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sponges posted:Neither are ideal. I don’t like looking at the bottom of screen constantly as you’re obviously meant to look at the people speaking. You're underestimating your brain, it can easily do both with even a little training.
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MiddleOne posted:You're underestimating your brain, it can easily do both with even a little training. Yeah. To me it's reading subtitles and watching the screen is essentially seamless.
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punk rebel ecks posted:Yeah. To me it's reading subtitles and watching the screen is essentially seamless. 
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MiddleOne posted:You're underestimating your brain, it can easily do both with even a little training. I read one word a minute
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It's not ideal for people who have reading disabilities or who just don't read very fast, yeah.
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sponges posted:I read one word a minute Now I need to know what the story is behind that very unfortunate profile pic But yeah, obviously if you have any kind of reading disability subtitles fall into that basket.
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Avoiding subtitles due to disabilities is perfectly fine and understandable. The issue is that so many people don't bother with subtitles because "lol reading" so they watch dubs where the acting quality and translation don't fit and aren't up to par.
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So if I enjoyed Squid Game, Train to Busan, and #Alive, what other Korean show should I watch on Netflix?
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punk rebel ecks posted:So if I enjoyed Squid Game, Train to Busan, and #Alive, what other Korean show should I watch on Netflix? Kingdom is a fun medieval zombie series, nothing too deep Snowpiercer if you haven’t already, that’s another Bomg Joonho thinly-veiled class warfare movie, this one being dystopian future sci-fi Holy poo poo there’s a lot of Korean shows on Netflix and I haven’t heard of 99% of them Steve Yun fucked around with this message at 08:25 on Oct 2, 2021 |
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Oh some more cultural context about Squid Game Giheon’s mom says that she had to cancel her insurance and can’t afford surgery Korea’s national health care is actually pretty good. Everyone who is employed pays a base fee of $100 a month (more if you’re rich, less if you’re poor). It covers most things, but there is a copay, and if you have a major surgery it can be thousands of dollars. Which is a whole heck of a lot better than in the US where major surgeries might mean selling your house. You can’t cancel your insurance in Korea. It’s always on all the time for everyone. What the mom cancelled was supplemental insurance. The fact that she couldn’t afford surgery means that she was so poor that she couldn’t afford thousands of dollars.
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Steve Yun posted:Oh some more cultural context about Squid Game gently caress do I hate Gi-hun more and more.
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Random Squid Game trivia Everyone’s death is foreshadowed in their brief return to the outside world. The gangster jumps off a bridge. Sangwoo contemplates suicide in a tub. The old man has a conversation with Giheon. Ali steals a bag of money and runs away. The delinquent girl threatens to stab someone in the neck. Technically there was a way for both partners to win at marbles. The rule said they have to acquire their partner’s 10 marbles. It did not say they have to possess 20 marbles. The wording of the rule seems deliberate. Nobody was capable of conceiving the cooperative solution. Kill or be killed is just assumed to be the only option.
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Everyone already knows Parasite rules, but if you’re into something a bit slower and more atmospheric/thoughtful, Burning is probably one of the best movies I’ve seen
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I haven't seen the show so I don't have a squid in this race, but the word on the street is that Squid Game has a relatively lackluster translation. E.g.: https://twitter.com/ymmayer/status/1443615642385592324 But it's always hard to know with these things unless you speak the language since you can usually find someone to complain about any translation if you look hard enough.
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Google Butt posted:Are fan made subs a thing? They are. Probably not for a popular Netflix show that just got dropped though. They also kinda suck compared to the professional product. Translation is often not as straightforward as some might wish. I would go as far as to say that translation is in itself a form of adaptation. EDIT: Like I feel the examples the twitter user give just reinforce my point, she is haggling over words being different but is the meaning actually different to a western english reader. I would say not. https://twitter.com/ymmayer/status/1443671264091152396?s=20 MiddleOne fucked around with this message at 17:13 on Oct 1, 2021 |
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Google Butt posted:Are fan made subs a thing? Absolutely. Huge, especially when fans think the official translation wasn't very accurate.
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But maybe and I mean maybe, the wrongly translated English subtitle version made the show better since everyone loves it so much now. Anything is possible and since I don’t speak Korean I’m going with I saw the superior version.
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For those who weren't teenagers a decade ago, let me introduce you to the peak of fan translation: 
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Translator's Note: pinku (that's Japanese for pink)
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So we shouldnt watch it, according to a twitter guy. That's kind of them to warn us. I'm glad I didn't waste my time.
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Collateral posted:So we shouldnt watch it, according to a twitter guy. That's kind of them to warn us. Mods???
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Steve Yun posted:Random Squid Game trivia Jesus gently caress, that loop hole seems so obvious now. They should have had one random character figure that loophole out while everyone else just  .TychoCelchuuu posted:I haven't seen the show so I don't have a squid in this race, but the word on the street is that Squid Game has a relatively lackluster translation. E.g.: I can understand that. Squid Game is the Final Fantasy VII of Korean media, so it would make sense if it had a poor translation. Google Butt posted:Are fan made subs a thing? A good example is "My Little Witch Academia" which had a fansub for the second half due to the delay. The fansub was also widely believed to have the superior translation. It's completely understood why fansubs got a bad wrap (e.g. "nakama") but they can at times result in a more accurate and punchy translation. MiddleOne posted:They are. Probably not for a popular Netflix show that just got dropped though. Steve Yun already said all these things, except "Go Away!", which does seem arbitrary. As while she may have said "What are you looking at?", the tone doesn't seem to be as confrontational. MiddleOne posted:For those who weren't teenagers a decade ago, let me introduce you to the peak of fan translation: The thing was that this is all we had. Shows either took forever to get released, were heavily edited, or didn't get released at all. It's insane how different it is being an anime fan in the 20s compared to the 00s. Netflix alone would cause fans to scream. Crunchyroll would give them a heartattack.
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Funniest thing is the "people die when they are killed" kinda makes sense as a translation, just not in the anime (which is in itself a adaptation). Linking the obligatory translation content before we leave this topic: 
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Google Butt posted:Are fan made subs a thing?
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I made this post on Reddit about Gi-Hun and how people are too harsh on him due to what he went through in his past, and it got downvoted into oblivion:quote:The issue is due to time and well he is a fully grown man. Yes he has gone through traumatic things, but at the end of the day he is an adult with responsibilities. It's understandable if he fell by the way side or even continues to limp today, but his actions are literally killing (or more accurately have killed) his mother. MiddleOne posted:Funniest thing is the "people die when they are killed" kinda makes sense as a translation, just not in the anime (which is in itself a adaptation). I find it amusing when lawyers do the "Lawyer Reacts to X" thing on Youtube and they get to Ace Attorney. They can't decide what is incorrect due to Japanese law and what is incorrect due to anime.
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TychoCelchuuu posted:I haven't seen the show so I don't have a squid in this race, but the word on the street is that Squid Game has a relatively lackluster translation. E.g.: I dunno about some of the complaints. Like the sharing vs lack of ownership thing, it sounds like it's a part of Korean culture that you're just not going to get across to an English speaking audience in a single line. Same with the being smart but not being able to take time to study since this would make sense to Koreans but not to say, Americans. It sounds to me like the translators just went with a line that's less clunky to English ears even though it cuts out the Korean context that non-Koreans wouldn't get anyway.
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These are the same arguments that the Catholic church had over translating the Mass to vernacular languages, and there are still people who insist that the Mass should only ever be done in Latin. It's fine to have a preference, or to point out some of the nuances that might be lost on non-native speakers, but don't be that rear end in a top hat who screams "HERESY!" while people are trying to enjoy a TV show. I like Squid Games, but it's not some sort of sacred canon.
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MiddleOne posted:Now I need to know what the story is behind that very unfortunate profile pic I wanted a cartoon skull for some reason and google gave me that. I didn’t realize until later that it was used by the loving Waffen SS. I should probably change it.
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It’s not really fair to say that they are bad translations, which is why I didn’t link that girl’s post when I saw it Most of this cultural context stuff can’t be translated into English without paragraphs explaining them, which is not realistic for a tv show Better to just come to a forum and read these notes like LOTR trivia to enrich the show
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They should put translator notes with several sentences at the top of the screen like anime fansubs.
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Oh BTW Netflix will change live subtitles on anime all the time based on feedback and I noticed they already changed some of the subtitles for Squid Game When the married couple realize they’re playing marbles against each other they used to say “oh boy” but now they say “Honey…”
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Steve Yun posted:Random Squid Game trivia I thought of this too but in practice I'm not sure it was feasible. Generally because all the marbles look the same, and it would be difficult to clearly establish you actually won your opponents marbles. Even if you just swapped bags. I think you would have to rules lawyer your judge to clearly establish that you were both playing a game, and that your ten marbles were leaving your possession to your opponents. It would have been interesting to see play out, if only because I think the obvious judge reply would be to say there's no clear exchange. That or they possibly wouldn't accept the official 10/10 swap until time expired. I had a similar wonder about the tug of war, if one team somehow ran forward enough and bailed, causing enough slack on their side to not cause the flag to clearly go over to the opponent, but then be pulled over and down with them as they fell. The risk of course the judges just cutting them off anyway. Basically I think the judgments are fairly arbitrary anyway, and you're really having to hope the Front Man or the VIPs sign off on your maneuver. Which they might, if only because your high for playing them would get crushed in the next game.
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Just checked out Squid Game finally. Amazing show. It's so good to see the death games genre getting some real mainstream appeal.
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Macdeo Lurjtux posted:I will watch all his series as long as he keeps putting Rahul in them. I also enjoy some Rahul in Bly Manor but his accent is kind of frustrating at times. In the span of 2 sentences he'll say several phrases that sound like a perfect American accent, then a few that aren't quite there. I dunno, it's kinda fun seeing the other random Flanagan actors show up to try some other part as well. Honestly the whole thing seems like stage theater to some degree, and I like it, despite not enjoying dramatic stage theater. I can't explain myself.
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Many Saints of Newark was so insanely pointless
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Tim Whatley posted:Many Saints of Newark was so insanely pointless Yeah. A typical episode of the show told a more complete story.
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No One Gets Out Alive was a routine horror movie, but that monster design and the idea behind it was incredible. I really can't think of anything to say about the movie other than that the monster was great. Guilty was intense. I don't know how many other actors could sell it like Jake Gyllenhaal did; yeah there's scenery chewing but it's mostly him in basically a sound booth. Minor spoilers for the ending, since all the action happens off screen the line of people waiting their turn to tell us what happened to each character got less believable as it went on. Like they could have filmed multiple resolutions for each person and used some RNG to give each Netflix viewer a unique ending... and all they'd need to change is one line a character says. Or leave out a line entirely.
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