[NYTimes & friends] "Free Palestine," one girl replied, flipping me off.

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Zerg Mans: Oct 19, 2006

AnimeIsTrash posted:

https://twitter.com/maggieNYT/status/1449196475041427458

Shut up bitch

# ? Oct 18, 2021 01:33

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# ? Jun 15, 2024 15:54

Source4Leko: Jul 25, 2007; Dinosaur Gum

zegermans posted:

Shut up bitch

# ? Oct 18, 2021 02:43

World War Mammories: Aug 25, 2006

AnimeIsTrash posted:

https://twitter.com/maggieNYT/status/1449196475041427458

maggie sucks but also it's not like the biden admin has been doing poo poo for outreach, lol, lmao

# ? Oct 18, 2021 02:59

Centrist Committee: Aug 6, 2019

lol I just noticed it is the BBB plan, democrats love to be terrible at everything including branding

# ? Oct 18, 2021 03:06

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# ? Oct 18, 2021 03:35

genericnick: Dec 26, 2012

Some Guy TT posted:

https://mobile.twitter.com/IChotiner/status/1449828798577270789

Lmao

# ? Oct 18, 2021 06:57

gradenko_2000: Oct 5, 2010; HELL SERPENT; Lipstick Apathy

https://twitter.com/DougJBalloon/status/1449094992509734917

# ? Oct 18, 2021 08:10

gradenko_2000: Oct 5, 2010; HELL SERPENT; Lipstick Apathy

hey look yet another article proving that MALCOLM GLADWELL IS A PIECE OF poo poo FRAUD HACK

https://www.latimes.com/opinion/story/2020-09-10/urban-legend-kitty-genovese-38-people

quote:

When I was growing up in New York City, everyone knew about Kitty Genovese. We all knew the story of the 28-year-old bar manager who had been robbed, raped and stabbed to death outside her apartment building in Queens in 1964 while 38 people watched or listened to her screams outside their apartments but did nothing to stop the attack.

It was more than just another tabloid murder; it was a morality tale � exhibit A for the argument that cities were alienating and dehumanizing, that there was no such thing as neighborhood or community, that people were cold, cruel, selfish, indifferent. Even today, Kitty Genovese�s name is still invoked not just in New York but around the world when people fail to come to each other�s aid in times of violence and trouble.

Thirty-eight witnesses, the New York Times said, and no one did anything over the 35 minutes the attack was taking place. Not one called the police while it was underway, even though Genovese was screaming, �Please help me. Please help me.� And why not? �I didn�t want to get involved,� one neighbor said.

It was an appalling story. It was also wrong.

Last week, we were reminded of that by the obituary of 92-year-old Sophia Farrar, who lived across the hall from Genovese in 1964, and who rushed to her side that day, forcing open a wedged door to the vestibule behind the building where the stabbing had taken place despite the obvious potential danger. Farrar found Genovese in a pool of blood, yelled for a neighbor to call the police and cradled the bleeding woman until the ambulance arrived, whispering, �Help is on the way.�

So what about the idea that no one cared or tried to help? What about the 38 cold, disinterested or fearful people who did nothing?

Let�s back up a moment. When Genovese died it was the New York Times that created the shocking narrative of indifference and apathy, with a front-page story two weeks after the murder that began: �For more than half an hour, 38 respectable, law-abiding citizens in Queens watched a killer stalk and stab a woman in three separate attacks in Kew Gardens.� The story � and the number 38 � apparently originated with a conversation between New York City�s police commissioner and Abe Rosenthal, then the paper�s city editor. But the number was substantially exaggerated and inadequately checked before being allowed in the paper.

Some stories become part of the zeitgeist because they seem to encapsulate some elusive truth or tell us something fundamental about human beings. That was the case with the Genovese story.

In the years that followed, psychologists and others wrote about the �Kitty Genovese effect� and the so-called �bystander effect,� which held that the greater the number of bystanders, the less likely any one of them will intervene. Good Samaritan laws were passed in New York and elsewhere to encourage people to help victims. The murder helped lead to the creation of the 911 system, and folk singer Phil Ochs wrote a song inspired by the incident. Genovese�s name has been cited more than 100 times in the Los Angeles Times. A Fordham University professor called the case �the most cited incident in social psychology literature until the Sept. 11 attacks of 2001.�

But though the story took root in the public consciousness, it fell apart on closer inspection. Books and documentaries began to question and then re-report the facts. In 2016, more than 50 years after the attack took place, an editor�s note was appended to the original story in the New York Times saying: �Later reporting by The Times and others has called into question significant elements of this account.�

In Farrar�s obituary in the New York Times last week, Sam Roberts wrote: �With the benefit of hindsight, the number of eyewitnesses turned out to have been exaggerated; none actually saw the attack completely; some who heard it thought it was a drunken brawl or a lovers� quarrel; and several people said they did call the police.�

Over the years, Kitty Genovese herself has been fleshed out as more than just a symbol. She worked as manager at a bar called Ev�s 11th Hour on Jamaica Avenue in Hollis, Queens. She frequented the folk music scene � on Monday nights she went to Gerde�s Folk City in Greenwich Village, with her partner, Mary Ann Zielonko. The two were lovers but in those inhospitable, pre-Stonewall days they lived together in Kew Gardens as �roommates.�

Winston Moseley, who confessed to the killing after being arrested five days later during a burglary, died in prison at age 81 in 2016.

Sophia Farrar died of pneumonia at her home in New Jersey.

Even all these years later, reading about the brutal murder of Kitty Genovese, who was just starting her adult life, is overwhelmingly sad.

But here�s one small consolation, at least: It is an enormous relief to learn that this classic narrative of human failing was in fact hyperbole. Even if it took decades to get the story right, it�s good to know that the reality was more nuanced than the urban legend.

Sure, some neighbors were scared, some were silent, some could and should have done more. But there were those who acted like friends, like neighbors, like heroes, even at risk to themselves.

Rest in peace, Sophia Farrar.

# ? Oct 18, 2021 08:40

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https://twitter.com/TheSun/status/589117872334577665?t=H3hXMcR7d15AlOdhvp-Ehw&s=19

# ? Oct 18, 2021 14:15

Lib and let die: Aug 26, 2004

Hot Karl Marx posted:

https://twitter.com/TheSun/status/589117872334577665?t=H3hXMcR7d15AlOdhvp-Ehw&s=19

Bodies?? In the water????????

# ? Oct 18, 2021 15:17

Scrub-Niggurath: Nov 27, 2007

let the bodies hit the shore
let the bodies hit the shore
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let the bodies hit the�

# ? Oct 18, 2021 15:31

John Charity Spring: Nov 4, 2009; SCREEEEE

it's a specific reference to actual photographs taken of dead migrants and asylum floating in the mediterranean after their boats capsized or sank, and saying that she doesn't give a gently caress about it

# ? Oct 18, 2021 15:34

Goa Tse-tung: Feb 11, 2008; ;3; Yams Fan

Scrub-Niggurath posted:

let the bodies hit the shore
let the bodies hit the shore
let the bodies hit the shore
let the bodies hit the�

lol

# ? Oct 18, 2021 15:39

Some Guy TT: Aug 30, 2011

https://twitter.com/myhlee/status/1450055903177101323

poor yakuza they just wanted to rape they just wanted to kill is that a crime

# ? Oct 18, 2021 15:41

Dreylad: Jun 19, 2001

gradenko_2000 posted:

hey look yet another article proving that MALCOLM GLADWELL IS A PIECE OF poo poo FRAUD HACK

i wonder if there's serious research into the bystander effect or this is another one of those Stockholm syndrome situations where everything gets spun out of one event that allows people to write broody paragraphs about the evil that lurks inside every human being to justify bombing another hospital or wedding

# ? Oct 18, 2021 15:48

mastershakeman: Oct 28, 2008; by vyelkin

Some Guy TT posted:

https://twitter.com/myhlee/status/1450055903177101323

poor yakuza they just wanted to rape they just wanted to kill is that a crime

# ? Oct 18, 2021 15:48

Casey Finnigan: Apr 30, 2009; Dumb ✔
So goddamn crazy ✔

aw man if the yakuza disappear from japan who is gonna beat the poo poo out of me when i can't pay back my loans

# ? Oct 18, 2021 15:52

MonsieurChoc: Oct 12, 2013; Every species can smell its own extinction.

Casey Finnigan posted:

aw man if the yakuza disappear from japan who is gonna beat the poo poo out of me when i can't pay back my loans

The police.

# ? Oct 18, 2021 16:03

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gradenko_2000 posted:

hey look yet another article proving that MALCOLM GLADWELL IS A PIECE OF poo poo FRAUD HACK

https://www.latimes.com/opinion/story/2020-09-10/urban-legend-kitty-genovese-38-people

whoa crazy that malcolm gladwell is defending the idea of standing idly by and ignoring a horrific crime you're witnessing i wonder why he feels that way

# ? Oct 18, 2021 16:06

brugroffil: Nov 30, 2015

Dreylad posted:

i wonder if there's serious research into the bystander effect or this is another one of those Stockholm syndrome situations where everything gets spun out of one event that allows people to write broody paragraphs about the evil that lurks inside every human being to justify bombing another hospital or wedding

I know first air/CPR training contains parts to combat the "bystander effect" where you're supposed to tell a specific person "you, go call 9/11. you, go get the AED" etc. Wonder how necessary it really is? Can't imagine that it's harmful in that case, though.

# ? Oct 18, 2021 16:46

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Dreylad posted:

i wonder if there's serious research into the bystander effect or this is another one of those Stockholm syndrome situations where everything gets spun out of one event that allows people to write broody paragraphs about the evil that lurks inside every human being to justify bombing another hospital or wedding

Just in case anyone thinks Stockholm Syndrome is based on a real thing, the actual case was every person who was supposed to be on the side of the hostages actually making themselves more of a danger to them than the hostage takers:

- The police did not give a poo poo about the hostages being in their line of fire, the hostage takers did
- The hostage negotiator (who later coined the term) did everything in his power to agitate the hostage takers
- The prime minister went all "If she dies, she dies", when criticized by a hostage who was trying to negotiate, deciding that she should feel honored to die at her post rather than the state give in to the hostage takers' demands

Karma got the PM in the end though.

# ? Oct 18, 2021 16:55

Dreylad: Jun 19, 2001

brugroffil posted:

I know first air/CPR training contains parts to combat the "bystander effect" where you're supposed to tell a specific person "you, go call 9/11. you, go get the AED" etc. Wonder how necessary it really is? Can't imagine that it's harmful in that case, though.

Definitely not a bad thing, and I'm sure people not wanting to help because they're already stressed out about their own lives or tired or whatever is a real thing, but also people tend to freeze up in stressful situations so that's a big part of it too.

# ? Oct 18, 2021 16:55

Wraith of J.O.I.: Jan 25, 2012

an all timer of a euphemism by joy here

https://twitter.com/joyannreid/status/1450095282427936768?s=21

# ? Oct 18, 2021 17:22

Vomik: Jul 29, 2003; This post is dedicated to the brave Mujahideen fighters of Afghanistan

Wraith of J.O.I. posted:

an all timer of a euphemism by joy here

https://twitter.com/joyannreid/status/1450095282427936768?s=21

Let's go Joanne.

# ? Oct 18, 2021 17:26

Doktor Avalanche: Dec 30, 2008

https://twitter.com/TarotofDeath/status/1450121386093998083

# ? Oct 18, 2021 18:44

Toplowtech: Aug 31, 2004

Doctor Jeep posted:

https://twitter.com/TarotofDeath/status/1450121386093998083

Oh jeeeeez, i wonder why the United States is not a State Party to the Rome Statute of the International Criminal Court. It's like they are afraid too many people may end up in La Hague.

# ? Oct 18, 2021 19:12

Muscle Wizard: Jul 28, 2011; by sebmojo

Some Guy TT posted:

https://twitter.com/myhlee/status/1450055903177101323

poor yakuza they just wanted to rape they just wanted to kill is that a crime

lol the noodle dude has gokushufudou books in his restaurants bathroom. ftw.

# ? Oct 18, 2021 19:54

Some Guy TT: Aug 30, 2011

https://mobile.twitter.com/leloveluck/status/1450046722634289155

ace timing managing to sneak this in a few days before colin powell died

# ? Oct 18, 2021 19:59

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Wraith of J.O.I. posted:

an all timer of a euphemism by joy here

https://twitter.com/joyannreid/status/1450095282427936768?s=21

lmao a picture with princess di

also, "shocking"? he was in his 80s and had cancer

# ? Oct 18, 2021 20:29

Some Guy TT: Aug 30, 2011

https://mobile.twitter.com/BobbyAllyn/status/1450126535877435396

# ? Oct 18, 2021 22:11

30.5 Days: Nov 19, 2006

Dreylad posted:

i wonder if there's serious research into the bystander effect or this is another one of those Stockholm syndrome situations where everything gets spun out of one event that allows people to write broody paragraphs about the evil that lurks inside every human being to justify bombing another hospital or wedding

The bystander effect is real, but the bystander is a bunch of people milling around feeling like they ought to do something but not really sure what. Especially in medical emergencies, people want to provide first aid but aren't sure how and are afraid of making the problem worse, especially with things like seizures where there's a confusing list of things that you shouldn't do. People are prepared to try something if they have to, but they hope that someone more knowledgeable is nearby and will take over. This can result in inaction. Generally speaking, especially now that everyone has a phone in their hand, everyone will call 911 without being asked, since it's something they know how to do.

By contrast, the claim about the bystander effect in the cited case is that people will just like go to the grocery store or whatever and not give a gently caress. Asin the case of stockholm syndrome it was specifically made up to help out the cops. Cops were all over the place back then claiming that people didn't call them, people didn't talk to them, if people were nice/trusted them more, all the crime problems would go away. So now you have a very public case of a white woman getting murdered over the course of 45 minutes and they were called almost immediately and didn't show up. So of course they had to find a way to blame the citizenry.

30.5 Days has issued a correction as of 22:26 on Oct 18, 2021

# ? Oct 18, 2021 22:23

KomradeX: Oct 29, 2011

brugroffil posted:

I know first air/CPR training contains parts to combat the "bystander effect" where you're supposed to tell a specific person "you, go call 9/11. you, go get the AED" etc. Wonder how necessary it really is? Can't imagine that it's harmful in that case, though.

It's probably useful just on a someones taking charge and organizing so you don't have half a dozen people calling 911 and looking for emergency supplies that maybe someone whose has already gotten.

# ? Oct 18, 2021 23:15

Vomik: Jul 29, 2003; This post is dedicated to the brave Mujahideen fighters of Afghanistan

i've seen someone get shot in broad daylight and i've seen 2 people get hit by a car (one on a bike) - in no situation did anyone just do nothing. the only bystander effect i can think of is crowds of people will just go show up and watch and stare at the bleeding, dying person - which is weird in itself

# ? Oct 18, 2021 23:21

Casey Finnigan: Apr 30, 2009; Dumb ✔
So goddamn crazy ✔

I saw someone pinned under a cab and people did get together to try to get the cab off the person and everything pretty quickly, but it didn't do any good and the emergency people just shooed them away anyway

Casey Finnigan has issued a correction as of 23:31 on Oct 18, 2021

# ? Oct 18, 2021 23:28

AnimeIsTrash: Jun 30, 2018; Can't post for 14 hours!

https://twitter.com/TheMattWain/status/1450043769554866180

# ? Oct 18, 2021 23:32

Casey Finnigan: Apr 30, 2009; Dumb ✔
So goddamn crazy ✔

also once I was randomly attacked by a guy in the subway and some other random guy came out of nowhere and beat the poo poo out of the guy who attacked me so idk about bystander effect

# ? Oct 18, 2021 23:42

30.5 Days: Nov 19, 2006

One time two ladies rolled out of a subway car after it stopped because one was trying to steal the others' phone, but nobody could figure out which was which because everything happened so fast so we all just kinda stared until the thief pulled out some pepper spray and sprayed it everywhere and then it was way too late.

# ? Oct 19, 2021 03:14

Zerg Mans: Oct 19, 2006

Wraith of J.O.I. posted:

an all timer of a euphemism by joy here

https://twitter.com/joyannreid/status/1450095282427936768?s=21

here's 3 pictures of him looking stately and one of him looking at lady di's rack

# ? Oct 19, 2021 14:02

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A man's ambition must indeed be small
To write his name upon a shithouse wall

Doctor Jeep posted:

https://twitter.com/TarotofDeath/status/1450121386093998083

(Very sabine mengele-eichmannishly) Look, ol' Grampa Dolphy kept himself to himself and spent most of his days living a quiet and peaceful life, yearning for freedom in my country, Venezuela. He wasn't a public figure. Please respect our privacy in this difficult time. Here is our gofundme if you wish to help us rebuild the family library, which mysteriously burnt down shortly after he had a heart attack.

# ? Oct 19, 2021 16:06

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Forecasters were largely blindsided by the problem and don�t know how long it will last.
https://twitter.com/ktbcolors/status/1450484278328905728
Forecasters were largely blindsided by the problem and don�t know how long it will last.

Kurgman was wrong AGAIN? HOW IS THIS POSSIBLE :shrug:

# ? Oct 19, 2021 16:31

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