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Oct 4, 2021 16:26
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Yesss an alpha in active development for more than 10 years.
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Oct 4, 2021 16:38
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Everyone knows it takes at LEAST a decade, maybe two, to get any game running higher than 20fps, that's just Science.
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Oct 4, 2021 16:40
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Of course!
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Oct 4, 2021 16:47
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skeletors_condom posted:So someone on the SC I applaud that the person doing analysis seemed pretty objective about it. I was wondering what similar games might require. From https://www.pcgamer.com/apex-legends-tick-rate/ I see for, say, Apex Legends: quote:Battle(non)sense shows that Apex Legends runs at a server tick rate of 20Hz, fairly common (but not ideal) in online games so from that, I think it's fair to say that Star Citizen uses 20x more bandwidth than Apex Legends, and 120x more bandwidth than Fortnite. I believe the outbound data transfer price on AWS (i.e., AWS to the public internet) is something like $0.10/GB? Assuming they have one fifty-player server running continuously... 1Gbps * 1 month = ~300 TB/month 300TB/month * $0.10/GB = $30,000 per month per server.. That number seems too ridiculously large even for crobear, so take that with a huge grain of salt. Still..  please please buy another Idris, jesus christ.
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Oct 4, 2021 16:54
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made a basic analysis of SC's networking performance during the Xenofail event.
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Glad to see anecdotal experiences have become the norm for arguments on the Spectrum
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Oct 4, 2021 16:54
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If someone gets stable fps between 20-30 the game is more than playable. Slide shows are less than 10. I know people are obsessed with more than 60fps and getting over 100 and unless they get that its a slideshow. But as someone who managed to play Arma 3 for hundreds of hours with between 20-30 fps, R6 siege at 20, etc it is more than playable if you like the game and is in no way a slide show. 30-40 fps is plenty to enjoy the game fully with no issues. Stable fps is the key part not fps number. I can hit over 70 in some places, but in landing zones or at events it often sits between 30-40 at 2k but then in places it goes up to 80-90 at landing zones. Literally no issues enjoying the game if your fps is under 40. My average says 40 and yet for most of the time it is 40-70, but I just visit landing zones often. The telemetry is not very accurate and should only be taken as a reference and not gospel. So all you sound like is an fps snob. Plenty of people enjoy the game between 20-40 fps. Many games have cutscenes running at 30fps, and yet somehow they aren't slideshows. marumaru fucked around with this message at 17:07 on Oct 4, 2021 |
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Oct 4, 2021 16:58
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skeletors_condom posted:Enjoying the 20 FPS experience I can confirm that 20 fps can be tolerable if you're used to it (at least if it is stable 20 fps, which in store citizer, lol). At some point while working on my stupid RTS hobby project, I had it locked to 20 fps for quite some time. When I finally unfucked it so it can update at 20 fps and render at whatever and seeing it in 60 fps, I could not believe how unbelievably lovely that 20 fps experience was. While I was used to it, it was kind of tolerable, but trying it after 60fps it was  . However, at no point I would defend that 20 fps as being acceptable
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Oct 4, 2021 17:03
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commando in tophat posted:I can confirm that 20 fps can be tolerable if you're used to it (at least if it is stable 20 fps, which in store citizer, lol). At some point while working on my stupid RTS hobby project, I had it locked to 20 fps for quite some time. When I finally unfucked it so it can update at 20 fps and render at whatever and seeing it in 60 fps, I could not believe how unbelievably lovely that 20 fps experience was. While I was used to it, it was kind of tolerable, but trying it after 60fps it was For most games I'm fine with about 40 fps. 30 is noticeable choppy. When I went from a 60Hz monitor to a 75Hz monitor I could clearly see the difference when playing a super fast game like Doom, but between 40-60 is just fine by me for gaming. 20 fps is way too low to accept these days.
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Oct 4, 2021 17:07
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skeletors_condom posted:Enjoying the 20 FPS experience quote:None of this will be a problem when server meshing gets sorted out. whos gonna tell him
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Oct 4, 2021 17:09
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quote:The quality of your internet connection has a lot to do with your experience of the game. People insist they have 'fast' internet but speed is not the issue - reliability is. Drop-outs happen, ISP's throttle and even pause connections Star Citizen is very sensitive to connection drop-out's far more than any other game.
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Oct 4, 2021 17:18
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that person still living in 2004 or what basically everyone is on fiber now.
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Oct 4, 2021 17:42
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https://i.imgur.com/p0WJk3h.mp4
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Oct 4, 2021 17:53
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https://twitter.com/Foone/status/1444801344477405188 Yeah, NFTs are cool, but have you ever heard about StarCitizen?
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Oct 4, 2021 18:13
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Honestly at this point the wavy hands man should just make some promises about blockchain whatever at citizen con. Why not? Probably good for goosing out another few million
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Oct 4, 2021 18:15
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Mirificus posted:
This has been the state of networking in games since day 1. I find it hard to believe that even Storer Citizer would have no client side prediction. Otherwise that puts it in the same category as extremely sophisticated platforms like... BYOND  Of course having the client predict things would only be possible in game that is just a mere fascimile of a real, breathing world. There's no possible way a client could predict, for example, the way micro-turbulence is cancelled out by the advanced engine God Tech in your Idris (or maybe a Cutlass Black if you're a man of, shall we say, less refined tastes  also its DEFINITELY NOT NO CLIP i don't know why you fudsters keep saying that). So anyhow yeah this all makes sense and everything is as-expected. Check your house for copper and come back when you have at least 150Mbps fiber, scrub.Next week... CIG has teamed up with Google to use their revolutionary networking technology in Stadia, solving latency issues everywhere for all time.
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Oct 4, 2021 18:24
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No Mods No Masters posted:Honestly at this point the wavy hands man should just make some promises about blockchain whatever at citizen con. Why not? Probably good for goosing out another few million Citizencoin! Invest today!
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Oct 4, 2021 18:36
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BiggestOrangeTree posted:It's not that other studios don't bother with it, it's that anyone can try it and see that it produces a horrible moiré pattern which anyone could tell you who's done 3d graphics in the last couple of decades. It's a detail that makes the result look less realistic than if you'd just skipped it. The thing that bugs me the most is that in the hyper-future of this game, the idea that screens would have noticeable pixels is hilarious. This reminds me of my dogs. One is this just this wall of muscle, while the other has a sort of skinny build like a greyhound (they're both rescue mutts, with the latter sort of looking like a cross between a husky and greyhound). When we first got them as puppies, the latter was a few months older (and thus larger). This seems to have permanently ingrained a relationship between them, where the first dog is constantly deferential to the latter. Btw I normally don't like the "post random animal pictures/gifs in threads" thing, but this thread has some pretty great choices. Ytlaya fucked around with this message at 19:06 on Oct 4, 2021 |
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Oct 4, 2021 19:00
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Dwesa posted:AdzAdama might be one day replaced by neural networks I hope he keeps doing what he does. There's a message in his works. I don't know exactly what, but it speaks.
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Oct 4, 2021 20:15
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cmdrk posted:
Server meshing with negative latency coming soon!
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Oct 4, 2021 20:54
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marumaru posted:that person still living in 2004 or what I live in the US and it is impossible for me to get fiber where I am. I'm on DSL. I would have to pay literally thousands to get cable.
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Oct 4, 2021 20:54
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I hate to say you should have thought about this before purchasing tens of thousands of dollars worth of space ships, but I want to remind you that you are supporting a project and not a final result. So please keep in mind how your contributions are advancing gaming for the whole world even if you can’t immediately enjoy the fruits of that labor due to living in a shack or whatever.
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Oct 4, 2021 21:16
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.random posted:I hate to say you should have thought about this before purchasing tens of thousands of dollars worth of space ships, but I want to remind you that you are supporting a project and not a final result. So please keep in mind how your contributions are advancing gaming for the whole world even if you can’t immediately enjoy the fruits of that labor due to living in a shack or whatever. I don't play Star Citizen, the high speed internet coverage in the US is just shittier than you seem to think it is. https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-02-19/where-the-u-s-underestimates-the-digital-divide Article's a year old, but still relevant.
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Oct 4, 2021 21:23
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Midnight Voyager posted:I don't play Star Citizen, the high speed internet coverage in the US is just shittier than you seem to think it is. Sorry, this was what I thought was a very obvious troll and now I feel bad. I am not judging your internet and I know internet in the US is sadly garbage 
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Oct 4, 2021 21:29
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People routinely spend hundreds and thousands of dollars on jpegs for this game but you can't expect them to be rich enough to buy a computer that can run games
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Oct 4, 2021 21:33
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cmdrk posted:
You see Star engine is the most powerful engine ever built, it only downside is that it's only 6% efficient and runs by burning a mix of crushed dreams and $100 dollar notes. I think an entry level base subscription of $600 dollars a month is ok, so long as there are higher level subscription packages for the more sophisticated backers who don't have as much time.
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Oct 4, 2021 21:53
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Beexoffel posted:I hope he keeps doing what he does. There's a message in his works. I don't know exactly what, but it speaks. It's easily the most creativity in the whole Star Citizen space - not that that's saying much.
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Oct 4, 2021 21:53
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DigitalPenny posted:You see Star engine is the most powerful engine ever built, it only downside is that it's only 6% efficient and runs by burning a mix of crushed dreams and $100 dollar notes that have ftfy
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Oct 4, 2021 21:58
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Midnight Voyager posted:I live in the US and it is impossible for me to get fiber where I am. I'm on DSL. I would have to pay literally thousands to get cable. DSL is plenty fast for online games. At least mine is, maybe because the main receiving station or whatever you call it is only about 20 yards from my front door. Apparently it's fiber but I use DSL to connect to it so it's limited to DSL speeds. With any other game that would be fine though, I've played countless online games and never experienced a hint of lag in any of them. As usual, sounds like a star citizen problem not an internet problem. What else can you call it if your connection is sufficient for EVERYTHING except this one game
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Oct 4, 2021 22:14
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.random posted:Sorry, this was what I thought was a very obvious troll and now I feel bad. I am not judging your internet and I know internet in the US is sadly garbage LOL Tone on the internet is hard. Play posted:DSL is plenty fast for online games. At least mine is, maybe because the main receiving station or whatever you call it is only about 20 yards from my front door. Apparently it's fiber but I use DSL to connect to it so it's limited to DSL speeds. With any other game that would be fine though, I've played countless online games and never experienced a hint of lag in any of them. Mine sure as hell isn't because there's no competition so they just let the lines rot through. That's more of an AT&T problem though.
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Oct 4, 2021 22:36
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Don't sleep on getting that IDRIS!
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Oct 4, 2021 23:31
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Got a fairly good PC rig and if a game came out that gave me 20fps I would be requesting a refund in under ten minutes. I mean, I have a 144hz monitor and that's not even that good by the latest standards. Christ, even a CRT did 50hz. Star Citizen hierarchy of niche-ness... each one of these layers reduces the potential player base. But of course it will be a global smash hit game: 1) Space game 2) Survival game 3) Permadeath 4) Real money transactions / pay to win 5) Subscription 6) Simulation 7) Sandbox 8) Lag is normal 9) Needs a nuclear powered PC for 20fps 10) High cost of entry 11) Cult like playerbase 12) Unavoidable PVP 13) Death by constipation Gravity_Storm fucked around with this message at 05:16 on Oct 5, 2021 |
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Oct 5, 2021 05:14
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14) Chris Robert
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Oct 5, 2021 06:35
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Star Citizen.
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Oct 5, 2021 06:40
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This game was ousted as a joke by now right?
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Oct 5, 2021 07:04
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Jaxic posted:This game was ousted as a joke by now right? Depends who you ask. They've raised almost $400 m from crazy fan boys and casual players who got conned via false advertising.
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Oct 5, 2021 07:44
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Jaxic posted:This game was ousted as a joke by now right? The real joke is on us.
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Oct 5, 2021 08:27
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cmdrk posted:I applaud that the person doing analysis seemed pretty objective about it. I was wondering what similar games might require. I believe this is underselling the cost even. Obviously just a tad more people play Apex than SC, but Apex spends more than $30k/month on AWS just for marketplace transactions and related things. Given the inefficiency of data usage that we're seeing here for game servers, I would extend that to any other services (friends list, market purchases, etc.) and theorize that they would be spending a poo poo-ton on every server per month IF those servers actually had anyone in them and stayed running for more than a week.
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Oct 5, 2021 14:03
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skeletors_condom posted:So someone on the SC Yo I completely missed that holy poo poo  Those are some atrocious stats, for any game. 2 second peek advantage and 5fps server tickrate? That's garbage, even for an MMO.
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It may be garbage, but you can play garbage man in the verse.
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Oct 5, 2021 17:14
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C-Bangin' it 