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yeah, twitter is going to do everything in their power (which here is considerably more than elon is used to facing) to make this deal happen. this isn't paying a biglaw firm to make lin wood look dumb after you per se defame an actual hero. there are forty-four billion reasons why and they'll spend one of those billions in legal fees to ensure it happens.
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Mr. Nice! posted:not everyone can plead that. a layperson can say "yeah, i didn't understand this" or "i just clicked accept" and have an argument they may win. a lawyer, on the other hand, cannot because they are expected to read contracts and understand them before agreeing. they have the specific knowledge. yeah it's extraordinarily unlikely an argument along those lines would actually prevail, but i don't see it happening either way because that would mean admitting he's both dumb and a lovely businessman, which may be true but he's certainly not going to admit it under penalty of perjury lol
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matt levine made the fun point that while elon has general legal immunity, twitter still hold the card of banning his dumb rear end from twitter which would probably be a bigger blow to this mid-life crisis mess of a man baby than any legal and financial ramifications
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Beeftweeter posted:yeah it's extraordinarily unlikely an argument along those lines would actually prevail, but i don't see it happening either way because that would mean admitting he's both dumb and a lovely businessman, which may be true but he's certainly not going to admit it under penalty of perjury lol even if he tried that, though, no court would buy it. he's not going to overcome the presumption that he understood the contract unless he can show that there was some sort of illegal coercion or something similar.
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Mr. Nice! posted:not everyone can plead that. a layperson can say "yeah, i didn't understand this" or "i just clicked accept" and have an argument they may win. a lawyer, on the other hand, cannot because they are expected to read contracts and understand them before agreeing. they have the specific knowledge. otoh he could point to his tweets as evidence he's an idiot
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Mr. Nice! posted:even if he tried that, though, no court would buy it. he's not going to overcome the presumption that he understood the contract unless he can show that there was some sort of illegal coercion or something similar. i'm completely in agreement with you here. it's just a reductive way of saying basically the same thing because a ton of people don't understand how this works
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Fabricated posted:Again, in what world do billionaires have to play by the rules they have to play by the rules, it is just their own set of rules which we don't get access to.
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FilthyImp posted:Also I think he was suspiciously quiet about some friend of his that was accused of being a sex pest yeah, there was some of that and some vague inside baseball nerd poo poo people complaining about problems working with him on projects iirc otoh he also makes terrible gamers / sci fi / tesla fans mad so its impossible to say whether hes bad pr not
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May 17, 2022 15:07
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Mr. Nice! posted:not everyone can plead that. a layperson can say "yeah, i didn't understand this" or "i just clicked accept" and have an argument they may win. a lawyer, on the other hand, cannot because they are expected to read contracts and understand them before agreeing. they have the specific knowledge.
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Chris Knight posted:he got away clean from the Solar City lawsuit, despite all evidence showing him being very involved & conflicted despite claiming being recused from the process quote:Vice Chancellor Joseph R. Slights, who decided the case shortly before retiring, sided with Musk, writing: “Elon was more involved in the process than a conflicted fiduciary should be. And conflicts among other Tesla Board members were not completely neutralized. With that said, the Tesla Board meaningfully vetted the Acquisition, and Elon did not stand in its way.” reading that made me lol. this and solar city are two very different animals with very different arguments and vastly different sums of money and people involved.
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also i would be absolutely shocked if the solar city result isn't appealed. i don't think that litigation is over yet, either.
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yeah they're not even broadly similar. one was a company he already had a vested interest in; twitter is just something required to keep up his tesla cult. i think with the tweets deal quote:Elon did not stand in its way is going to be an important distinction. lol
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Mr. Nice! posted:reading that made me lol. more like quote:Vice Chancellor Joseph R. Slights, who decided the case shortly before retiring, sided with Musk, writing: “Elon was more involved in the process than a conflicted fiduciary should be. And conflicts among other Tesla Board members were not completely neutralized. With that said, elong is a billionaire and the courts hold no power over him and those like him.”
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May 17, 2022 15:40
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i wonder what that judge is doing in retirement. i bet elon set him up with a really nice vacation.
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Just-In-Timeberlake posted:solid typo lol, finally my shoddy typing delivers something positive!
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Mr. Nice! posted:this and solar city are two very different animals with very different arguments and vastly different sums of money and people involved.
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Mr. Nice! posted:i wonder what that judge is doing in retirement. i bet elon set him up with a really nice vacation. probably crashed into the courthouse "smart summoning" the quid pro quo tesla which then burst into flame, necessitating retirement
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https://twitter.com/Esqueer_/status/1526314979863015425 read the full thread for why ol' Elon gonna get away with it again ah well, nevertheless
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kliras posted:matt levine made the fun point that while elon has general legal immunity, twitter still hold the card of banning his dumb rear end from twitter which would probably be a bigger blow to this mid-life crisis mess of a man baby than any legal and financial ramifications watch him appeal to the text of the agreement that says that he’s allowed to tweet about the agreement, therefore banning him is a breach on twitter’s part
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i'm the musky hair plugs
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Platystemon posted:watch him appeal to the text of the agreement that says that he’s allowed to tweet about the agreement, therefore banning him is a breach on twitter’s part that sucks because twitter banning him would be the funniest possible outcome
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musk is a texas resident, it's illegal to ban him from social media now that the judges allowed the social media law to go into effect
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duz posted:musk is a texas resident, it's illegal to ban him from social media now that the judges allowed the social media law to go into effect kinda hard to prove if you claim to be homeless imo
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qirex posted:that sucks because twitter banning him would be the funniest possible outcome
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duz posted:musk is a texas resident, it's illegal to ban him from social media now that the judges allowed the social media law to go into effect
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kliras posted:getting your case tried in texas as a rich person is probably pretty easy regardless. what's the name of that place they use again? southern district I think
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FAUXTON posted:southern district I think eastern
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FAUXTON posted:southern district I think eastern, mostly for patents though. from wiki: quote:In 2015, a staggering 43.6% of federal patent suits (2,540 suits) were filed in the Eastern District, which was more than the number of lawsuits filed in the United States District Court for the District of Delaware (545 cases or 9.3%), the United States District Court for the Central District of California (300 cases or 5.1%), the United States District Court for the Northern District of California (228 cases or 3.9%) and the United States District Court for the Northern District of Illinois (162 cases or 2.8%) combined. e:f,b but the context is good
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while i don't think elon can just casually walk away here i think the people imagining him getting held to very much are dreaming. even if twitter has all the law on its side and are willing to push it i think they go out of business (and/or we all die) long before the lawsuits trying to force it to happen would wrap up. which is great, a fight between only awful people, because lol if you think i have any measure of love for twitter or twitter shareholders.
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Cybernetic Vermin posted:while i don't think elon can just casually walk away here i think the people imagining him getting held to very much are dreaming. even if twitter has all the law on its side and are willing to push it i think they go out of business (and/or we all die) long before the lawsuits trying to force it to happen would wrap up. Him not getting it and Twitter dying is the best outcome. If he then also dies, even better.
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Baxate posted:https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1526602003362750466?s=21&t=MfO5tKUpv3UPxxCi8QPW3A he's loving dumb and childish, again. if the SEC does investigate they'll likely find the measure is true based on whatever metric twitter uses, which is absolutely fine by the SEC's rules
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May 17, 2022 18:36
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my pet theory is he's been trying to kill twitter entirely all along
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Beeftweeter posted:he's loving dumb and childish, again. if the SEC does investigate they'll likely find the measure is true based on whatever metric twitter uses, which is absolutely fine by the SEC's rules I hope they've blocked him.
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i mean seriously there's a reason (especially big) companies get a loving army of lawyers and accountants to do their SEC filings and poo poo. melon thinking he's smarter than all of them combined is hilarious but not out of character for a sociopathic narcissist
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he's south african trump. social media sites, even dead ones like ours, can't help but to amplify the garbage they spew out while they're on the shitter. only way to deal with them is to shut them out completely. twitter did our world a great justice by banning trump
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Baxate posted:https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1526602003362750466?s=21&t=MfO5tKUpv3UPxxCi8QPW3A “hi SEC I love you being being a toothless enforcement agency that looks the other way when it comes to my own fraud/market manipulation, but now I need you to do something for me”
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gschmidl posted:If he then also dies, even better. 
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Kazinsal posted:I think everyone kinda got tired of him after his stint as TV's Wil Wheaton! (tm) and his continous association with the bazinga show but to my knowledge he never actually did anything bad per se he’s fine. it’s not his fault people remember him as from terrible TNG scripts. I liked him a lot in Stand By Me.
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