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if the basic plot is good with good characters then you can hand wave away the inconsistencies, in those cases yeah it's shameful fans hand wringing about dumb stuff that wouldn't make the story more engaging. but if the plot kinda sucks and the characters are meh then all the bad stuff sticks out more and people think "hmm maybe it would be good if they changed this one dumb thing". edit: oof sniped a nerd thread cool scene from the picard writers room https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=whfMMfR4KKw appropriatemetaphor fucked around with this message at 20:38 on Mar 26, 2022 |
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Endless Trash posted:No way man! They use words like quantum and particle and space time continuum, this poo poo is real and only for people with a very high IQ Time travel has been hosed in every episode since they introduced it in TOS. The key is to be engaging enough that I don't care.
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Mar 26, 2022 20:45
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Mar 26, 2022 20:48
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Captain Hygiene posted:Time travel has been hosed in every episode since they introduced it in TOS. The key is to be engaging enough that I don't care. The other key is to make it only last for at most a two-parter. If it's a season long arc, it is going to suck, there's no way around that. You can have dumb plots that don't really work. You can't have all your plots be dumb and broken.
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guess patrick stewart doesn’t remember or just doesn’t care about his tng adventures
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Mar 26, 2022 20:52
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Endless Trash posted:I miss Elnor so loving much It's okay Mike, they'll bring back the LOTR sword elf by the end of the season.
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Mar 26, 2022 20:53
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infernal machines posted:The other key is to make it only last for at most a two-parter. If it's a season long arc, it is going to suck, there's no way around that. Yeah, that's also a good point. I'd be much more on board for the entertaining bits here if they were condensed down into a snappy two-parter.
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Mar 26, 2022 20:55
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Endless Trash posted:I miss Elnor so loving much He had to die for the plot. You can't have him running around in 2024 without hiding those ears and as bad as these writers are, I think they would see that as ripping off Voyage Home. He can't just be hanging out on the ship or else the Borg Queen can't intimidate Agnes.
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Bonzo posted:You can't have him running around in 2024 without hiding those ears and as bad as these writers are, I think they would see that as ripping off Voyage Home. Unlike the guy holding a boombox to his ear in 2024 loudly listening to the same song from 1986 
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Mar 26, 2022 21:54
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I think the danger of having pointy ears in 2024 is low, people would just think he was a turbonerd way too into lord of the rings
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Endless Trash posted:It makes “sense” as the timeline where the enterprise crew went back never happened. But they went back to 3 days before the timeline was changed, therefore Time's Arrow still would've happened at that point. Stupid time travel Endless Trash posted:No way man! They use words like quantum and particle and space time continuum, this poo poo is real and only for people with a very high IQ This but unironically MakaVillian fucked around with this message at 22:01 on Mar 26, 2022 |
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Mar 26, 2022 21:58
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MakaVillian posted:But they went back to 3 days before the timeline was changed, therefore Time's Arrow still would've happened at that point. You can either accept the explanation that Time’s Arrow’s loop didn’t happen because they went back in time FROM an alternate universe (see Doc Brown’s chalkboard from Back to the Future) or you can say it makes no sense. You are correct either way!
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Captain Hygiene posted:Unlike the guy holding a boombox to his ear in 2024 loudly listening to the same song from 1986 So that was their, "....oh ok. OH! Let's do the guy on the bus instead!!"
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Mar 26, 2022 23:10
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if you don't like a show about time travel full of generic inconsistencies of time travel don't watch it
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Mar 26, 2022 23:12
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if you want to watch a show you don't like and complain about it online go ahead and do that
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I'm having way more fun watching you all watch it this time around, honestly
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As someone who is forced to live in 2022 I'm annoyed by Seven and Raffi being so performatively angry about our current society's ills. It would be like me going back to the middle ages and tsk tsking them about poor sanitation and witch hunts. You're killin' it 1245 
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Endless Trash posted:As someone who is forced to live in 2022 I'm annoyed by Seven and Raffi being so performatively angry about our current society's ills. It would be like me going back to the middle ages and tsk tsking them about poor sanitation and witch hunts. yeah that poo poo is pretty annoying, like you knew what you were getting into when you woke up in a fascist dictatorship run by Picard, deal with it
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Endless Trash posted:As someone who is forced to live in 2022 I'm annoyed by Seven and Raffi being so performatively angry about our current society's ills. It would be like me going back to the middle ages and tsk tsking them about poor sanitation and witch hunts. I think it's perfectly ok to be upset if you go back in time and see women being burned alive for witchcraft there's all kinds of stuff throughout history that would make me pretty angry to witness first hand the real problem is that the writing is TERRIBLE
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TIP posted:I think it's perfectly ok to be upset if you go back in time and see women being burned alive for witchcraft Yeah the writing is bad, so their anger seems to come from a place of “we live here and I hate seeing this” + a bit of snarky ironic detachment and NEITHER of those should come from people living in a 24th century utopia.
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Endless Trash posted:As someone who is forced to live in 2022 I'm annoyed by Seven and Raffi being so performatively angry about our current society's ills. I was thinking about if this wasn’t earth, but some new alien planet, would they really care about some of them being relocated a few hundred miles? Or with Data’s pen pal and her planet ripping up… would they have refused to help and blame her for being stupid if the problems were caused by her species cars and factories?
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infernal machines posted:The other key is to make it only last for at most a two-parter. If it's a season long arc, it is going to suck, there's no way around that. 12 monkeys and terminator framchises will disagree with you on that one. what a strange world we love in where 12 monkeys has the better franchise.
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Vitruvian Manic posted:I feel like internal consistency is something fans impose from the outside instead of something real that exists from creators. there are like gods that teleport and sentient AIs and the US constitution. the show is basically the twilight zone with a reoccurring cast. In a sense, yes; there’s turbonerd edifices like http://www.ditl.org that try to nail down and reconcile every last detail, even when those details were fairly often just made up on the spot during the demanding weekly grind of producing a TV show. But the production companies often participate in reinforcing this themselves. In the 90s, there were an official Star Trek encyclopedia and chronology written by people directly involved in production design. Lucasfilm also has that poor bastard who’s the “keeper of the holocron” for Star Wars and is supposed to make that whole mess hang together somehow, including all the tie-in novels and comics. At times, they do recognize that internal consistency is a key component of the escapism that keeps people coming back. So crapping out inconsistent and terrible writing just makes it feel like they’re squeezing for the last few drops they can get out of the brand.
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Endless Trash posted:Yeah the writing is bad, so their anger seems to come from a place of “we live here and I hate seeing this” + a bit of snarky ironic detachment and NEITHER of those should come from people living in a 24th century utopia. I think if they end up trying to do something about the terrible situation they find themselves witnessing in order to fix the future (like bashir and sisko openly participating in a riot against the state) rather than just grimly remarking how hosed we currently are, the story could theoretically redeem or justify itself at least somewhat e: lol of course I expect they're just staplegunning social issues up there instead of planning any meaningful social commentary because that might piss off one too many of the remaining fans paying to see this and because they're likely too far removed from these issues to have an idea of what a satisfying resolution to this might look like Tighclops fucked around with this message at 00:52 on Mar 27, 2022 |
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TIP posted:if you want to watch a show you don't like and complain about it online go ahead and do that skipping a step and not watching a show i don't like and then piecing together my complaints second hand
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appropriatemetaphor posted:skipping a step and not watching a show i don't like and then piecing together my complaints second hand exactly what I’m doing tbh it’s not “fun” per se but it does make me feel included and accepted
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Eventually Season 3 will be the unused plot of First Contact where they have to fight the Borg who are taking over an Italian city during the Renaissance.
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JediTalentAgent posted:Eventually Season 3 will be the unused plot of First Contact where they have to fight the Borg who are taking over an Italian city during the Renaissance. I can't believe they're ending the show just when it's finding its feet
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Does Q or Guynan ever look at robo Picard and be all: "something's off about you Picard... it's like, you're a hollow empty copy of yourself?"
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No but Rios in the newest episode does go on a rant that ends with basically “and Picard’s some kind of robot now I guess, no one can really explain that to me”.
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This show is such absolute trash that I can only find enjoyment in hate-watching it and commiserating with the RLM boys during their reviews.
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weeeeelllll, it's the picard show it's a big bad show all right
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Mulaney Power Move posted:weeeeelllll, it's the picard show If they got I guess the surviving Romulan incest twin got written out, though? So he can’t get power-slammed through an exploding bridge console?
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The only humor in this episode comes from violence against cops and immigration guards 5/5 can’t wait for next week
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Endless Trash posted:As someone who is forced to live in 2022 I'm annoyed by Seven and Raffi being so performatively angry about our current society's ills. It would be like me going back to the middle ages and tsk tsking them about poor sanitation and witch hunts. Contrast this with Bashir and Sisko being crestfallen about 21st century humanity's lack of empathy for each other and later their willingness to die in a prison riot to change things for the future
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XL4iCAB6MFo Surely they wouldn't dare to disappoint me with another new series!
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Captain Hygiene posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XL4iCAB6MFo The lol snarky comment! Stuff is really putting me off. Like not every single tv show has to have smirking Jim in the background.
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appropriatemetaphor posted:The lol snarky comment! Stuff is really putting me off. trailers are always like this. it's got to as broad as possible to appeal to people who don't understand humour unless it's punctuated by the music cutting out. pike's little 'i love this job' aside in the trailer is corny, but i can imagine it being a fun moment in the actual show. same with the stuff like 'oh my god i'm on a comet' *inspirational music*. as long as they don't have a gently caress Yeah, Science! character. so considering how bad trailers usually are, i think this at least is a glimpse that the show is what they've been advertising it as. there's no hint of a galactic threat in this. just random missions and positive attitudes. could all be lies, we'll see. although i am completely done with spock saying things are logical. i do not want to see spock version C. kill spock.
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