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For some reason I remembered the Phantom and the Shadow coming out earlier in the nineties, closer to Rocketeer and Dick Tracy.
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It was weird watching the Phantom, having grown up reading far too many of the comics when I was younger. The movie itself wasn't that bad, but I think the biggest point of contention my friends and I had was that he was a bit too snarky at times.
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Dec 3, 2021 16:26
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Like I get that the 90s movies managed to be more regressive than the comics were in the 40s in the Phantom's home country being generically exotic rather than let black people have a role, but in the comics both him and Lothar are very definitely from Africa. Bangalla iirc started out as a European colony but gained independence at some point, and has quirky gimmick tribes but is also a modern democracy. The storylines get a bit funny given past incarnations of the Phantom especially tend to be globetrotters but spent a lot of time in Europe or America, while the modern stories tend to basically have Bangalla be his home like Gotham is to Batman or NYC to Spider-man. (or even moreso, since the Phantom is more active and integrated with the jungle tribes especially, not even counting the one at his home base who know his secrets) And some neighbouring countries are the less positive depictions of modern African states, like one that's ruled by a strongman dictator and ridden with pollution and authoritarianism, with political prisoners and Bangallan citizens drugged to use for plausibly deniable slave labour. Still reckon, you could keep the Phantom's entire backstory entirely intact and just make it clear that the family line has married with locals and the current Phantom is of mixed heritage, and it solves so many problems.
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Dec 3, 2021 16:27
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BaldDwarfOnPCP posted:Don't forget Dick Tracy. So I actually have watched about 10 minutes of Dick Tracy. It was......enough for me to turn it off and decide that I probably don't actually care to see the rest of it lol. Also those Phantom rings from Subway loving ruled and I had like two or three of them somehow and thought they were the most bad rear end thing ever. I wish I still had one of them but they are long lost to time 
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Dec 3, 2021 16:42
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I still remember how Dick Tracy was loving everywhere leading up to the premiere and then it all disappeared just as quickly once it didn't do well that first week or two.
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Dec 3, 2021 16:54
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Flattop was a loving G in that movie.
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Pope Corky the IX posted:I still remember how Dick Tracy was loving everywhere leading up to the premiere and then it all disappeared just as quickly once it didn't do well that first week or two.  It won three Oscars
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Dec 3, 2021 18:10
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The marketing is definitely a big part of the story of that movie though because Disney did go all in on the marketing campaign to the point where it basically doubled the budget of the movie. So it ended up being a disappointment financially even though it made over 100 million. It's held up extremely well though which is probably due to Beatty and his insistence that it be heavily stylized so that it would look like the comic strip. There were people who wanted to do it more as a gritty realistic gangster movie.
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Dec 3, 2021 18:18
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Dick Tracy isn't a great movie but it's got so much style and Pacino is fun.
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endocriminologist posted:the phantom shot swedish prime minister Olof Palme Probably had it coming
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Basebf555 posted:The marketing is definitely a big part of the story of that movie though because Disney did go all in on the marketing campaign to the point where it basically doubled the budget of the movie. So it ended up being a disappointment financially even though it made over 100 million. It's also known for accidentally revealing the twist in the climax 6 months before the movie released due to the action figures.
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Basebf555 posted:The marketing is definitely a big part of the story of that movie though because Disney did go all in on the marketing campaign to the point where it basically doubled the budget of the movie. So it ended up being a disappointment financially even though it made over 100 million. Thing about Dick Tracy is that it has run for so long that it has run through multiple styles. Like originally it was pretty gritty about serious criminals and then by the 60s there was crazy sci-fi Moon adventures and then in the 80s it went back to more serious stories walking back a lot of the sci-fi stuff.
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Ghost Leviathan posted:Like I get that the 90s movies managed to be more regressive than the comics were in the 40s in the Phantom's home country being generically exotic rather than let black people have a role, but in the comics both him and Lothar are very definitely from Africa... Definitely, that'd help. The character is obviously coming from an anti-colonial and anti-racist place, even in the 40's, given its apparent choices for villains (who seem to be Western white corporate capitalists and what-not.) I just bounced off the racial politics of the '96 movie pretty hard. The comics are apparently still running under new authors, so if you have recommendations for contemporary takes on the character that rip on post-colonial arguments, I'm down. Uncle Boogeyman posted:just weighing in to say The Phantom (1996) owns, and whips rear end My specific issue aside, movie is still fun as gently caress. The pulp action serial thing is great, and I wish it happened more often.
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Dec 3, 2021 21:29
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Treat Williams swinging that skull laser around and merc'ing his second in command accidentally is an indelible image in my brain. It's right up there with Flea and Anthony Keidis' Cameo in The Chase.
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Xealot posted:My specific issue aside, movie is still fun as gently caress. The pulp action serial thing is great, and I wish it happened more often. It's a shame there isn't more of it, yeah. If only someone would properly promote the bra- 
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endocriminologist posted:the phantom shot swedish prime minister Olof Palme You knew this and yet said nothing, while the crime when unsolved, and his families pleas for closure went unanswered. For shame. 
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Dec 3, 2021 21:42
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Macdeo Lurjtux posted:It's also known for accidentally revealing the twist in the climax 6 months before the movie released due to the action figures. The Madonna thing? How
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Hello. I see you are discussing Dick Tracy. I must fulfill my court-ordered obligation to mention Warren Beatty's Dick Tracy Special, a half-hour tv program from 2010 in which a 73-year-old Beatty, in character and in costume, is interviewed by Leonard Maltin about his history. This was done so that the rights to Dick Tracy would not lapse, as he delusionally maintains that he would still like to make a sequel to the film. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PdFbiRK-UaY Please note that this special was DPed by Emmanuel Lubezki.
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Dec 3, 2021 21:55
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Also, big ups to this stunt for landing on that special combination of not being especially impressive, but also looking extremely painful: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PdFbiRK-UaY&t=863s
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Dec 3, 2021 21:58
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Alan Smithee posted:The Madonna thing? How IIRC the toy revealed that Madonna's character was also the Blank.
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Dec 3, 2021 22:13
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Dick Tracy loving owns as a comic book movie. The only part that I think wasn't "enough" was actually Warren Beatty. He wasn't nearly as over the top as his co-stars were.
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Dec 3, 2021 22:33
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DarkSol posted:Dick Tracy loving owns as a comic book movie. Honestly that's a lot of "super hero" movies. The villains are often the far more interesting part. Particularly when the hero's are just always the best and just. Like it's pretty hard to make that interesting.
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Dec 3, 2021 22:47
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Simple solution is to make him a realistic cop. 
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Dec 3, 2021 22:56
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ruddiger posted:Simple solution is to make him a realistic cop. Do not do what polices does. Bricks are not food people! They are not tasty, they have basically no nutritional value, and are super bad for your teeth.
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Dec 3, 2021 23:12
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How did I not know about that Dick Tracy special?
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Dec 3, 2021 23:18
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Because it was only made so Beatty could retain the rights and then it was quietly swept under the rug.
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Dec 3, 2021 23:49
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The panel I posted is from Erik Larsen’s Savage Dragon issue 252, where he paid homage to classic newspaper funnies, almost every strip was a two page spread dedicated to comics like Dick Tracy (which was parodied as Dick Tasty). Here’s the full page from that issue. 
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Dec 3, 2021 23:50
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feedmyleg posted:Because it was only made so Beatty could retain the rights and then it was quietly swept under the rug. Reminds me of when a company tried to keep the TV rights to the Wheel of Time (before Amazon got them) where they had to produce something or lose them and so they threw together a lovely low budget prequel that they got on TV by buying an infomercial timeslot.
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Dec 3, 2021 23:52
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The only thing I remember about The Phantom is the villain rigged a microscope to have razors spring out of the eyepieces, and that's been nightmare fuel ever since.
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Phylodox posted:The only thing I remember about The Phantom is the villain rigged a microscope to have razors spring out of the eyepieces, and that's been nightmare fuel ever since. Very much hosed up eight year old me.
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muscles like this! posted:IIRC the toy revealed that Madonna's character was also the Blank. Yeah, The Blank's action figure came with the mask as an accessory and unattached. The figure was labeled The Blank/Breathless Mahoney too. A few years later they did the same thing with Mask of the Phantasm.
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Phylodox posted:The only thing I remember about The Phantom is the villain rigged a microscope to have razors spring out of the eyepieces, and that's been nightmare fuel ever since. The best thing was, if I remember right, was that it wasn't intended to be a sneaky murder trap that he could use discreetly, because in that same scene he just chucks a loving spear through someone's chest and doesn't give a gently caress who sees him do it.
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Phylodox posted:The only thing I remember about The Phantom is the villain rigged a microscope to have razors spring out of the eyepieces, and that's been nightmare fuel ever since. Teaching children the very important message, that if you become a scientist you will be horribly murdered. A very important message to install at a young age.
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Dec 3, 2021 23:59
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Macdeo Lurjtux posted:Yeah, The Blank's action figure came with the mask as an accessory and unattached. The figure was labeled The Blank/Breathless Mahoney too. I work in advertising and used to sit next to the people who managed banner ads. The girl who I sat next to accidentally activated an ad that wasn’t supposed to go live for several hours, spoiling a big product reveal. It was active for less than a minute but in that time somebody screenshotted it and it was up on Reddit shortly after.
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muscles like this! posted:Reminds me of when a company tried to keep the TV rights to the Wheel of Time (before Amazon got them) where they had to produce something or lose them and so they threw together a lovely low budget prequel that they got on TV by buying an infomercial timeslot. It's funny to bring this up during a thread conversation about The Phantom considering who is in it.
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Asterite34 posted:The best thing was, if I remember right, was that it wasn't intended to be a sneaky murder trap that he could use discreetly, because in that same scene he just chucks a loving spear through someone's chest and doesn't give a gently caress who sees him do it. Nah that happens in another scene where he's in a closed door meeting with a bunch of mob bosses.
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It’s even worse than I remember, they’re just straight up x-acto blades.
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Dec 4, 2021 00:40
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dr_rat posted:Teaching children the very important message, that if you become a scientist you will be horribly murdered. Important lessons I learned from cinema as a kid: Always be on the lookout for quicksand If you're a scientist you will be horribly murdered (unless your daughter is dating Santo)
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I think the scientist ffom The Shadow gets to live.
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Someone earlier mentioned not having seen The Rocketeer. It loving slaps rear end
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