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Nothingtoseehere posted:
 ChaseSP posted:Love how we've come full round to setting up quick standardized encampments in modern warfare in an very similar fashion to Roman card camps. It's very cool, I'm hoping that star forts come back around within my life time.
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Jan 19, 2022 01:14
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I think he's being sarcastic 
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The circumstances that led to star forts were so specific to the weaponry available at the time that I'm not sure they're ever coming back. But, if we ever again hit a situation where we can have fortress walls that can withstand artillery and the primary concern is maintaining line of fire on infantry, then the star will be ready for us
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Jan 19, 2022 01:23
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ChaseSP posted:Love how we've come full round to setting up quick standardized encampments in modern warfare in an very similar fashion to Roman card camps. it never really left
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Jan 19, 2022 03:05
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AAAAA! Real Muenster posted:Wow, thank you for all of the replies everyone! I was not expecting such a response. That is all incredibly useful info! I wont get to go through it in fine detail until later after work but I'm excited to have so much to work with. It's worth noting that of the 4 ancient empires based in modern day Iran, two of them weren't Persian, specifically the Medes and the Parthians.
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Jan 19, 2022 03:46
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Weka posted:It's worth noting that of the 4 ancient empires based in modern day Iran, two of them weren't Persian, specifically the Medes and the Parthians. The Parthians are kind of a sister group, though, and were heavily integrated with local Persian elites in Parthia, which they had settled peacefully. Most of our sources on them are also Sasanian and they pretty regularly denigrate their predecessors in order to establish their right to rule and Achaemenid bona fides. The Arsacids/Parthians are pretty unique and not really "Persian" in the same sense as the Achaemenids but were certainly more "Persian" than the Seleukids they overthrew. The Medes predate the Achaemenids and their relationship and identity is harder to pin down. There was a lot of cultural exchange between the Medes and the people who would become the Persians and the Achaemenids adopted a lot of practices from them. I think by the time of the Seleukids the difference between Medes and Persians are pretty irrelevant.
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Jan 19, 2022 04:33
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Parthially Persian
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By my understanding it's not even clear who the descendants of the ancient medes even are, presuming they still exist as an identifiable ethnic group today. They're plausibly the Kurds but it isn't a sure thing.
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Jan 19, 2022 07:14
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i would be really surprised if any modern ethnic group was distinctly "medean", they essentially assimilated with the persians. similar to the many ancient ethnic groups which contributed to the Han identity
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Jan 19, 2022 07:20
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FishFood posted:The Arsacids/Parthians are pretty unique and not really "Persian" in the same sense as the Achaemenids but were certainly more "Persian" than the Seleukids they overthrew. Seleukids these days, they don't even know the meaning of the word "Persian"
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Jan 19, 2022 07:30
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Xenophon met a group called the Kardouchoi in the right part of the world which is competing for being the ancient Kurds, too
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Jan 19, 2022 07:30
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FishFood posted:I think by the time of the Seleukids the difference between Medes and Persians are pretty irrelevant. I'm sure there was a great deal of cultural interchange but even as late as the Sassanid empire Medes typically fought as infantry while the Persians had a strong cavalry tradition.
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Jan 19, 2022 10:49
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Fuschia tude posted:Seleukids these days, they don't even know the meaning of the word "Persian"
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Jan 19, 2022 12:15
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cheetah7071 posted:The circumstances that led to star forts were so specific to the weaponry available at the time that I'm not sure they're ever coming back. But, if we ever again hit a situation where we can have fortress walls that can withstand artillery and the primary concern is maintaining line of fire on infantry, then the star will be ready for us Well, what we really need is indirect fire and ideally explosive shells to go away. A big enough berm will probably still do quite well against direct fire but it's not doing you much good if your opponent can lob a shell right over it that goes boom (and that's before we get into aircraft, cruise missiles, ballistic missiles etc etc).
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Jan 19, 2022 12:41
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Implausibly effective laser point defence would do the trick. Actually there's a lot of star forts in sci-fi illustrations...
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ChaseSP posted:Love how we've come full round to setting up quick standardized encampments in modern warfare in an very similar fashion to Roman card camps. Pretty much the whole idea of a 'modern' army was basically reinventing what the Romans figured out. Standardisation is incredibly powerful. FMguru posted:What's interesting (IMHO) is the transition away from itinerant courts and towards permanent settled courts, most famously Louis XIV and Versailles (and all its imitators), because it turns all the virtues and characteristics of the traveling on their head. Instead of going out and keeping an eye on your magnates, you force them to come to your palace (where you can keep an eye on them), etc. I think it mighta came up earlier itt that Versailles became literally lovely because it was never really rebuilt properly to function with all the staff and guests it ended up having, not enough chamber pots and all. I think the idea probably only really went away with the advent of modern communications, and even then you see efforts made in a different way for a government to function on the move, see Air Force One.
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Jan 19, 2022 15:10
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mossyfisk posted:Implausibly effective laser point defence would do the trick. Basically man portable defenses that can only be defeated by short range, LOS weapons. Dune shields, make some adjustments so the laser explosion thing is more defeatable. I mean this is sci-fi as gently caress but hey, a man can dream.
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Jan 19, 2022 16:05
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Ghost Leviathan posted:
I seem to recall reading that if you were high enough ranking at Versailles, you didn't even bother with chamber pots. You just squatted wherever you felt like and left it for the servants to deal with.
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Jan 19, 2022 16:42
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Lead out in cuffs posted:I seem to recall reading that if you were high enough ranking at Versailles, you didn't even bother with chamber pots. You just squatted wherever you felt like and left it for the servants to deal with. Yes, this is correct. Louis XIV in particular liked to use the various stairs to relieve himself.
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Jan 19, 2022 18:08
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TipTow posted:Yes, this is correct. Louis XIV in particular liked to use the various stairs to relieve himself. which way would he squat?
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euphronius posted:I was talking to someone the other day and they said Cicero correctly and I almost fainted I was so happy quote:Kaesar und Kikero gingen ins Konkil,
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Fuschia tude posted:It's also interesting that this was happening as late as the 1880s in Ethiopia. I haven't studied the imperial history of the country much, but Addis Ababa is basically the capital because it's the last place Emperor Menelik II's court settled down. The royal family enjoyed the hot springs there, and he expanded his empress's house into the imperial palace, which is still the seat of government to this day. more because Shewa was the core of the empire, and it allowed Menelik to be close to the newly conquered areas of the empire. In the medieval era, the imperial Abyssinian court would stay in a location till the peasants started starving, then they would move on
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TipTow posted:Yes, this is correct. Louis XIV in particular liked to use the various stairs to relieve himself. Escacaliers
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Ngl my first thought if someone said Cicero correctly would be "get a load of this nerdlinger"
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Nerd bar one: knowing who Cicero is Nerd bar two: knowing anything about him beyond he existed in Roman times Nerd bar three: knowing how to pronounce his name correctly
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kickero is a much better name than sissero
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Jan 22, 2022 12:47
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Cursed textile. https://twitter.com/AntiquityJ/status/1486651462671286276
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Bout to pillage some pants off these rich bitches
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gently caress quote:Sitting a few miles from the German border, Nijmegen is the oldest city in The Netherlands, and after a recent archeological dig, it’s also the site that unearthed a stunningly preserved bowl made of blue glass. The pristine finding, which is estimated to be about 2,000 years old, is from the agricultural Bataven settlement that once populated the region. Featuring diagonal ridges, the translucent vessel was made by pouring molten glass into a mold, sculpting the stripes while the material was liquid, and using metal oxide to produce the vibrant blue. Archeologists uncovered it without a single chip or crack. https://www.thisiscolossal.com/2022/01/roman-glass-bowl-nijmegen/
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That thing is stunning
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Jan 27, 2022 18:21
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that rules
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Jan 27, 2022 18:31
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Yes, it's like a lava lamp.
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I'd serve salad out of that
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Jan 27, 2022 18:33
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cheetah7071 posted:I'd serve salad out of that yeah, i think that my aunt has a few of those
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Imagine fumbling and dropping that.
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Jan 27, 2022 18:40
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That thing is super cool, though this is my new favorite Roman glass piece.
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Jan 27, 2022 20:08
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drat, a percolator and everything
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Jan 27, 2022 20:16
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It's always good to know that the ancient romans had the same garbage taste as your grandma in 1974
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Jan 27, 2022 22:32
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My grandmother's taste was impeccable
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both good, but that blue is wonderful
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I saw that bowl and before I read the post I went back and looked to see if I had clicked the 3d printing thread by mistake 
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Edgar Allen Ho posted:It's always good to know that the ancient romans had the same garbage taste as your grandma in 1974 it never fails to be true
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