thoughts that boy possesses are trying to figure out the best possible moment to kiss Kirs, and would it make him a dirty boy if he did so. Also maybe being secretly evil. I dunno. That coin is still in the air
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# ? Sep 24, 2021 20:22 |
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ralsei's astral projection stuff and his "don't think about this" after the Spammy fight come across much more as like, almost a guidance councilor than a manipulator
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# ? Sep 24, 2021 20:25 |
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I think Ralsei is intentionally meant to come across as kind of suspicious but I feel like in the end he's gonna be genuine, it's just meant to throw you off
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# ? Sep 24, 2021 20:29 |
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Yeah, he obviously has some kind of ulterior motive or eventual conflict with us, but having him just be secretly the bad guy feels way too shallow for this game
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nine-gear crow posted:The only dark, calculating thoughts that boy possesses are trying to figure out the best possible moment to kiss Kirs, and would it make him a dirty boy if he did so. i keep trying to find sneaky ways that he can be nefarious and the train of thought gets derailed halfway in for example: consider that he's not actually interested in kris at all, but in us. all his niceness to kris is just him taking advantage of the player's perception of kris as a player-insert, so that he can "befriend" us through them. but then what about susie? ralsei is over the moon for that girl, as he should be. if he was only interested in reaching out to people who exist in reality - like, real-reality - then he probably wouldn't lavish so much care and attention on her as well there's also his castle and the way he tailors it to the party. ralsei might not want lightners opening up more dark worlds, but he could be interested in keeping them in his dark world, where he's able to control things...except he has no actual authority over any of his "subjects" and mostly runs around catering to their needs while they do their own thing. a few of them say outright that they just ignore when he asks them to do stuff. all of his actions, seen and unseen, point to motivations no more complicated than Friends and Fun, and not the spooky kind either
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# ? Sep 24, 2021 20:33 |
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Oxxidation posted:i keep trying to find sneaky ways that he can be nefarious and the train of thought gets derailed halfway in I think Ralsei is probably gonna be Deltarune's version of Sans for its narrative: a good friend who's in your corner if you do everything right, and the final emergency valve to keep everything from going to hell if you, the player, turn out to be a murderous destructive psychopath. He's just a lot more active and timid compared to Sans. Because the big threat to all existence is the Roaring, and he does not what the Roaring to occur under any circumstances and proves to be his most flat out assertive when Queen, Noelle, and Berdly all come within inches of kicking it off.
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# ? Sep 24, 2021 20:39 |
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Doesn't the dialogue between queen and ralsei imply that darkner leaders have some kind of intrinsic duty to make lightners happy? It gets glossed over, but implies something a little bit hosed up deep down.
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# ? Sep 24, 2021 20:57 |
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The whole "I don't think what just happened means anything better to not think about it" to me felt like some ol fashioned toxic positivity more than anything
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# ? Sep 24, 2021 20:58 |
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ikanreed posted:Doesn't the dialogue between queen and ralsei imply that darkner leaders have some kind of intrinsic duty to make lightners happy? there was a bit like that between ralsei and lancer in chapter 1 that was similarly off-putting yeah, it even weirded susie out
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# ? Sep 24, 2021 20:59 |
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Blockhouse posted:The whole "I don't think what just happened means anything better to not think about it" to me felt like some ol fashioned toxic positivity more than anything This is what I take away from Ralsei. The first two chapters already seen to have presented us with three prominent darkners who seem tailor-made to appeal to and build the self-esteem of specific lightners. Lancer exists to be what Susie needs. The Queen exists to build Noelle up. And Ralsei will bend over backwards at any opportunity to try to make Kris happy, even if that's actually an unhealthy coping mechanism in that situation. Of course, it's interesting that we're getting these clues now that in Kris's case, they don't actually seem to like Ralsei doing any of this.
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# ? Sep 24, 2021 21:15 |
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If that's how you're supposed to feel about Ralsei my experience is way off. I really don't care about him all that strongly, one way or the other. In Chapter 1 I was all for Lancer and Susie's shenanigans, which Ralsei also fully supported, so that was cool. In Chapter 2 I just wanted to look out for Noelle while also being on board with anything Queen got up to, and I was happy Queen eventually relented, let Noelle go, and took up residence as Lancer's dad. I was actually kind of annoyed Noelle loses the party slot when you reunite with Ralsei. Then I saw nobody else caring about him, either, with Queen flat out forgetting he exists, Lancer learning Kris' name but not Ralsei's, and nobody liking Ralsei Tea other than Susie, who likes everyone, because she is the best, and I kinda felt bad about it. Sorry Ralsei you're the fourth wheel.
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# ? Sep 24, 2021 21:22 |
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Oxyclean posted:Then why would there be anything about him coming back? Keeping Kris out of the loop? It doesn't feel like that subject is particular sensitive when it comes up. It also kinda feels like Kris is taking 'Hes gone to college' a little hard, right?
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# ? Sep 24, 2021 21:24 |
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If darkners are what happens to lost or forgotten toys, what happens to a lost or forgotten darkner?
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# ? Sep 24, 2021 21:25 |
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Son of Thunderbeast posted:If darkners are what happens to lost or forgotten toys, what happens to a lost or forgotten darkner? Horror movie.
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Son of Thunderbeast posted:If darkners are what happens to lost or forgotten toys, what happens to a lost or forgotten darkner? They turn into an optional superboss.
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# ? Sep 24, 2021 21:26 |
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ikanreed posted:Doesn't the dialogue between queen and ralsei imply that darkner leaders have some kind of intrinsic duty to make lightners happy?
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Motherfucker posted:It also kinda feels like Kris is taking 'Hes gone to college' a little hard, right? more like Asriel leaving was the last straw in a long line of lovely things happening to Kris’s family that drove them to do some questionable things we know that they were initially just googling when school lets out and waiting for him to come home like any other kid, all this eldritch nonsense is a recent development
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# ? Sep 24, 2021 21:28 |
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Motherfucker posted:It also kinda feels like Kris is taking 'Hes gone to college' a little hard, right? Kris, having never died, is simply not prepared to pay 9999g for the armor Asriel will learn to craft there.
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# ? Sep 24, 2021 21:30 |
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okay this is probably going full but Wingdings is one of the fonts designed by Charles Bigelow and Kris Holmes
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# ? Sep 24, 2021 21:32 |
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https://twitter.com/taffybuns/status/1440206093653712911
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# ? Sep 24, 2021 21:36 |
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I think Ralsei is some sort of face-stealing demon who took his appearance from what Kris wants to see most to try to keep them engaged after the first adventure, but he's doing it out of loneliness and not malice.
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# ? Sep 24, 2021 21:36 |
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Susie has powerful big sister vibes. Ralsei is her little brother now, society must come to accept this as truth.
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# ? Sep 24, 2021 21:38 |
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Is there an equivalent to holding down C to skip dialogue on PS4?
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# ? Sep 24, 2021 21:46 |
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Motherfucker posted:It also kinda feels like Kris is taking 'Hes gone to college' a little hard, right? Kris is a weird, quiet kid. It’s natural that they’d be really attached to their brother, he was probably one of the only people they really felt comfortable around.
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ikanreed posted:Doesn't the dialogue between queen and ralsei imply that darkner leaders have some kind of intrinsic duty to make lightners happy? Not just the leaders, but all Darkners. Going by the intro, when Ralsei asks you to collect all the things from the abandoned playroom (and then the librarby), they're literal objects designed to entertain. Playing cards, toys, plushies. The King berates the Lightners for abandoning them - no one had played with them for a long time. In this chapter, a computer without internet, and in the next, seemingly a TV that has been unplugged for a long time, gathering dust. And potentially even How To Draw Dragons, left on the bottom shelf, never to be touched or returned to the Librarby.
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Snake Maze posted:They turn into an optional superboss. Looks like Brawlsei's back on the menu
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Oxxidation posted:on further consideration, i'm more certain that ralsei's intentions are on the level, because it'd make the really unwholesome thing about him stand out even more. he's a sympathy trap. the kid is laser-calibrated to be appealing to players, especially ones coming from undertale, but it's become increasingly clear that kris doesn't particularly like them at all - and probably for the same reason the players do, ie his resemblance to asriel - and our well-meaning hugs and compliments to him are probably extremely unpleasant from kris's perspective In many ways Ralsei is the exact same sort of sympathy trap as Asgore. The difference is that you get much stronger indications that people don't like Asgore for the act he's doing, including from Kris.
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# ? Sep 24, 2021 21:54 |
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Flesnolk posted:Is there an equivalent to holding down C to skip dialogue on PS4? on my xbox controller for pc it's holding down Y so I'm assuming Triangle on PS4?
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Terper posted:And potentially even How To Draw Dragons, left on the bottom shelf, never to be touched or returned to the Librarby. Oh god, that's probavbly going to come up in Chapter 3. Anyway, I read on the wiki that the Rouxls Kaard battle has some unique actions if you made a duck in chapter 1 (Apparently the duck falls in love with the swan boat and refuses to attack), but I couldn't find any video of that on youtube. Does anyone have a clip of that? I did find this video of what happens if you lose, which is pretty funny: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iAKxoNEzbJo
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Blockhouse posted:on my xbox controller for pc it's holding down Y so I'm assuming Triangle on PS4? It’s triangle, yeah. Also is it just me or are there some weird moments of slowdown in the PS4 version?
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Tried triangle, nothing happened
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Ralsei seems desperate to please kris, entirely aware of the player, and obviously concerned about his role and the role of other darkeners. I figure that he’s not evil, he was just somehow made/given life by kris without our intervention (possibly by accident) and is currently trying really hard to figure out how to placate the player, help his creator, fulfill his role in the prophecy, and, along the way, make kris adore him back. A darker interpretation would be that he wants kris to love him and will happily accept the player’s adoration as transmitted through the questionably willingly controlled Kris in lieu of the real deal.
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# ? Sep 24, 2021 22:08 |
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Flesnolk posted:Tried triangle, nothing happened You have to hold it to skip through dialogue
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# ? Sep 24, 2021 22:09 |
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comedy option is ralsei seeking to cover the world in darkness as the earth is destroyed re: his prophecy but this is literally what all affected or involved want anyway so it remains unironically good. The only tricks are to ensure the darkness is his so that others don't mess it up
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Flesnolk posted:Tried triangle, nothing happened Try holding B
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# ? Sep 24, 2021 22:12 |
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Larryb posted:You have to hold it to skip through dialogue Did
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Nostalgamus posted:Oh god, that's probavbly going to come up in Chapter 3. "You lose" "Battle won!" Is a real good joke.
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