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Yeah you shouldn't call people "coloured" in the year of our lord 2022, but that is a buckwild press release given what actually happened. Like,quote:First, we apologize to our attendees and the other panelists who were subjected to that slur. We’ve disabled access to the panel to avoid any additional harm being caused. The semantic drift that harm's gone through in the past decade is extraordinary.
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it's not a slur so much as making you sound so loving antiquated that people just assume you're racist for using it. it WAS an acceptable term until fairly recently. probably going to flip flop a little like queer has.
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StrixNebulosa posted:Wait, that’s a slur? I'm a white male and I don't want to disparage anyone. The way I thought it was in decreasing order of acceptability was African-American > Black > Negro > Colored > N****r. But I'm happy to learn what's actually appropriate. I'm not going to claim that I'm an "ally" or anything but I see no reason to insult or put down a bunch of people because I couldn't be arsed to learn their preferred term for themselves.
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May 23, 2022 06:12
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I don't have any place in the conversation of the term being particularly racist or not, but context has to count for something. Lackey is generally a warm fuzzy grandma type with few public sins, in the act of praising a colleague. There is precisely zero chance that she is attempting to put anyone down in this situation much less make a racial attack on someone. This calls for a "Geez gran nobody says that anymore" soft check, not a public twitter airstrike following by expunging the terrible crime from history so that the vitriol cannot poison the minds of future generations. This gives off weird nasty posturing vibes instead of actually giving a poo poo about humans vibes.
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I mean, I get it if the guy she was talking about complained, but this really just screams "old lady had a senior moment" moreso than her trying to actually be offensive in some way. Apparently they banned her husband too. Weird.
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Less Fat Luke posted:Seems literally like all dudes Well, since I dropped S1 about halfway through because of the shocking level of misogyny on display, I don't think I've missed anything by ignoring the more recent stuff entirely.
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unless she's secretly ultra racist in private and that was a mask slipping moment (which seems unlikely) it's a bunch of Twitter morons virtue signaling, basically. you can't ever let anything slide, you gotta treat it like a personal attack and a war crime
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May 23, 2022 08:52
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The phrasing 'person of color' is prevalent enough that I can easily see a well meaning elderly person using 'colored person' without realizing that the difference is meaningful.
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I always quite liked Elizabeth Moon’s Paksennarion books, and I saw someone upthread describe MC Planck’s Prime series as the same kind of thing (that is, chronicling what’s essentially a D&D campaign) but better. This was possibly the worst series I have ever read to the end. After the first book I was reading for closure and in the vague hope it might improve book to book (it didn’t). Every sin you can imagine from LitRPGs is committed: there’s no strong central theme, characters all speak in the same (inconsistent) register, there is an obsession with the rules of the system, there is no clear causality just a sequence of events, and the main character is an unlikeable, arrogant dick who never suffers any meaningful adverse consequences from consistently treating people like poo poo and never explaining anything. These things are full price on Amazon, which makes me think they must be popular. It’s baffling.
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mllaneza posted:Well, since I dropped S1 about halfway through because of the shocking level of misogyny on display, I don't think I've missed anything by ignoring the more recent stuff entirely. FWIW give Zorba The Greek a wide berth as well. Tried it recently because I was going to visit Crete and wow. It's almost unheard of for me to not finish a book, no matter how bad it is, but after the second appearance of the term 'brood mare' I was done. I have no idea what all the people who describe it as an inspiring novel see in it.
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The Sweet Hereafter posted:FWIW give Zorba The Greek a wide berth as well. Tried it recently because I was going to visit Crete and wow. It's almost unheard of for me to not finish a book, no matter how bad it is, but after the second appearance of the term 'brood mare' I was done. I have no idea what all the people who describe it as an inspiring novel see in it. well, it was written by a cretin
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The way I, a white Dane, had it explained to me by a friend of mine who's black and as Danish as I am, is that 'coloured' is a word that was used when racists couldn't use the hard-r n-word - it might have a slightly negative connotation when it's that thin of a veil.
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BlankSystemDaemon posted:The way I, a white Dane, had it explained to me by a friend of mine who's black and as Danish as I am, is that 'coloured' is a word that was used when racists couldn't use the hard-r n-word - it might have a slightly negative connotation when it's that thin of a veil. In the UK "coloured" was often used to refer to mixed race people, and is still considered really insulting by older blacks.
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FPyat posted:Hanya Yanagihara has also written a Cloud Atlas-like book called To Paradise. No. Hell no. Naw. Nope.
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It blows my mind that “Like Cloud Atlas” is a genre now. I loved the book, but had no idea.
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BlankSystemDaemon posted:The way I, a white Dane, had it explained to me by a friend of mine who's black and as Danish as I am, is that 'coloured' is a word that was used when racists couldn't use the hard-r n-word - it might have a slightly negative connotation when it's that thin of a veil. that's how it's used now generally but like 50 years ago it was considered the polite term lol.
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Jedit posted:In the UK "coloured" was often used to refer to mixed race people, and is still considered really insulting by older blacks. Did not apartheid-era South Africa have "coloured" as a category legally distinct from both "black" and "white", also?
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More Lackey on a different issue: https://twitter.com/adeniro/status/1458507162364354569
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Groke posted:Did not apartheid-era South Africa have "coloured" as a category legally distinct from both "black" and "white", also? Yeah, the largest group was mixed race, but it often included Chinese and Indians. Famously when in SA Ghandi thought he deserved to be treated better than the blacks or coloureds, fascinating time to read about.
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Remulak posted:It blows my mind that “Like Cloud Atlas” is a genre now. I loved the book, but had no idea. It’s probably because its story structure is so unique, it had entirely it’s own section in this writing book https://www.amazon.com/Meander-Spiral-Explode-Pattern-Narrative-ebook/dp/B07L8RLP3J/, encouraging other writers to try it out
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all these posts and no one bothered to figure out what happened re mercedes lackey, oh boy. https://twitter.com/jeninthelib/status/1528168371379875840 apparently this is from Delany: https://twitter.com/TimothySandefur/status/1528707923148427265
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With a few possible exceptions about NAMBLA I think. SFF needs to get off Twitter
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General Battuta posted:With a few possible exceptions about NAMBLA I think. Aw c'mon, say it ain't so. 
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What the gently caress. https://www.nambla.org/delaney.html
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Unclickedest link of my life
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What the gently caress 
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Shitstorm Trooper posted:What the gently caress. Holy poo poo.
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*throws hat down and stomps on it* Well goddamnit
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BINGO but its posters finding out the horrible things that SFF writers have said and done. PIERS ANTHONY [FREE SPACE]
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Don't forget that Hogg exists too. Mentioning Hogg to die-hard Samuel R Delany fans gets the same reactions mentioning the Orangutan to serious Edgar Allen Poe historians or mentioning I Will Fear No Evil to die-hard Robert Heinlein fans.
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Wait what's up with I Will Fear No Evil? It's in my to-read pile and I don't really know anything about it.
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The one die hard heinlein fans don't want to talk about is Farnhams Freehold.
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quantumfoam posted:Don't forget that Hogg exists too. Mentioning Hogg to die-hard Samuel R Delany fans gets the same reactions mentioning the Orangutan to serious Edgar Allen Poe historians or mentioning I Will Fear No Evil to die-hard Robert Heinlein fans. Huh. I don’t remember reading I Will Fear No Evil, but man I have about 5 books I’d put on the Heinlein WTF pile before it I think.
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:The one die hard heinlein fans don't want to talk about is Farnhams Freehold. please correct me, or alternatively, I guess, you could tell me I'm right, but really I'd rather be wrong
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Shitstorm Trooper posted:What the gently caress. gonna be honest, I kind of thought NAMBLA was made up for south park 
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:The one die hard heinlein fans don't want to talk about is Farnhams Freehold. ulmont posted:Huh. I don’t remember reading I Will Fear No Evil, but man I have about 5 books I’d put on the Heinlein WTF pile before it I think. Die-hard Heinlein fans will throw down and endlessly defend and relitigate every WTF content story Robert Heinlein wrote except IWFNE. To be honest, WTF content stories are 95% of Robert Heinlien's literary corpus, but no-one in Heinlein fandom voluntarily brings up IWFNE or ever uses it in a ""Nuh-uh. Not true. Not at all. Heinlein really meant this when he wrote these stories" argument. On a sheer WTF factor, IWFNE ranks crazy high. Delany's Hogg is extra creepy because apparently that was a story he had been working on for decades.
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