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site posted:most films don't even use film grain for effect anymore (in fact i would say with the push to ever higher res screens they're getting father and father away from grain) so why would i ever see that in a video game much less where I'm looking around through someone's eyes? Maybe V, like me, has Visual Snow? 
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Splorange posted:I mean, yes, the budget implants would come with pop-up adds that get in the way of aiming. first major gameplay choice is paying the subscription fee for no-ads or saving for a better set of eyes ^^^ maybe but I'm pretty sure that's not why games have film grain
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Dec 30, 2021 21:04
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Romanceable NPCs have set sexuality = developers telling the story they made Romanceable NPCs are herosexual = developers letting players tell their own story I don't feel great about declaring one "better" but I definitely prefer the latter
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Dec 30, 2021 21:25
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It basically boils down to, "do you think the sexuality of a character is sacrosanct, and an important enough part of their character to inform the rest of their personality?" and I do not have a good answer to that.
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Dec 30, 2021 21:30
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homullus posted:Romanceable NPCs have set sexuality = developers telling the story they made It's the more practical choice for sure but if you're really into the writing it's a little disappointing, as are most games tho
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Dec 30, 2021 21:31
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I think there are certain characters for whom their sexuality is pretty important and others who could probably swing either way without it really affecting their arc.
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Dec 30, 2021 21:32
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exquisite tea posted:I think there are certain characters for whom their sexuality is pretty important and others who could probably swing either way without it really affecting their arc. I wouldn't want them to make a romanceable character textually gay/lesbian and have them coded playersexual. I could see them presenting you with some non-spoiler options when you create your character, though, that affects the appearance and some writing around some playersexual romanceable NPCs, so you get more of what you want and maybe some tougher choices. The new Baldur's Gate has a bit where you design an NPC in answer to the question "who attracts you?;" that could be done well and inclusively.
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Dec 30, 2021 21:44
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You know what you don't see in games like this? Characters that are romanceable but completely unattainable to player. Like, you can try, and the devs make it so you can give it your all, but it's just not in the story. Now, I know WHY they don't do this, because fans (gamers) would probably have an unreasonable reaction to not being able to virtually touch the digital junk of their preference, but it would be pretty bold compared to what everyone else does. Of course modders would "fix" it on day 1, but it'd still be funny. Splorange posted:I mean, yes, the budget implants would come with pop-up adds that get in the way of aiming. And this is a great concept for a side quest of some kind.
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Dec 30, 2021 21:52
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I don’t have a problem with herosexual characters as long as their are still in game flags for them rejecting you for a good reason, like Panam won’t be your girlfriend if you don’t help her find her special sniper rifle while clearing out that band of thieves in the cave, or you can fail out of Judy’s relationship by not liking the right kind of music or something during a conversation. I just don’t want Mass Effect style romance where everyone is essentially forced to love you because you’re you and as long as you go down the very narrow and often creepily written romance paths you guarantee your creepy sex scene.
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Dec 30, 2021 21:56
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HoboTech posted:You know what you don't see in games like this? Characters that are romanceable but completely unattainable to player. Like, you can try, and the devs make it so you can give it your all, but it's just not in the story. Now, I know WHY they don't do this, because fans (gamers) would probably have an unreasonable reaction to not being able to virtually touch the digital junk of their preference, but it would be pretty bold compared to what everyone else does. Actually that IS technically in the game. Go for a smooch with River as a dude and you’ll see. Same for Judy/Male V and vice versa for the others. The game lets you get all the way to “kiss face?” and then has the other character push you away.
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chaosapiant posted:Actually that IS technically in the game. Go for a smooch with River as a dude and you’ll see. Same for Judy/Male V and vice versa for the others. The game lets you get all the way to “kiss face?” and then has the other character push you away. They mean you're always going to get shot down for reasons other than naturally falling outside of their sexuality
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Dec 30, 2021 22:00
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Yer a cyberpunk, Harry!
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Kerry needs to be gay for Johnny. Everything else gently caress cares.
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homullus posted:Romanceable NPCs have set sexuality = developers telling the story they made I think the player can have agency as themselves without being able to mind control other people into seeing them as attractive. If you make a world with no barriers to anything, you get a Minecraft clone, which is fine, but isn't exactly a storytelling vehicle. If anything, the problem is more that characters will be attracted to any PC of their preferred gender/model if you click the right buttons. A game that convincingly portrays sexuality would either need a fixed player character or some kind of way to measure how attractive the PC is to each NPC. I think you would probably need procedurally generated romance options to really pull it off though because as it is, we already "know" that a character is supposed to be seducible and get annoyed when some arbitrary thing prevents it. Then again, a lot of people play these games as a power fantasy and being attractive to everybody is a part of that. Edit: Just more proof that in another 20 years, Dwarf Fortress will be the only narrative game we ever need. KillHour fucked around with this message at 23:09 on Dec 30, 2021 |
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San Andreas had a way to measure how attractive the player is to each romance option. granted, the romances aren't nearly as in depth or meshed with the narrative as the ones in Cyberpunk, but it's not an insurmountable issue. i play as (trans)femme V because i am a trans woman and it is really nice to be able to play as someone like me (even if i wish the options were better and gave that option to more people than binary cis and trans people)
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FilthyImp posted:Kerry needs to be gay for Johnny. Everything else gently caress cares. Kerry is canonically bi, he's just not attracted to female V while male V reminds him of Johnny
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All I'm curious about is why that one woman from Militech wanted to meet up in a sleazy motel after I robbed her company of thousands of dollars. I guess maybe because I didn't spend it before we hosed, and deposited it in my account afterwards? I guess we'll never know.
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Chloe Jessica posted:San Andreas had a way to measure how attractive the player is to each romance option. granted, the romances aren't nearly as in depth or meshed with the narrative as the ones in Cyberpunk, but it's not an insurmountable issue. That was just assigning each one a range of your fatness and sex appeal stats. You could easily do the same here with the attributes available but many would probably see that as an unnecessary barrier for seeing side story content, especially with only one or two dating options with each V combination it would suck if your build would lock you out of it entirely
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I played a quest earlier today for the third time and saw a couple of options I didn’t see before: Stadium Love. First two characters just kinda go through the motions and run the contest and get a cool new gun. My new/third character first started talking poo poo, and everyone called me on it and opened fire. Next time through I went through the contest and got second place. Then a dude off to the side is like “i remember you, you killed our guys!” And they opened fire and I slaughtered them all. Looks like there’s a decent number of quests on this third playthrough that do play differently.
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Chloe Jessica posted:Kerry is canonically bi, he's just not attracted to female V while male V reminds him of Johnny Is he? I'd only seen him kissing up a pretty lad in one of the Johnny flashbacks, and he's the gay male V love interest, so I guess I didn't realise that was the case.
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yeah, he was bi in the tabletop and the devs specifically came out and clarified the circumstances of the Kerry/V romance because some people thought it was bi erasure. it could have been brought across better in the game for sure, though.
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homullus posted:Romanceable NPCs have set sexuality = developers telling the story they made its like one additional dialog tree you have access to how does that count as telling your own story
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King Vidiot posted:All I'm curious about is why that one woman from Militech wanted to meet up in a sleazy motel after I robbed her company of thousands of dollars. I guess maybe because I didn't spend it before we hosed, and deposited it in my account afterwards? The only thing, if you go along with her plan, which she loses out on is the Flathead. It's the entire convoy the Maelstrom jacked that she so desperately wanted back and she does get it back. The ten thousand eddies are just a business expense and you can use them on the deal and it still counts.
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Chloe Jessica posted:yeah, he was bi in the tabletop and the devs specifically came out and clarified the circumstances of the Kerry/V romance because some people thought it was bi erasure. it could have been brought across better in the game for sure, though. Is the game actually doing bi-erasure though? I mean, it's not like you can't play V as being aggressively bi if that's how you want to play them. I guess the only romance option (or non-option) I take issue with is Claire, who totally should've been romanceable for both Vincent and Valerie.
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God knows a decent romance scene would have been nice to have after those interminable races
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edogawa rando posted:Is the game actually doing bi-erasure though? I mean, it's not like you can't play V as being aggressively bi if that's how you want to play them. i said "some people", not me. i think on the whole the way the game handles gender and sexuality issues is pretty good, miles above most of the competition for sure (marketing notwithstanding). i don't think it engages in bi erasure. however, i do appreciate that they clarified they hadn't changed the sexuality of a bi character. edogawa rando posted:I guess the only romance option (or non-option) I take issue with is Claire, who totally should've been romanceable for both Vincent and Valerie. i would love to romance her but also her arc felt pretty natural to me and i understand from an in-character perspective why she's unavailable
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Holy shitballs, the cat REALLY hates the loving shower. Started hissing and snarling at me and then went and hid under the desk. Anyone else see this?
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site posted:tbh I've never understood why people like adding camera effects when you're looking through someone's eyeballs kiroshi optics, best poo poo there is. except for the lens filters
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Dec 31, 2021 04:17
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Is there a mod manager for this game I should be using?
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Farm Frenzy posted:its like one additional dialog tree you have access to how does that count as telling your own story did you not realize that "telling your own story" has additional meanings beyond "literally creating a complete narrative with no constraints" or . . .?
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Arglebargle III posted:Is there a mod manager for this game I should be using? I use Nexus Mod Manager. I use it for everything tbh. It doesn't gently caress with any files and you can switch mods on and off easily They'll have the ability to export mod lists in January afaik, so ppl should be able to share a link to what they use and it will set it up as a second profile or something.
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King Vidiot posted:Female V is amazing, I don't really know a lot about Male V but from a few videos I've seen he doesn't seem as good so Fem V has a surprisingly wide range of breathy, low exasperation, hard-lived bitterness with a tinge of vocal fry, drawn sarcasm, hardass don't-gently caress-with-me, contemplative or even empathetic concern, cynical but understated wariness, biz as usual, etc, able to switch on the fly even mid sentence to the appropriate emotional range Masc V is IM BATMAN it was not a fair comparison forest spirit posted:They'll have the ability to export mod lists in January afaik, so ppl should be able to share a link to what they use and it will set it up as a second profile or something. Thank the gods
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He's just less expressive and more Generic White Guy Protagonist.
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Me everyday this year, forever https://twitter.com/paultassi/status/1477291910192582657?s=21
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HoboTech posted:You know what you don't see in games like this? Characters that are romanceable but completely unattainable to player. Like, you can try, and the devs make it so you can give it your all, but it's just not in the story. Now, I know WHY they don't do this, because fans (gamers) would probably have an unreasonable reaction to not being able to virtually touch the digital junk of their preference, but it would be pretty bold compared to what everyone else does. Aveline from Dragon Age 2 is the only example of this I can think off from the top of my head.
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I think video games should jsut go the Fable route and have romance/marriage options for literally any character model in the game and it's accomplished by just mashing a "flirt" button.
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The Dragon's Dogma variation where the character who loves you the most gets kidnapped by a dragon and when you rescue them you have a romance, and it doesn't tell you which character loves you most beforehand, and it can be absolutely any character in the game including children
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2house2fly posted:The Dragon's Dogma variation where the character who loves you the most gets kidnapped by a dragon and when you rescue them you have a romance, and it doesn't tell you which character loves you most beforehand, and it can be absolutely any character in the game including children 
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Final Fantasy X has a hidden reputation system based on how often you use a character and how often you let them die that determines which character will comfort Tidus during his darkest moments in the game. Its really cool under the hood way of handling it because its literally just "which character does the player like the most" given story significance without getting in the way of anything
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Bust Rodd posted:Final Fantasy X has a hidden reputation system based on how often you use a character and how often you let them die that determines which character will comfort Tidus during his darkest moments in the game. Its really cool under the hood way of handling it because its literally just "which character does the player like the most" given story significance without getting in the way of anything You can hit on Lulu and Rikku too and neither are against it but in the end Yuna is the love interest regardless of if you have Tidus show any interest or not.
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