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Nov 9, 2021 00:18
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I dunno I liked it you guys. No one asked for more Dexter, but here it is and damned if it doesn't feel exactly like it did before. Dexter meets another amazingly unstoppable rear end in a top hat, and happenstance delivers him another perfect murder, along with some creepy bits here and there. Once they don't have to spend time setting the stage, this show's gonna be Fine, I Guess, and I'll probably watch it. I can't remember where they left off at the series finale, though. Dexter took off to be a lumberjack, but did they ever discover his identity or was he just fleeing to protect his remaining loved ones from being around him? And what happened to Harrison? I vaguely remember he ended up moving to France or something with that girl who may or may not have poisoned Deb?
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Nov 9, 2021 00:44
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Phenotype posted:
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Nov 9, 2021 00:47
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no wait I remember now we discussed it to death here because they left it up in the air between seasons, and we were like "no thats dumb as hell, she poisoned twelve people without a trace, if she wants to poison deb she's not gonna put sleeping pills in a water bottle and just rely on luck that deb drinks it and then falls asleep when she's going down the freeway and not having it kick in when she's, yknow, stuck in traffic or chilling on the couch at home." and then next season she's like "yea it was me lol" and went to jail
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Nov 9, 2021 00:49
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InfiniteZero posted:I'm baffled by this take. Can you point me to the softcore porn scenes in the first season? I remember John Lithgow's rear end in the season four premiere.
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Nov 9, 2021 01:06
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esperterra posted:I-- what? I mean, fair to have your own opinion, obvs, but this line of thought is what led to the Scott Buck seasons. Treating Dexter like a hero, instead of the running tension of 'he'll get caught eventually and have to pay for his crimes and probably die' is what led to the seasons we all hate watched together. Hell, that line of thought leading to the final seasons is the reason this revival even exists right now, if we go by what Clyde Phillips has been saying. I mean, it's tough to boil down a show to a one-liner like "treat him like a hero". But my point was, like the Tony Soprano comparison, I really don't think the appeal was he'll have to pay or get caught etc. That idea can add suspense sure, but outside of code movies in the 40s etc, where criminals always pay, part of the fun of writing is we don't know that he will be caught. I don't think that strict morality is necessarily for a pulpy show such as this. Not to say he never pays at all, naturally a lot of bad things have resulted from his actions already. Personally, I'd say even in the early seasons we can root for Dexter, even if also knowing he'll be putting people in danger or making bad decisions etc. Not to make it overly simplified morally, there can be more to it than you are for or against a character. But I like the moral ambiguity and "so wrong it's right" kind of thing of rooting for and liking a bad person in a story. Just to give another example. In the 2018 Halloween movie, there's a scene early on where Michael kills a couple people, opens the trunk of a car, and puts his mask on. It's shot like a Sergio Leone movie practically, it is a completely heroic scene when he gets his mask. The audience would probably want to erupt in cheer. Even though he's a maniac killer, and later in the movie we'll be rooting against him for Laurie naturally. But part of us is rooting for Michael and happy to see him. I like messed up fun stuff like that, keeps it artistically interesting. Or say Scarface (1983), many examples, but it's fun to have the point of view and root for the morally messed up or bad character. Makes it something different from the usual, and to me the appeal of Dexter isn't that he's going to get caught. And I was rooting for him in the early seasons myself. I also rooted for Light in Death Note, and for Frankenstein (Peter Cushing) in the Hammer movies etc. It's a nice change of pace. Heavy Metal fucked around with this message at 01:23 on Nov 9, 2021 |
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Nov 9, 2021 01:11
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There's a difference between Dexter being a character who you enjoy to watch, and maybe even like as a person at times, but still acknowledging he should be caught in the end, and treating him like a super hero ala the Scott Buck seasons. Your initial post read more to me like the latter, than just being someone who enjoys watching bad dudes do bad things, or who enjoys the kills in slasher movies (they're like half of the appeal! especially for the big 3 franchises). Nothing wrong with sympathizing with or enjoying to watch a character who is inherently a bad dude doing bad things, though. Those are often some of my favourite characters. But I do disagree that the idea of Dexter being someone who should get caught or punished doesn't fit the material, at least not if we're talking about the first four seasons.
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Nov 9, 2021 01:21
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the only interesting thing i found in this first episode is dexter is clearly sublimating a lingering attraction to deb through his choice of girlfriend. she's a cop who swears and the actress looks exactly like jennifer carpenter in several profile shots of course since this is dexter i doubt they'll do anything worthwhile with it
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Nov 9, 2021 01:39
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esperterra posted:But I do disagree that the idea of Dexter being someone who should get caught or punished doesn't fit the material, at least not if we're talking about the first four seasons. I don't think it's inherent to it myself. I gather one of the writers may have said they wanted it to end that way or something, and that's flavoring the context here? Here's another example, with ending spoilers to the movie Infernal Affairs. Great movie, remade into the so-so movie The Departed that messed up the ending. In the original, Andy Lau's villainous character gets away with it. And he has to live with himself etc. In The Departed his analog gets shot and it's silly. Sometimes a character not being punished is a more interesting choice, and there are nuances and different ways it can go. It's just a bit unique that Dexter, which from day 1 was a very pulpy fantasy thriller, is a show where there's a concensus here on how it needs to end specifically. For moral thematic reasons. It seems like it's understandable that there would be more than one way people could see it going, and fitting etc. Whether we agree on if he's an antihero or whatever label, I don't agree on the idea that "he should be caught" is a thing that needs to apply to the story is all. You'd like him to be caught, if I had to vote for some reason, I'd vote for not getting caught at this point. Though naturally it's likely his current facade will not last, since it's more dramatic that way. But I don’t need this character to be punished specifically. I'm not the writer, but for me part of the magic of well done TV is that I don't know how it will go.
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Nov 9, 2021 01:39
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The original showrunner (who is leading this season) wanted it to end that way. If it was just someone in the writer's room, I could get more on board with 'Dexter gets found out and does not escape' not being the intended end point. e: and infernal affairs does indeed own. but the whole point of that movie is an unendying cycle of suffering and punishment, really. Dexter is also a character whose remorse is skin deep, barring exceptions like Rita, Deb or Harrison, really. Him getting away doesn't necessarily translate to having to live with his crimes weighing on him. esperterra fucked around with this message at 01:56 on Nov 9, 2021 |
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Nov 9, 2021 01:51
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Right on. Naturally that character and Infernal Affairs are quite a bit different from Dexter, just some alternative ways things are done in various stories came to mind as examples. Just a ramblin' man trying to acquit the TV killer guy. In general even in old film noir movies, where doom and gloom is thematic, the foregone conclusion of the criminal being caught I've just seen too many times. I typically would prefer another route. The audience might be like, hey, is it ok that this character isn't punished? And I like that. https://www.eonline.com/news/461558/chills-former-dexter-producer-clyde-phillips-reveals-how-he-planned-to-end-the-series Alrighty, I read that. I don't think his ending sounded great, and if he stayed on, it's very possible it wouldn't have quite gone that way anyway. Plus he says he liked the show's ending that we got, though naturally that could be diplomatic. Either way, Clyde is back, so I look forward to seeing what kind of ending they have up their sleeves on the team this time. Has it been confirmed it's just this one season? I know they've said it's limited but who knows.
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Nov 9, 2021 02:06
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i agree with the gist of what heavy metal is saying. i've never felt like dexter had to be caught at all - it's something they could do, fine, but it isn't necessary as an ending to the story. i don't apply real world morality to fictional worlds. in the world of the show, dexter is not really a villain. he bears no resemblance to real life serial killers. now the show did get noticeably worse, and it was never good, but it got a lot worse when it decided to humanise dexter to the extent that he was basically just a normal guy who kills people for a good reason, because the sole appeal of this show is watching a deranged maniac do his thing while pretending to be normal. it doesn't work if he actually is normal.
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Nov 9, 2021 02:06
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I on the other hand think him getting caught is the only way I can see it ending in any compelling way. Anything else would just feel arbitrary or contrived
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Nov 9, 2021 02:24
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I cackled at "I'm Harrison," this show sucks and I look forward to complaining about it all season. Also it's literally called New Blood, no way Harrison isn't a killer at some point.
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Nov 9, 2021 02:31
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codo27 posted:I like how everyone is chomping at the bit so bad to pick apart the writing that no ones hardly mentioned the CGI.
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Nov 9, 2021 02:42
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codo27 posted:I like how everyone is chomping at the bit so bad to pick apart the writing that no ones hardly mentioned the CGI. it sucked but there are things that are so much more fascinatingly stupid. why bother talking about something you already see in so many shows and movies?
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Nov 9, 2021 02:49
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roomtone posted:appeal of this show is watching a deranged maniac do his thing while pretending to be normal. it doesn't work if he actually is normal. 
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Nov 9, 2021 03:01
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The problem I have is that for me the appeal in Dexter getting caught has nothing to do with him getting punished. Rather it was about all the other jackass characters being forced to come to terms with who he really was. Even if he's caught now we've already lost that. We'll never see Batista, Masuka, Quinn, Jaimie, etc. have to deal with the knowledge that the most prolific serial killer ever was right under their noses.
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Nov 9, 2021 03:01
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spanky the dolphin posted:What if Harrison is a ghost man that would own
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Nov 9, 2021 03:11
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Harrison is actually Rudy's son pretending to be Harrison
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Nov 9, 2021 03:25
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croup coughfield posted:https://i.imgur.com/R0ievbn.mp4 Also I thought the new episode was decent. Uh oh! itry posted:Also, Lumberjacking. DaveKap fucked around with this message at 04:24 on Nov 9, 2021 |
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Nov 9, 2021 04:19
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DaveKap posted:Since nobody else seemed to answer you, I will. Ah, of course.
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Nov 9, 2021 04:36
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Looking at Wikipedia, Hannah took Harrison to Argentina. How would he even know to look in New York? He has to be some sort of ghost. Has anyone else in town even acknowledge him?
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Nov 9, 2021 04:45
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Cojawfee posted:Looking at Wikipedia, Hannah took Harrison to Argentina. How would he even know to look in New York? He has to be some sort of ghost. Has anyone else in town even acknowledge him? Nobody has yet, no. He’s shown up deep in the woods in a place he couldn’t realistically be, and he vanished into thin air- the footprints could be a red herring of physical evidence, imagined by Dexter. I’m a Ghost-Harri believer.
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Nov 9, 2021 05:07
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I feel the most logical outcome would be him being a conman or a ghost. So naturally, it's gonna turn out to really be Harrison who found Dexter through... I dunno. Google.
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Nov 9, 2021 05:16
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JaddaCaddra posted:I feel the most logical outcome would be him being a conman or a ghost. So naturally, it's gonna turn out to really be Harrison who found Dexter through... I dunno. Google. sadly this
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Nov 9, 2021 05:26
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JaddaCaddra posted:I feel the most logical outcome would be him being a conman or a ghost. So naturally, it's gonna turn out to really be Harrison who found Dexter through... I dunno. Google. Did the pastor from the pilot have any kids? It could be his son. Then he could go "My name is ____ Donovan. You killed my father. Prepare to die.", and it will be like a full circle back to the beginning of the series. So that's another option that will probably never happen.
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Nov 9, 2021 05:51
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Regy Rusty posted:The problem I have is that for me the appeal in Dexter getting caught has nothing to do with him getting punished. Rather it was about all the other jackass characters being forced to come to terms with who he really was. Even if he's caught now we've already lost that. We'll never see Batista, Masuka, Quinn, Jaimie, etc. have to deal with the knowledge that the most prolific serial killer ever was right under their noses. we did see that. they all thought the bay harbor butcher was doakes, and their reaction was "oh poo poo... anyway chicky hines"
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Nov 9, 2021 06:11
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everyone who gets close to you dies... doakes...laguerta...chicky hines...brother sam...ghost of edward james olmos...charlotte rampling...robocop...
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Nov 9, 2021 06:29
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God Hole posted:we did see that. they all thought the bay harbor butcher was doakes, and their reaction was "oh poo poo... anyway chicky hines" :| You're not wrong...
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Nov 9, 2021 06:30
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I reckon Harrison gonna kill Dexter bonus points if the scene is like when Deb killed Laguerta Dragonstoned fucked around with this message at 06:47 on Nov 9, 2021 |
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Nov 9, 2021 06:44
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nooneofconsequence posted:Did people really want more Dexter? I didn't watch season 8 when it aired and then it became clear that I never needed to watch season 8 but now I'm on the ball and I can watch this terrible show week to week with everyone else.
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Nov 9, 2021 07:17
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Really baffled people arguing over Dexter getting caught or not. lol, are you joking? that motherfucker needs to get fuckin killed right in the middle of one of his stupid fuckin monologues
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Nov 9, 2021 07:25
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What are the odds the blood at the end is actually from the dear?
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Nov 9, 2021 07:30
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We’ll never know because no one will ever investigate the blood. It’s only there as a fake out to suggest Dexter might get in trouble just for murdering a dude on a whim (he won’t), while also symbologically telling us that Dexter being a serial killer spells trouble for his personal life.
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Nov 9, 2021 07:33
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The blood is symbolic and isn't actually there. Symbolic of what, you ask?  Zulily Zoetrope posted:...while also symbologically telling us that Dexter being a serial killer spells trouble for his personal life. Perhaps the dark passenger left some tracks on the way into the house.
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Nov 9, 2021 07:55
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Khanstant posted:Really baffled people arguing over Dexter getting caught or not. lol, are you joking? that motherfucker needs to get fuckin killed right in the middle of one of his stupid fuckin monologues No joke, this is actually how the books end. Say what you will about the books, but they never lost sight of the fact that Dexter was extremely hosed up and not to be seen as a hero. The plots are pretty bizarre (namely the one where his dark passenger turns out to be a real thing) and they read more like scripts than they do books, but they were way more consistent than the TV series in that regard. Pretty sure Dexter even tortures people to death, as opposed to a quick stabbing. It's a shame they're so poorly done otherwise, because that was actually done pretty well for the most part.
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Nov 9, 2021 08:46
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they should bring back quinn and the other cop somehow
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Nov 9, 2021 08:48
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JaddaCaddra posted:No joke, this is actually how the books end. Never read em myself, but remember going through a wiki once and being impressed it was even more bonkers than the show for its own reasons. That ending though is solid.
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Nov 9, 2021 09:02
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just remembered that dexter smashed what i thought was an "in case of murder emergency break glass" box containing some kind of tool but then all he did was take a couple pieces of glass to jury-rig a blood slide lmao
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Nov 9, 2021 09:17
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