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Doom Mathematic posted:Yeah. And right now, it's easy to lambast Google for having horrible gamed search results, but is it even theoretically possible to create an automated search ranking which can't be gamed? You're trying to outmaneuver the entire tech world. We already had the perfect solution: - Want to find info about knitting - Go to Yahoo site index - Find category hobbies - Find knitting - Click on a site - Navigate to other similar sites using the web ring header on the badly programmed geocities page
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lobsterminator posted:We already had the perfect solution: this is how my pre-gamefaqs breath of fire 2 strategies and tips page was getting 1k+ unique daily visitors at its peak we'll never get 1996 internet back but i miss it sometimes
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Doom Mathematic posted:Yeah. And right now, it's easy to lambast Google for having horrible gamed search results, but is it even theoretically possible to create an automated search ranking which can't be gamed? You're trying to outmaneuver the entire tech world. just use https://search.marginalia.nu/ op
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Doom Mathematic posted:Yeah. And right now, it's easy to lambast Google for having horrible gamed search results, but is it even theoretically possible to create an automated search ranking which can't be gamed? You're trying to outmaneuver the entire tech world. not without a reliable way to track and identify individual people on the internet so that their bad reputations can be made to follow them around, no. and apart from being unworkable on an international level such a system would be hugely undesirable for obvious reasons. algorithms cannot save you from the need for people to have durable reputations and durable reputations are an awful thing to have. it's the reason why decentralized anything on the internet is doomed to fail.
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lobsterminator posted:We already had the perfect solution: i mean we have basically that anyway, it's just instead of a webring of sites you have to go to the knitting subreddit or the knitting stackexchange site, because centralization means those are where all the people who would have produced html 1.0 webpages on the subject in 1997 post instead
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Doom Mathematic posted:Yeah. And right now, it's easy to lambast Google for having horrible gamed search results, but is it even theoretically possible to create an automated search ranking which can't be gamed? You're trying to outmaneuver the entire tech world. i think it is hard to say from the outside if search is in its current state because it is impossible to make it better or if it simply doesn't make financial sense to make it better. as long as it remains useful to type things into google search and no competitors are clearly better, it's not immediately obvious that you'd expect a meaningful increase in revenue from investing heavily in improving search quality compared to things like continuing to invest in the knowledge base stuff. even if you concluded that spending $10b on paying humans to look at search results and manually filter out garbage would drive $11b of additional revenue, does that actually improve google's financials? software companies "aren't allowed" to do low margin things because their valuation is driven by insane gross margins.
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Only thing I'd like is to be able to block Quora and Pinterest from google results. Otherwise the thing I want/need is usually in the first few results.
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Plorkyeran posted:i think it is hard to say from the outside if search is in its current state because it is impossible to make it better or if it simply doesn't make financial sense to make it better. as long as it remains useful to type things into google search and no competitors are clearly better, it's not immediately obvious that you'd expect a meaningful increase in revenue from investing heavily in improving search quality compared to things like continuing to invest in the knowledge base stuff. even if you concluded that spending $10b on paying humans to look at search results and manually filter out garbage would drive $11b of additional revenue, does that actually improve google's financials? software companies "aren't allowed" to do low margin things because their valuation is driven by insane gross margins. google employs a huge number of people (at least thousands) to manually curate its serps. it has done this for decades
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several times lately I've looked at results just to find they're almost generic seo spam pages full of machine generated text, where things like the author photo is an AI generated face with hosed up features and links in the footer are painted on it's wild
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lobsterminator posted:Only thing I'd like is to be able to block Quora and Pinterest from google results. Otherwise the thing I want/need is usually in the first few results. I can get DDG image search to block pinterest with a `(NOT site:pinterest.com)` but it doesn't work for the main search... Though I've heard rumors that DDG is attempting to phase out site: because "no one uses it"
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i wish google had a denylist of sites that i could configure. im sure there's a way to hack that together but...i dont wanna go to that kind of effort, they should do it for me
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Achmed Jones posted:i wish google had a denylist of sites that i could configure. im sure there's a way to hack that together but...i dont wanna go to that kind of effort, they should do it for me there are extensions for this
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are any of them trustworthy?
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Achmed Jones posted:are any of them trustworthy? idk because i don't use them
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you can set up ublock origin filters to prevent google results from any site you want: https://www.reddit.com/r/uBlockOrigin/comments/dzjogk/can_you_somehow_remove_sites_from_google_search/
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Zamujasa posted:several times lately I've looked at results just to find they're almost generic seo spam pages full of machine generated text, where things like the author photo is an AI generated face with hosed up features and links in the footer are painted on just wait until all this is being done for the consumption of other machines and starts leveraging adversarial neural networks and such things are very soon going to get truly bizarre and more people should read Vernor Vinge, John Brunner, and Charles Stross before it’s too late
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eschaton posted:just wait until all this is being done for the consumption of other machines and starts leveraging adversarial neural networks and such got a starting story for each of them? I'm assuming Vonnegut wasn't computery enough to make that list, like they are KV 2.0
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i think it is more honest to say that pagerank was invented in mit by page and brin and other co-contributors, probably at the expense of united states taxpayers. then, they founded google and proceeded to invent adwords and all the other crap
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Analytic Engine posted:got a starting story for each of them? I'm assuming Vonnegut wasn't computery enough to make that list, like they are KV 2.0 brunner's the sheep look up is pretty good in my opinion. i read it during the trump presidency and it was way too realistic for a book written in the early 70s
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Penisface posted:i think it is more honest to say that pagerank was invented in mit by page and brin and other co-contributors, probably at the expense of united states taxpayers. then, they founded google and proceeded to invent adwords and all the other crap would be even more honest to say stanford
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Analytic Engine posted:got a starting story for each of them? I'm assuming Vonnegut wasn't computery enough to make that list, like they are KV 2.0 I really liked the AR ideas in Vinge’s Rainbows End it was a bit less dry than his previous Hugo winner A Fire Upon the Deep, but also less ambitious in scope. The two books are really dissimilar, so if you don’t like one, you might like the other.
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MrQueasy posted:I really liked the AR ideas in Vinge’s Rainbows End I really really liked True Names
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WalterBright 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [–] > to go as low as possible On the other hand, it could be to not give the workers a reason to unionize. reply SrslyJosh 2 hours ago | unvote | root | parent | next [–] LOL, LMAO reply WalterBright 17 minutes ago | root | parent | next [–] I see you think this is a win-lose system. Free markets, however, are a win-win system. Both parties must win for the transaction to happen. The employer-employee relationship is just another transaction, and should be win-win. If a manager sees it as win-lose, he should be fired. The same goes for an employee. I've been an employer and an employee, and always recognized that it should be a win-win relationship and approached it from that angle. reply
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hner posted:I see you think this is a win-lose system. Free markets, however, are a win-win system I love that you can often pinpoint the exact point at which someone starts talking poo poo. and nine times out of ten its in the first sentence.
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"as someone who has been on both sides of the table, i don't believe i acted with malice or coercive intent, therefore those things aren't real"
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WalterIAmVeryBright Edit: oh god that's the D guy isn't it lmao
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Analytic Engine posted:got a starting story for each of them? I'm assuming Vonnegut wasn't computery enough to make that list, like they are KV 2.0 oh Vonnegut and Dick should be in there too, as should Peter Watts (but not his first awful series) reading list, in order: John Brunner:
Vernor Vinge:
Charlie Stross:
Peter Watts:
all have various kinds of “yeah the future’s going to be really weird” and Brunner in particular looks like a loving time traveler when you see the three books I recommended are from 1968-1976 and reflect the modern era extremely well
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you can tell someone's had an insulated life when they have no concept of power differencesalexandriao posted:SrslyJosh 2 hours ago | unvote | root | parent | next [–]
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Sniep posted:got to see that everywhere I turn will point to the fact that time is eternal great now I need to put on the Stadium House Trilogy again while I reread The Manual
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Zamujasa posted:you can tell someone's had an insulated life when they have no concept of power differences Now I'm worried that hn is brainwashing computer touching boomers
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WalterBright isn't quite graycat levels, but it's still cheating
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Sapozhnik posted:not without a reliable way to track and identify individual people on the internet so that their bad reputations can be made to follow them around, no. and apart from being unworkable on an international level such a system would be hugely undesirable for obvious reasons. the adtech companies build exactly this sort of profile on everyone it wouldn’t surprise me if Google and Facebook even use techniques like writing style analysis to try to link random text to identities for further information mining
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Jose Valasquez posted:WalterBright isn't quite graycat levels, but it's still cheating he's pretty far short of graycat. he has pretty unremarkable views for a rich old white guy who last had to work for a living a few decades ago, and only stands out because most of those don't post on places like hn
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alexandriao posted:WalterBright 17 minutes ago | root | parent | next [–] "Power imbalance isn't real and if any of my employees thought it was, I'd fire them"
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i could also interpret this post as the OP realizing that situations that are win-lose must be reworked to become win-win. and if someone in power is content to have a win-lose relationship with their workers then they should be fired
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Penisface posted:i could also interpret this post as the OP realizing that situations that are win-lose must be reworked to become win-win. and if someone in power is content to have a win-lose relationship with their workers then they should be fired You know that's not what he's saying.
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ultrafilter posted:You know that's not what he's saying. maybe? it’s through the lens of business school capitalism is the best thing ever thinking but isn’t win win here “employee gets enough money and feels good, I don’t have to pay for more onboarding costs”
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i read it the same way as hobbesmaster
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eschaton posted:oh Vonnegut and Dick should be in there too, as should Peter Watts (but not his first awful series) for greg egan, permutation city is a good place to start. if it grabs you he's got PLENTY more. if it stops making sense, he's good at summarizing things towards the end of the infodump.
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Ted Chiang is great, but most of his stories leave me feeling tremendously depressed
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