Lostconfused posted:

Hexigrammus posted:

I agree it's probably a combination of things but I'm not willing to let go of glyphosate as the boogeyman quite yet. Glyphosate use didn't start to take off until the mid-1990s when the first RoundupReady gmo was released. Before then the U.S. was barely at 30 million pounds per year and farmers had a delicate balancing act between killing the weeds and killing their crop. By the mid 2000s glyphosate resistant weeds had evolved (who could have predicted this?) and somewhere along the line the practice of "field drying" beans and other crops started - killing the crop with glyphosate and letting it bake in the sun to save space in the barns and drying sheds. The U.S. is probably north of 230 millions pounds annually now.

The thing that worries me about glyphosate is that while it's true that mammals don't have a metabolic pathway it can impact fungus and bacteria do. Everything with a gut has a miniature ecosystem in it and is dependent on that ecosystem functioning properly. loving with gut flora is like loving with plankton; they're fundamental for higher life and it's not going to end well.

But I'm sure it's not a problem since glyphosate degrades in a few days in the environment without any weird breakdown products or anything. Correlation, cause, etc. Those monarch butterflies died with glyphosate, not of it.

Too lazy to look it up but I think they saw this too years ago with Bacillus thuringiensis. An oil or something they were using as a carrier was Not Good, kind of loving up its reputation as an organic pesticide.

The paper seems to be describing acute toxicity effects rather than what one would expect to see with chronic debilitating effects leading to things like colony collapse.

And I am aware that Colony Collapse Disorder and winter kill in honeybees are probably disease/parasite driven. I've managed to get my winter kill rate down to 30% like the professionals but jeez it's a crap shoot. There''s been a lot of interest lately in amateur beekeeping but there are a lot of colonies that haven't survived the first winter. It's a bit like bullfrog and chinchilla farms during the Great Depression - there's money to be made selling the starter kits but not much else. At least the local bumblebees are doing well. I wonder how much of that is due to the proliferation of the alien invasive Himalayan Giant blackberry?

Just got this from the library. Looks like a fun read.

Crunchy Black posted:

wow.

FistEnergy posted:

At this point I'll be genuinely surprised if we don't have widespread social unrest and major life changes for everyone by 2030

Chamale posted:

I wonder if the water authority is hoping the drought ends soon.

Chamale posted:

Acre-foot is the stupidest loving measurement. It's roughly 1,233,480 litres so I can just multiply by a million in my head.

That's a relatively small curtailment, I wonder if the water authority is hoping the drought ends soon.

Harold Fjord posted:

Lmao are you still mad about that.

There's much better things to be mad at

IAMKOREA posted:

I'll never stop being mad about industrial agriculture

IAMKOREA posted:

I'll never stop being mad

IAMKOREA posted:

I'll never stop

Laterite posted:

lol if we go to war with china to duck out of our debt and with mexico to duck out of our water treaty

Trainee PornStar posted:

Leroy Diplowski posted:

The poor fuckers die far later in the season fat and happy but their larvae will never survive in the greenhouse and each season skims more and more bees from the population until there are none left.

Hmmm..... Rings a bell....

bowser posted:

https://twitter.com/KensingtonRoyal/status/1449836495846707207?s=20

bowser posted:

https://twitter.com/KensingtonRoyal/status/1449836495846707207?s=20

Raine posted:

i might be on board with this

depends what kind of liquor an Earthshot is

BIG HEADLINE posted:

"Poor people, rejoice! I might have no real political power or influence, but I dropped out of a beloved princess and I (might) HAVE A PLAN."

Just another case of another rich rear end in a top hat coming to the realization that we're hosed and thinking their fame and name can fix the problem before *their* kids are directly impacted by it.

bowser posted:

Really nailing the Bond villain look.

bowser posted:

https://twitter.com/KensingtonRoyal/status/1449836495846707207?s=20

Really nailing the Bond villain look.

Laterite posted:

lol if we go to war with china to duck out of our debt and with mexico to duck out of our water treaty

Pryor on Fire posted:

The USA would definitely win the initial shootout with China, they have oriented half the navy and 90% of the air force towards winning this hypothetical battle they have all been planning for decades.

After that though, there is no plan. Probably just watching Taiwan get incinerated.

Jel Shaker posted:

i’m gonna need to see your working out there

Laterite posted:

iirc "the environment" has been Prince Charles' pet issue for quite some time so really it's generational regal futility at this point, which, lol

hobbesmaster posted:

Yes gentlemen, they are on their way in, and nobody can bring them back. For the sake of our country, and our way of life, I suggest you get the rest of SAC in after them. Otherwise, we will be totally destroyed by Red retaliation. My boys will give you the best kind of start, 1400 megatons worth, and you sure as hell won't stop them now. So let's get going, there's no other choice. God willing, we will prevail, in peace and freedom from fear, and in true health, through the purity and essence of our natural... fluids. God bless you all.

silicone thrills posted:

lmao this rules. This is exactly what the book I read about a year ago really went into

The Ends of the World: Volcanic Apocalypses, Lethal Oceans, and Our Quest to Understand Earth's Past Mass Extinctions
Peter Brannen

Highly recommend.

bowser posted:

https://twitter.com/KensingtonRoyal/status/1449836495846707207?s=20

Really nailing the Bond villain look.