yeah, for every self-absorbed actor there’s going to be a programmer who believes themselves to be the pinnacle of intellectual thought
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exe cummings fucked around with this message at 18:41 on Sep 29, 2021 |
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stop saying ”puter”, you’re not twelve
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Kernel Sanders posted:stop saying ”puter”, you’re not twelve interviewing: stop saying 'puter, start saying 'crooter Quackles fucked around with this message at 09:29 on Sep 29, 2021 |
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stop saying puter, start saying putter. Management material!
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theflyingexecutive posted:thanks for all the advice and I'm excited but timid at the idea of saying that my wrangling of actors of various status would translate into a professional field. is this just a case of impostor syndrome I need to suppress? yes quote:is there a hierarchy of product/project management where I would be given the ability to learn the specificities of the role under more senior leadership or is it more sink or swim type? in my experience, which might not be universal, product managers have leveling and project managers don't really.
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PIZZA.BAT posted:i'm 100% convinced that "agile" is the worst thing to happen to white collar productivity in the history of white collar work. it's mind boggling how many people it can suck into a year long project to change the location of a button on a screen
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i have never been in a good agile project and i *still* think the vague efforts to be agile were largely forces for good.
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Cybernetic Vermin posted:i have never been in a good agile project and i *still* think the vague efforts to be agile were largely forces for good.
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Gazpacho posted:agile is fine, there is no process on earth that can force results out of a team that is incapable, indifferent, or sabotaged SAFe is the latter category surely
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ive seen SAFe multiple times recently but still have no idea what is it
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cinci zoo sniper posted:ive seen SAFe multiple times recently but still have no idea what is it it’s a grift to sell consultants supposedly it also helps steer software projects with hundreds of people but I’ve never seen any evidence to support this claim
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I’ve been told that the DoD and other US federal organizations started adopting [A|a]gile practices awhile ago and also require the same of their contractors. At my last job this manifested as micrograined jira tasks tracked to 6 minutes of resolution. You couldn’t shoot the poo poo with your team lead without a jira. It was horrible and made any experimental development impossible. We all became crank turners constantly overrunning task budgets by 50+%. To combat this they tried adopting an exponential story point system that had a wildly fluctuating definition of what a base unit of work was. Half the team left for better jobs within a year myself included. Current job does agile as well for the same reason. It’s still relatively new at this company, but it’s far more relaxed. We do stands ups, two week sprints, retrospectives, and tasks are estimated as 1 story point per day to complete. Sometimes stuff rolls over to the next sprint and no one is crying about velocity. There’s some benefits to it but it feels a bit wonky on projects that aren’t stuff like consumer facing web apps. As always, a good process won’t work if being driven by bad management.
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At my old job one of the best things we did for my team was junk the point system and go by Monte Carlo for throughput. The team was stable in regards to members and lo and behold our throughput on Jira cards was remarkably consistent across sprints. The benefit was no longer having to waste time arguing about point value on cards and just trusting the teams to adequately break down the work in planning and refinement.
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yup. my current team doesn't touch points or anything close to the concept in a trust-us-its-not-points-but-we-still-need-estimates way. we just dole out some tickets at the beginning of the sprint and break down any that seem to be too large. it's worked fine despite that our teams are still massively bloated where we have just as many people on the team responsible for "running" our ceremonies as there are developers. agile is make-work for middle managers who can't get promoted imo it's not my money so i don't care and they don't hold me back either so again, i don't care. but yeah when i said worse for productivity i meant in a work done per man hours kind of way. it's so good at just sucking in tons and tons of people who do nothing of value at all
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i don't even have a vague good "feeling" for agile, companies almost universslly use the concept to bloat middle management and stick their fingers in way more pies. PI planning gives managers an opportunity to walk around and see what projects they have nothing to do with are up to. Then they give input that should have been given months ago to teams that already did a lot of planning. Points are almost always used to push people to work harder and hold them to what are supposed to be estimates. It's full of pointless jargon to make it seem like some sort of fancy system but it isn't anything ground breaking. Maybe in an ideal world there's a company that actually puts the agile manifesto into real practice but I've never seen it. It's more like a cudgel. By far my favorite way to work is to just be able to freely pull from a bucket of prioritized tickets. I hate sprint planning, retrospective, ticket refinements, etc etc etc. Why are there so many loving meetings. It's an app. It doesn't need the input of 23 people before we can decide if the background should be blue or grey
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also people touching roles include "business analyst" and "scrum master" agile training/certificates are not super expensive and it's a good grift.
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Kernel Sanders posted:stop saying ”puter”, you’re not twelve yeah the correct term is compy
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Shaggar posted:yeah the correct term is compy absolutely not
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Cybernetic Vermin posted:i have never been in a good agile project and i *still* think the vague efforts to be agile were largely forces for good. agile has a ton of stuff built in to try to deflect the most harmful project management fuckups. of course that doesnt prevent a company from ignoring all those things and loving it all up anyway.
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Lol @ recruiters who want me to find time on their calendar to talk to them. I got 5 other people trying to call me I ain't taking an extra step for NOONE
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alright, i think I've reworked my resume into something approaching hr jargon, any big obvious fuckups or omissions?
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a dingus posted:Lol @ recruiters who want me to find time on their calendar to talk to them. I got 5 other people trying to call me I ain't taking an extra step for NOONE when recruiters do that I just read it as a signal that they're terrible at their jobs and are shotgunning requests to the entire world rather than actually contacting people with anything approaching personal care
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Shaggar posted:yeah the correct term is compy The only good compy's are the ones that ate John Hammond
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kill your objective and replace it with a summary. if you really want an objective statement, make it to-the-point and meaningful. there's a lot of fat and i'm pretty sure once it's trimmed it'd say "objective: do work" turn your work history into bullet points. don't say "responsible for X", say "Xed". each X (or series of related X,Y) gets its own bullet point. recruiters will not read through a paragraph that's mostly filler skills at the top - that's the first thing recruiters care about. you basically want code:
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Achmed Jones posted:kill your objective and replace it with a summary. seconding all of this also, if you think you might be / to preempt getting auto filtered out by the machines (are they even doing that anymore?), break microsoft office into each product so when the machine looks for “excel” it finds it, and consider the same for anything else that could keyword match
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Should I include project budgets on my resume? I was the tech lead for a client project who had a yearly budget of around 600,000 and I'm wondering if I should try to drop that in somewhere or leave it off. 4 years of experience, so going for midlevel jobs
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in techland peeps mostly use lever or greenhouse (both will have hosted jobs pages with an immediately recognizable style) to do ats. both these peeps have marginally more competent search peeps than shittier ats's (not good, just... marginally more competent) everyone else uses so the keyword matching poo poo doesnt work very well greenhouse has a dealio for filtering based upon questions they give you up front in the jobs page application https://support.greenhouse.io/hc/en-us/articles/203105595-Application-rules-overview same deal for lever but iirc at a higher price point. so that's what this is, could become auto filtering into a trash bin or auto categorization etc etc internally, i know lever likes to think of themselves as the platform for employers who actually have to compete for employees. that makes everyone treat you much better in every way, lol keyword stuffing has been anticipated for in every ats major, including the less tech-involved ones.
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Achmed Jones posted:kill your objective and replace it with a summary. mod saas posted:seconding all of this thank you! rewriting now
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CPColin posted:The only good compy's are the ones that ate John Hammond I was so mad that didn’t happen in the movie
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and next question: is it worth dumping several thousand dollars into a PM training course, especially due to my lack of directly applicable experience? I was recommended Product School, which at $6k is the bulk of my savings.
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Don't do that first thing.
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Absolutely do not spend 6k on training
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PokeJoe posted:Absolutely do not spend 6k on training
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If you read those linked articles above,quote:My understanding is that there are well over 100,000 people that have become Certified Scrum Product Owners (CSPO). Nothing wrong with that. In fact, I’ve encouraged countless product managers to get this training. If I were you I'd find a pdf of a scrum master book and read it to learn enough of the jargon. Then just apply apply apply. If that doesn't work you can get a scrum master certification for a few hundred bucks and maybe network w a few other people getting a cert for job leads. E: the certs expire too so it's not like everyone working has one. they're literally just a badge that says you passed a quiz on the book materials, at least for the safe ones PokeJoe fucked around with this message at 22:24 on Sep 29, 2021 |
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get a job and get job to pay for it 9 months in or whatever
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PokeJoe posted:If you read those linked articles above, any recs? also thank you all, I will not be spending six thousand united states dollars on pm training
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pm training is learning what “zero-inbox” means and how to do it, with a refresher on key functions of google calendar
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Here's some of what that article is mentioning, I don't have much experience with it specifically: https://www.scrum.org/professional-scrum-competencies/understanding-and-applying-scrum-framework It does link to a nice scrum guide though https://scrumguides.org/scrum-guide.html The SAFe stuff people are mentioning is a bunch of stuff, here's the scrum master course i took: https://scaledagile.com/training/safe-scrum-master/ you can find pdfs for these various SAFe courses around the internet to peruse. theres a bunch of them so you can look for one that matches the job/skills you want/have but since you have real experience people herding if you read a book and wrangle your way into an interview you could probably get a job without paying for a cert. it's at least worth a try before you spend your life savings on an online class. you can always give up and then pay for something later but if 6k is all you got i'd imagine you don't want to toss it all away to learn what a burn down chart is
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awesome thanks for the resources. I was considering the course less for what it could actually teach me and more about demonstrating to a hiring manager that I was serious about it/ have some competency in the language and methods and potentially if the program had networking/counseling opportunities built in
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