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One interesting thing about SNW is that it seems to be going for harder sci-fi than I've seen before. ST is baby-soft scifi, they've never really cared about how tech or science or physics work, they're more interested in the ideas. How many times have we seen someone divert auxiliary power, it happens almost every drat episode. But this is the first time that I've seen it as an actual process involving multiple departments that required warning bridge officers and lights flickering and things like that. I've never seen that in an episode of ST. It's still not the Expanse, but Trek has always kind of handwaved away the actual space part of being in space -if a fact of math or physics gets in the way of the story they just come up with a compensator or dampener- and it feels like this series they're giving that more consideration, which to my mind is a good thing.
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Yes I liked that whole sequence when before it was always a thing that happened in the background
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Agreed. I also really liked showing diverting power as something that required some effort. Most of this episode was meh for me, but a i liked that bit.
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May 20, 2022 16:01
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I tend to like anything that reveals stuff about the quotidian reality of the 24th century. Show me how a starfleet officer shaves! No, not like that!
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May 20, 2022 16:06
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zoux posted:I tend to like anything that reveals stuff about the quotidian reality of the 24th century. SNW S1E5: During routine maintenance a minor accident occurred causing one crew member to get minor burns, the chief engineer then spends the next hour writing an workplace accident incident report form. With nothing much else happening captain Pike retires to his quarters and catches up with some routine paperwork.
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May 20, 2022 16:20
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I thought this episode was the “worst” of the three so far, but it was still hilariously better than most of the other current live-action shows. If last week’s was a decent TNG episode, this was a decent Voyager episode.
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dr_rat posted:SNW S1E5: During routine maintenance a minor accident occurred causing one crew member to get minor burns, the chief engineer then spends the next hour writing an workplace accident incident report form. How did you get your hands on gizmodo's 2032 listicle "The 10 best episodes from all seven seasons of SNW"
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May 20, 2022 16:34
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I Cared more about these characters than I did in all but the very best Voyager episodes, and as mentioned the ship operations were about 5000% better than Harry Kim being locked out
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May 20, 2022 16:35
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I've seen almost every episode of Discovery and I still couldn't tell you the names of the bridge crew. I know the name of every bridge crew member on SNW (yes, some were already known). I also LIKE every single person on this cast. Every character is likeable, and that's part of Star Trek. SNW loving owns. Love it. Praise Satan.
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RacistsSuck posted:I've seen almost every episode of Discovery and I still couldn't tell you the names of the bridge crew. I know the name of every bridge crew member on SNW (yes, some were already known). I like most of the characters, but Hemmer really hasn’t grown on me yet. He just seems like kind of a dick most of the time.
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Fidel Cuckstro posted:I'd probably rewatch e2. And really e3 just because it's really visually engaging between the planetside set and them really drinking in some of the Enterprise sets. Like I said, SNW is at least so competent that I wouldn't avoid watching it (I certainly couldn't stomach to go through any Picard season again) and an episodic show usually needs a bit more time to hit its heights but the limited number of episodes in a season compared to old Trek also means there are less chances to get it right. I will also add that even if the overall season ends up being a collection of "average" episodes it's less of an issue than with Discovery or Picard, there is a lot more room for course corrections and SNW is definitely interested in developing its cast of characters so you could have a strong foundation even if the episodes on their own aren't that great. Imo the characters are my biggest hope for good to great episodes. It's a lot harder to come up with a scifi concept for an episode that can carry/elevate a show (especially because Star Trek has already covered so much ground) but it's a lot easier to write a somewhat generic plot that is great due to the characters. Take a TNG episode like "Chain of Command". The basic premise is just "Picard is captured on a secret mission and gets tortured". I mean there are a million ways how such a basic premise could turn out to be a really bad episode. That episode only works as well as it does due to the acting performances fueled by some genuinely great writing. The same is true for "The inner light", "The Measure Of A Man" etc., these episodes weren't carried by a great/intricate plot or an awesome SciFi story, it was all about the execution.
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chglcu posted:I like most of the characters, but Hemmer really hasn’t grown on me yet. He just seems like kind of a dick most of the time. yea he’s an engineer
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Yeah, Hemmer is basically if The Doctor was stationed in engineering. Same smug vibe, different vocation.
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I like Hemmer because I don’t like Hemmer. It would be weird if everyone on the show was agreeable and friendly and appealing. And he’s intentionally unlikeable, which is a nice change from characters that I don’t like because they’re poorly written.
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Gangringo posted:Everyone has tragic backstories because sane, well-adjusted people born into a post-scarcity utopia don't expose themselves to the myriad of dangers of unexplored space. I don't get this sentiment. People who have had terrible things happen to them are usually more risk averse. Starfleet gets to explore the universe, do cool science poo poo, and render aid to helpless planets. If you're bored of waiting in line for the holosuite, or if you want to do research, travel the galaxy, or just be a part of something bigger than yourself, Starfleet would be an attractive option.
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I've been watching a few TOS episodes again recently, just to compare what they're doing in SNW. I think they're doing a great job with getting TOS feel while updating the sets, props, writing, and cinematography. I just wish they'd kept the spirit of the music- where TOS had full orchestra, blasting horns, pounding timpanis, and weird marimba breaks, and it played a role in each episode. Amok Time would have been so different without that music. I'm tired of wallpaper music in star trek
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Phylodox posted:I like Hemmer because I don’t like Hemmer. It would be weird if everyone on the show was agreeable and friendly and appealing. And he’s intentionally unlikeable, which is a nice change from characters that I don’t like because they’re poorly written. yeah, I like that there's characters that are there because they are the best at what they do and not because they're part of the family; it feels more like the apex of a professional organization that way
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Hemmer snapping his fingers and his team knowing exactly what to do was pretty great.
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HD DAD posted:Yeah, Hemmer is basically if Shran was stationed in engineering. Same smug vibe, different vocation.
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Aren't Andorians (I'm not clear on the Aenar vs Andorian thing since I never watched ENT - blind cave subspecies, but idk how much they are supposed to overlap culturally) generally assholes?
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Typical Pubbie posted:I don't get this sentiment. People who have had terrible things happen to them are usually more risk averse. Starfleet gets to explore the universe, do cool science poo poo, and render aid to helpless planets. If you're bored of waiting in line for the holosuite, or if you want to do research, travel the galaxy, or just be a part of something bigger than yourself, Starfleet would be an attractive option. Yeah, that's something especially with how nuTrek handles trauma. Someone said it best when it has a tumblr in 2014 esque understanding of things. It wants to validate people with those experiences, but doesn't really know how and settles on breathless emotionality without ever going into them or understanding.
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Eimi posted:without ever going into them or understanding. I’ve been assured by everyone on discovery (including the ship) that they have felt seen.
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zoux posted:Why is her name Michael?? Why?? Giving the female lead a traditionally male name is just something Bryan Fuller does on all of the shows he starts working on.
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I work with a woman named Michael. She's nice 
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I still will never forget how Discovery was powered by space water bear nipple torture
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Typical Pubbie posted:I work with a woman named Michael. She's nice Does she cry a lot CLAM DOWN posted:I still will never forget how Discovery was powered by space water bear nipple torture The fungus drive is so far removed from what we expect Star Trek Tech to be, I think that was a major contributor to the lack of ST feel.
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Wheeee posted:some real tard-grade tv lol
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A thought. Time doesn't pass in the transporter buffer, right? (M'Benga called out how his daughter doesn't age, the disease doesn't progress, etc., and of course that's also the way it worked for Scotty when he did it.) So it follows that this poor kid's entire existence consists of beaming from one storytime to the next, over and over and over, right? Months might have passed for M'Benga, but from her perspective, Dad closes the storybook, the world turns sparkly for a second, and then Dad opens the book and asks where they left off last time. You'd think she'd get tired of it before long. Might want to get a snack instead, one of these times. Or perhaps even waste several hours from her dwindling supply of time-left-to-live by getting some sleep.
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Powered Descent posted:A thought. Perhaps she can get some Break Room time with Dichen Lachman
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XboxPants posted:Perhaps she can get some Break Room time with Dichen Lachman Yeah Severance was my first thought as well
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Wheeee posted:some real tard-grade tv Cool slur, man
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That whole M'Benga plot was driving me crazy. This would be a time when civilians aren't allowed on Starfleet ships and you're telling me he just managed to emergency transport his daughter into the pattern buffer somehow and just keep her there? Hemmer just then noticed a considerable power drain in medical? How is a doctor able to override a refit/upgrade order, especially when it pertains to biofilters?The fact that this is now canonically something that M'Benga and Scotty figured out how to do implies (to me) that it would be common knowledge to some extent. Are there people on earth doing a future version of cryogenic freezing and just storing themselves in pattern buffers? Also, isn't storing a pattern incredibly intensive on the ship's computers? I'm recalling an episode of DS9 where they couldn't rematerialize the crew and the ship's computers just dumped them wherever it could and that ended up being Quark's holosuites along with a lot of data loss, if I'm remembering right. Anyways, now there's a 7 year old child saved in the computer that they can throw out whenever they need some more drama.
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zoux posted:One interesting thing about SNW is that it seems to be going for harder sci-fi than I've seen before. ST is baby-soft scifi, they've never really cared about how tech or science or physics work, they're more interested in the ideas. How many times have we seen someone divert auxiliary power, it happens almost every drat episode. But this is the first time that I've seen it as an actual process involving multiple departments that required warning bridge officers and lights flickering and things like that. I've never seen that in an episode of ST. It's still not the Expanse, but Trek has always kind of handwaved away the actual space part of being in space -if a fact of math or physics gets in the way of the story they just come up with a compensator or dampener- and it feels like this series they're giving that more consideration, which to my mind is a good thing. I really like it because it helps it feel a little more like they're still figuring this poo poo out, that they're on the absolute bleeding edge of what is currently possible for their tech, and they're gonna push further into the unknown anyway. It was one of the things I appreciated in Enterprise, too. It's not as big an element here as it was in Enterprise, of course, but things are just a little bit harder than they were in TOS, and certainly way harder than in TNG where humans had basically grown to the point where any problem was instantly solved with magic with a touch of a button. Don't get me wrong, the borderline transhumanist vibe on TNG was great too, very inspiring and everything, but I also like the more "wild west" vibe that SNW still has pinch of. It helps connect the dots from First Contact to Enterprise to SNW to TOS to TNG, make it seem like that's a real path that might actually be on the table for our civilization.
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I'm finding myself hoping they'll deal with the kid's plot as soon as possible, or we'll end up with a situation where "stopped time" still somehow clearly ages the kid five years between materialising due to the actor just growing up. Can't say this week's episode was brilliant or anything, but I felt glee that it was so extremely trek, with the stupid ion storm and the transporter inevitably malfunctioning. I've missed this kind of cosily familiar sci-fi plot, I guess. One season each of Discovery and Picard was enough to make me give up on those shows, because I just don't find any joy in watching these so-called professionals endlessly crying and bickering week after week.
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The_Doctor posted:I think my one question is ‘how does Hemmer read screens?’ Space haptics using space Braille
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Scotty kept the Klingons in the pattern buffer (it wasn’t called that in the script at the time but it seems clear it’s intended to be the same process) when the landing party was beaming up as hostages in TOS season 3’s Day of the Dove, so it seems fine that you can do it temporarily in the Pike era. ed: https://i.imgur.com/lg4BK2U.mp4 Crusader fucked around with this message at 19:04 on May 20, 2022 |
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CAPTAIN CAPSLOCK posted:Space haptics using space Braille During the Year of Hell Tuvok gives a command to switch his console to tactile display mode (or something like that). I have to assume that it a standard feature of Starfleet consoles since not every species has a visual sense.
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