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I'd love to get the comparison of things like cognitive impairment that comes from the type of food you eat. I'm saying this because while covid absolutely sucks and long covid is terrifying, we're also hella bad as a society at knowing the impact of viruses or other conditions on populations. The Epstein-Barr Virus is an example of something that was there for decades before people went like "oh gently caress this is ruining a lot of stuff." Also re: the charts above, when you see obesity as a condition there with low correlation, it does mean that there shouldn't be a causal link: being vaccinated and having covid bears no impact on your obesity. This is useful as a comparison point because if cognitive impairment is measured in people with covid, it also says that vaccination has no impact. The chart itself does not imply whether covid causes or is caused by any of these, but whether vaccination has an impact on what is observed. The paper's legend states "HR lower than 1 indicate outcomes less common among vaccinated individuals." -- So if you see anxiety/depression as higher in vaccinated individuals, it neither tells you whether it is the vaccine causing it or whether people who are vaccinated getting depressed (maybe because they believe this oh-gently caress pandemic is real), it's just a rate of which frequency they happen in. So if you end up establishing a causal link where covid causes depression, then the chart tells you that vaccination is unlikely to have a visible effect on it. If you don't establish that causal link, the proportions still remain, but you need to find a different explanation.
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yeah something i've started idly wondering about in the past year or two is how many viruses never get fully cleared from the body, but linger on in some way or another
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If it’s okay with everyone I will continue to avoid getting the insanely contagious airborne novel respiratory virus you can get multiple times a year that no one can say for sure whether it’ll gently caress you up a few years down the road.
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it's not okay with everyone, tori. you're killing jobs. why do you hate america?
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from my experience it really isn't okay with a ton of people
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Pittsburgh Fentanyl Cloud posted:If it’s okay with everyone I will continue to avoid getting the insanely contagious airborne novel respiratory virus you can get multiple times a year that no one can say for sure whether it’ll gently caress you up a few years down the road. same
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Pittsburgh Fentanyl Cloud posted:If it’s okay with everyone I will continue to avoid getting the insanely contagious airborne novel respiratory virus you can get multiple times a year that no one can say for sure whether it’ll gently caress you up a few years down the road. im not ok with it but im powerless to stop you
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Farmer Crack-rear end posted:yeah something i've started idly wondering about in the past year or two is how many viruses never get fully cleared from the body, but linger on in some way or another most are probably cleared. a few notable ones aren’t. vzv causes chicken pox the first time and can come back and cause shingles later. epstein barr causes mono but then later can cause multiple sclerosis (they’ve found the virus in the brain lesions).
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from what i have seen it doesn't seem that long covid is due to the virus hanging around but just from it loving up organs and nerves from the swelling but then shingles and ms take 20 years to show up so i guess ill check back in 2040 on all my coworkers who have gotten it and see if like their teeth have all turned into lesions or something
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it took me about 25 years to get shingles actually
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Apr 24, 2022 15:06
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fart simpson posted:it took me about 25 years to get shingles actually that's wild, I'm constantly seeing ads for hot shingles in my area
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i had a shingle break out on my thumb and it was debilitating i dont even want to imagine how bad it would be on my back or something im sure ill find out in the next decade!
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Pittsburgh Fentanyl Cloud posted:If it’s okay with everyone I will continue to avoid getting the insanely contagious airborne novel respiratory virus you can get multiple times a year that no one can say for sure whether it’ll gently caress you up a few years down the road. sorry you don’t have that choice we’re going to make you lick doorknobs and gently caress in an applebees at gunpoint
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Archduke Frantz Fanon posted:i had a shingle break out on my thumb and it was debilitating i dont even want to imagine how bad it would be on my back or something get the shingles vaccine
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Archduke Frantz Fanon posted:i had a shingle break out on my thumb and it was debilitating i dont even want to imagine how bad it would be on my back or something ironically i was lucky that i got it on my face and it immediately hit my right eye. because it made me to go the doctor asap and i got on antivirals immediately and it cleared up in just a couple days
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echinopsis posted:get the shingles vaccine .
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Cloks posted:that's wild, I'm constantly seeing ads for hot shingles in my area truth in tesla solar roof advertising
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Archduke Frantz Fanon posted:from what i have seen it doesn't seem that long covid is due to the virus hanging around but just from it loving up organs and nerves from the swelling it’s both they’ve found evidence of viral material in unexpected parts of the body long after you stop being contagious etc i expect a non trivial amount of long covid is generally recovering from a severe infection and/or pneumonia then you have people with latent damage, etc like clots or other organ damage that formed in the acute phase that become evident later on then there are people who are still just loving sick from covid infection months out
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yeah, i very much suspect that most if not all long-term covid effects are stuff we've just never properly paid attention to before. does not lessen the problem, covid is aggressive and many people get very sick, but I still suspect anyone getting knocked down badly by any viral infection in the past had a lot of these associated risks.
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Cybernetic Vermin posted:yeah, i very much suspect that most if not all long-term covid effects are stuff we've just never properly paid attention to before. does not lessen the problem, covid is aggressive and many people get very sick, but I still suspect anyone getting knocked down badly by any viral infection in the past had a lot of these associated risks. 26% of all American adults are disabled in one way or another per the CDC (mostly mobility-related), and over half of American adults have Covid comorbidities as defined by the CDC (mostly obesity, diabetes, and previous Covid infection). Dismissing death and disability with “they had associated risks” when over half your adult population has “associated risks” is not a winning strategy for beating a pandemic, unless you’re deliberately dabbling in eugenics.
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mediaphage posted:
I personally read records on a case at work where a patient’s first warning that they had Covid was their foot going necrotic and falling off.
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Pittsburgh Fentanyl Cloud posted:I personally read records on a case at work where a patient’s first warning that they had Covid was their foot going necrotic and falling off. yeah i’m not sure what that has to do with what i said. i think it’s worthwhile to distinguish between damage caused by an initial versus ongoing infection, that’s all.
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mediaphage posted:yeah i’m not sure what that has to do with what i said. i think it’s worthwhile to distinguish between damage caused by an initial versus ongoing infection, that’s all. It’s called an “anecdote” in a “discussion.”
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Pittsburgh Fentanyl Cloud posted:26% of all American adults are disabled in one way or another per the CDC (mostly mobility-related), and over half of American adults have Covid comorbidities as defined by the CDC (mostly obesity, diabetes, and previous Covid infection). i am not dismissing anything, the point is more that getting put in the hospital for a viral infection likely is a lot more long-term serious than we have previously thought.
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Cybernetic Vermin posted:i am not dismissing anything, the point is more that getting put in the hospital for a viral infection likely is a lot more long-term serious than we have previously thought. It isn’t just being put in the hospital, there is documentation where people had mild cases of covid-19 and later developed cognitive difficulties or other sequelae. https://www.ama-assn.org/delivering-care/public-health/what-doctors-wish-patients-knew-about-long-covid
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Pittsburgh Fentanyl Cloud posted:It’s called an “anecdote” in a “discussion.” it’s hard to tell with you sometimes
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A lot of people come off long term ecmo completely hosed up and that’s not surprising because we’ve known for a while that bypass is really bad for your brain. The mild non-hospitalized cases of impairment ain’t good though
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pfc may make tedious posts but at least there's a lot of them
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Pittsburgh Fentanyl Cloud posted:It isn’t just being put in the hospital, there is documentation where people had mild cases of covid-19 and later developed cognitive difficulties or other sequelae. i don't doubt there are a lot of hosed up serious long term effects to even "had a slight cough" cases of covid what i finding increasingly difficult is keeping up the masking and other measures when the majority of people around me do not. for example, i don't think we should be doing a return to the office, but on the other hand i don't have it in me to single handedly go guns blazing "im not coming in" when i see that the rest of my team (who i like and respect) does not make it into a big deal. similarly, i don't want to look like the lone crazy "covid is not over, the government is gaslighting us with the relaxation of the rules" in any social setting where i am uhh kind of hoping to meet friends and all it's also hard to be a doomsayer when doom does not seem to come (at least here in paris, france). there was a feeling couple of weeks ago that we are going into another wave following the relaxation of the rules but instead all the numbers are going down
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I'd put money on most Long Covid symptoms being long-term symptoms that can be caused by infections of a fair amount of viruses- we just never had data, or never did enough studies to catch it. This isn't really minimizing COVID though- it's just that maybe, possibly this sort of thing should've been paid more attention to before we had a Spanish Flu type pandemic again. I'm interested to see what treatments work. Not totally clearing the virus does seem to be on the table for the cause, anecdotally- because two of the things that seem to be showing initial results for long covid patients are funny enough post-infection vaccination, and antivirals like paxlovid.
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Cybernetic Vermin posted:yeah, i very much suspect that most if not all long-term covid effects are stuff we've just never properly paid attention to before. does not lessen the problem, covid is aggressive and many people get very sick, but I still suspect anyone getting knocked down badly by any viral infection in the past had a lot of these associated risks.
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getting covid is a moral failing
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Stereotype posted:getting covid is a moral failing yep
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Cloks posted:pfc may make tedious posts but at least there's a lot of them lol
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fart simpson posted:it took me about 25 years to get shingles actually i got an outbreak after only like 15 years! shingles speedrun woo! p sure it left me with some sort of permanent nerve damage to boot. the outbreak area has pins and needles and inexplicable pain on occasion. echinopsis posted:get the shingles vaccine at least in the US iirc it's only covered under most insurance if you're over 50 
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i got very mild shingles a few years ago and i have no idea if that means i can still get it or not. i assume recurrence is possible since it's a herpesvirus? on long COVID: it kinda scares me because I got EBV/mono in college and had post-viral fatigue for like six months. it was a miserable time, and i've had lingering stuff like visual snow ever since. i think post-viral issues are more common than people realize, and our expectations on when someone is fully recovered from an infection is too short and doesn't allow for enough deep rest.
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Gnossiennes posted:i got very mild shingles a few years ago and i have no idea if that means i can still get it or not. i assume recurrence is possible since it's a herpesvirus? nope. shingles is the virus permanently leaving your body out through your skin
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