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Archer666 posted:The idea of gender identity is incredibly vague, as (biology aside) what makes a "man" or "woman" is dependent on both the times you're living in as well as the culture you're part of, isn't it? Same with a feminine or masculine style. Not sure what this is trying to get at, honestly. Gender roles, presentation, etc. can shift quickly, but people exist within their own context and time. I think the distinction being made is more important than the details of that distinction, I guess? And definitely gender is restrictive & I think that argument that it shouldn't matter carries a ton of weight, but you're still going to be dealing with people making essentialist arguments, e.g. "what about having children?"
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I gave birth to ur mom's dick
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Feb 1, 2022 18:50
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Sorry you had to deal with her!
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mkvltra posted:What about the ability to give birth? I’ve dated multiple cishet women who could couldn’t give birth. I sure would love to hear your point here.
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i feel like society keeps getting so weird in so many stupid ways, like how literally most of america believes in a satanic pedophile conspiracy, why can't we get weird in any good way... i don't think it would be that bad if we just stopped... just stopped. with gender. just who cares. literally who cares. why, what in the world purpose does it serve, to think of a "man" in a "skirt" as "weird" or to think a "woman" with facial hair is "unusual" like twopoints here 1. literallyeveryone is "unusual" in some way 2. literally nobody is "special", nobody is "unusual" so in conclusion NOTHING IS TRUE EVERYTHING IS PERMITTED DO WHAT THOU WILT
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Feb 1, 2022 19:32
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mkvltra posted:What about the ability to give birth? Just make your point about how if you can't give birth then you're not a real woman and save us all the time.
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Ive dated a couple of cis het women myself op. Not to toot my own horn
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i've uh... heh... i've "dated"... sometimes i've even dated "real people"
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ChunTheUnavoidable posted:Ive dated a couple of cis het women myself op. I've dated some women that made poop come out their assz
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Sorry you had to deal with that!
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Lil Swamp Booger Baby posted:I've dated some women that made poop come out their assz haha gross!! who does that
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im very glad that, of the many ways in which im hosed up, i dont think poop is either sexy or incredibly gross. like people who have poop fetishes are as weird to me as having a fetish for like...arm hair or earwax
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precision posted:i feel like society keeps getting so weird in so many stupid ways, like how literally most of america believes in a satanic pedophile conspiracy, why can't we get weird in any good way... My mom told me I'm special so I think there are some issues with your working out.
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Fiddler on the Reef posted:This part, especially "most people have an internal perception of themselves as having a particular gender category" I don't get at all, don't experience at all, and the whole idea seems fairly regressive (insofar as it seems to reinforce gender roles). I think you're really, really misunderstanding. These things are pretty ephemeral in the end, and a lot of what ive done since beginning this poo poo in 2018 has been inverting a sense of rigid category with regards to gender, into a fluid spectrum that any given mind falls within. Most of the time, the colored boxes work fine, for most people, and toxic elements aside, there's nothing really wrong with inhabiting one or the other firmly, or putting one foot in either box; it is largely the insistence that these boxes do not exist in a fluid spectrum that causes much of the harm that relates to gender. Most people, statistically gonna fit pretty well inside an amab/afab gender role for their culture. That really doesnt mean nothing else exists or can be accepted or done I have known true non binary folks, who truly do not inhabit anything anywhere close to the usual binary. They do not straddle some arbitrary androgyne line, they exist outside of that binary well and truly entirely. Like frankly I am thinking of one person i know, who is truly otherworldly, and does not inhabit gender the way someone in the statistical average might. Ive met folks, who remind me of an authentic and not-lovely version of that old SNL character, Pat? Like stuff like that happens, where people consciously and eagerly eschew all trappings of gendered expression, and it's loving cool imo, but it's also not me, it's hard to relate to, but easy to accept, and celebrate. Like you really dont need to get it, most people can only understand a range of human expression that fits inside their abitrary range of known experience, and in billions of people across a multitude of cultures that exist in their own spectrums of experience, it is really dumb to erase or insist some ephemeral qualia of human experience is somehow less real or less valid than yours. Trans and nonbinary folks spend a lot of time thinking about and quantifying how their experience is unlike expected norms, we approach this as honestly as we can on the whole ime, because at some point it was probably crucial to our happiness if not survival, and you should trust what you read from these folks as an authentic reflection of self coming from someone as capable as you in pontificating this poo poo, and not purely academic theorizing to be tossed aside because you can't personally grok it
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Rockman Reserve posted:gnosia, OP hey just to quote this from earlier but Gnosia has a couple non-binary characters and allows the player to be as well also it’s basically single player Mafia which sounds like it shouldn’t work at all but i think it’s really cool
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Rockman Reserve posted:hey just to quote this from earlier but Gnosia has a couple non-binary characters and allows the player to be as well OH poo poo OH poo poo OH gently caress i knew about this game but i forgot about it bc it wasn't on steam but NOW IT IS?! OH poo poo
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I feel like what this thread needs in an injection of actual queer theory, because we have a lot of people thinking they're presenting some bold new takes who don't realize there's a whole other deep end of the pool. I took a few pictures of some pages from Queer: A Graphic History by Meg-John Barker and Jules Scheele. Sorry they're a bit crooked, it's hard to take good pictures of comic pages while also holding the book open :/ Page 16 - I share this one because I think this might surprise some people and is a good basic intro:  Pages 27-31 continue on the above theme - a bit of context, just before these pages we were presented with the history of sex research and sexology (Kinsey scale, etc), which ended up shaping our perceptions both of gender and sexual intimacy:     
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How was the film Predestination recieved by the enby community?
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Riot Bimbo posted:I think you're really, really misunderstanding. I'm not saying anyone's being inauthentic, just as I wouldn't accuse a deeply religious person of being inauthentic. I just take issue with the inherent implication that people who don't id as NB necessarily id as either a male or female gender (both of which cannot be concretely defined outside sexism). Like I don't think gender identity is actually a thing for the vast majority of people. The characterization of it as some unconscious state that exists in everyone, is definitely there, but can only be detected when it causes someone distress seems to be pure mysticism. We're not gonna get anywhere here since we're coming at this from two completely different axiomatic frameworks (you believe in an innate and universal gender identity, while I do not)...
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Outrail posted:How was the film Predestination recieved by the enby community? never knew about the movie but All You Zombies is one of my favorite short stories
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i started GNOSIA it loving owns like hell holy poo poo i'm only on the third loop but for real, hot drat
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Fiddler on the Reef posted:I don't think gender identity is actually a thing for the vast majority of people. Some galaxy brain hot takes going on here.
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It's true whether your black, Asian, or regular
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Cis people actually aren't cis because they don't think about being cis and therefore can't be because you didn't think therefore you amn't. Just pulling out the big guns here folks. Joining the Galaxy Krew.
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Fiddler on the Reef posted:Like I don't think gender identity is actually a thing for the vast majority of people. I'm not really sure what this means. Are you saying most people don't identify as having a gender? I went to an all boys school and it seems like the majority of teenage boys are very, very keenly aware of gender identity. A very toxic understanding in most cases.
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I don't understand it nor do I feel it ergo it does not exist thank you and goodnight really though, do you think a cis man will just not care if people started treating him like he was a woman? Or a cis woman, if she was referred to as if she were a man? That's what I mean by "you don't feel it unless something's up," if your gender starts being undermined you're going to realize you're not comfortable with that, because you are/aren't a man/woman, drat it
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precision posted:i started GNOSIA i fell asleep playing it on the switch and dreamt raqio stole all my loving weed
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many people are keenly aware of my gender, and for that, i am truly sorry
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Archer666 posted:The idea of gender identity is incredibly vague, as (biology aside) what makes a "man" or "woman" is dependent on both the times you're living in as well as the culture you're part of, isn't it? i think you are really over interpreting what i’m saying. if someone handed you a form, and it asked you check your gender as male/female/other, does one of those answers feel more correct than the others? in the most basic sense, that is your gender identity. that’s all. (obv other isn’t a gender identity and needs more specificity, that’s just what i tend to see on forms) Ocean Book fucked around with this message at 03:37 on Feb 2, 2022 |
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Fiddler on the Reef posted:Like I don't think gender identity is actually a thing for the vast majority of people. I wish I lived in a world where "You _____ like a GIRL" has never been used to insult boys or men.
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Picnic Princess posted:I wish I lived in a world where "You _____ like a GIRL" has never been used to insult boys or men. Fully agree That one is clear and direct but calling men a bitch or sissy is also saying "you are acting female and therefore bad/weak", it's just easier to hand wave away the genderedness
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Remember when the world was so confused by men getting manicures and buying moisturizer that they came up with an entire word for it and spent like a year mocking those men in the media like every day?
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Picnic Princess posted:Remember when the world was so confused by men getting manicures and buying moisturizer that they came up with an entire word for it and spent like a year mocking those men in the media like every day? im pretty sure "metrosexuals" were made fun of for more than a year, more like "the entire 90s and 00s"
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Fiddler on the Reef posted:The characterization of it as some unconscious state that exists in everyone, is definitely there, but can only be detected when it causes someone distress seems to be pure mysticism. Have you considered listening?
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You care about your appearance! Ha-ha -Nelson, the avatar of childish bullying
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an insult that idk if it was common or just like the good ol boys from around me that my brother and his friends would use for people who were androgynous like me or "metro" like my brother in law greg was to call us Hollywood
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HEY HOLLYWOOD U WANNA ZIMA HA HA HEY HOLLYWOOD IS THAT A PERMMMMMMMMMM HA HA HA SUCK MY DICK IT WOULD BE SO FUNNY IF YOU PUT YOUR MOTUH ON MY PENIS HAHAHAHA
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precision posted:HEY HOLLYWOOD U WANNA ZIMA HA HA HEY HOLLYWOOD IS THAT A PERMMMMMMMMMM HA HA HA SUCK MY DICK IT WOULD BE SO FUNNY IF YOU PUT YOUR MOTUH ON MY PENIS HAHAHAHA so it wasnt just local then
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yes, unfortunately they had zima everywhere 
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i literally got drunk for the first time on zima... oh jeez it was gross rotten 7-up... thats all it is
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