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blugu64
Jul 17, 2006

Do you realize that fluoridation is the most monstrously conceived and dangerous communist plot we have ever had to face?
Frankly I’m not sure I’d want to be close to an airplane that just crashed like that. I know nothing about it but I’d be concerned that it could ignite and I have know idea what kinda chemicals I’d then be breathing. (Composite body work and all)

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Nebakenezzer
Sep 13, 2005

The Mote in God's Eye

PhotoKirk posted:

I'm about a month into A&P school and I'm having a blast. Being a 50-year-old in a classroom of 20-somethings is odd.

A&P?

mobby_6kl
Aug 9, 2009

by Fluffdaddy

rear end and pussy?

E: that would explain why it would be awkward with a class full of 20-year-olds

mobby_6kl fucked around with this message at 17:54 on Jul 18, 2022

HookedOnChthonics
Dec 5, 2015

Profoundly dull


Airframe and Powerplant

EvenWorseOpinions
Jun 10, 2017
AirPlane

I get the picture it's pretty normal to have people going and getting their A&P a bit later in life. I wasn't quite that old, but I was older than most of my class and I think the learned patience to not look at my phone all the time in class and to read textbooks put me ahead of my classmates

KYOON GRIFFEY JR
Apr 12, 2010



Runner-up, TRP Sack Race 2021/22
Aggravation & Paperwork

MrYenko
Jun 18, 2012

#2 isn't ALWAYS bad...

KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:

Aggravation & Paperwork

:hmmyes:

Zero One
Dec 30, 2004

HAIL TO THE VICTORS!
https://twitter.com/skynews/status/1549037049243508736?s=21&t=_ezIGwU1SJhyixxMEO0MTw

mustard_tiger
Nov 8, 2010

Its actually Air & Plane.

Godholio
Aug 28, 2002

Does a bear split in the woods near Zheleznogorsk?
Another Problem

FBS
Apr 27, 2015

The real fun of living wisely is that you get to be smug about it.

mustard_tiger posted:

Its actually Air & Plane.

My dad used to get that magazine

EasilyConfused
Nov 21, 2009


one strong toad

Cat Hatter posted:

Is there a term for whatever the opposite of bystander syndrome is? Back when I worked retail a guy came in yelling "THERE'S A CAR ON FIRE!", rips the fire extinguisher bracket off the wall instead of flipping the clasp open, and dramatically kicks the sliding door off the track to run out into the parking lot. This guy had been waiting his whole life for this moment.

Funny thing is that it helped though. Not the fire extinguisher: it was a tiny alternator fire but it's hard to put out an electrical fire still being fed with power, but his commotion attracted the attention of the car's owner who popped the hood and pulled the battery cable off.

In that context? Hilarious.

Midjack
Dec 24, 2007




Grocery store, but I thought they went bankrupt a few years back. :confused:

Mr. Wiggles
Dec 1, 2003

We are all drinking from the highball glass of ideology.
Didn't see it yet, happened over the weekend.

https://www.reviewjournal.com/local/planes-in-north-las-vegas-crash-were-approaching-parallel-runways-authorities-say-2609392/

Aaaaaaarrrrrggggg
Oct 4, 2004

ha, ha, ha, og me ekam

Cat Hatter posted:

Is there a term for whatever the opposite of bystander syndrome is? Back when I worked retail a guy came in yelling "THERE'S A CAR ON FIRE!", rips the fire extinguisher bracket off the wall instead of flipping the clasp open, and dramatically kicks the sliding door off the track to run out into the parking lot. This guy had been waiting his whole life for this moment.

Funny thing is that it helped though. Not the fire extinguisher: it was a tiny alternator fire but it's hard to put out an electrical fire still being fed with power, but his commotion attracted the attention of the car's owner who popped the hood and pulled the battery cable off.

My department has a term, but I can't say it because it'll doxx a former firefighter who the term is named after... So adrenaline junkie or the aforementioned hero complex would be my runner ups!

Wingnut Ninja
Jan 11, 2003

Mostly Harmless

Cat Hatter posted:

Is there a term for whatever the opposite of bystander syndrome is? Back when I worked retail a guy came in yelling "THERE'S A CAR ON FIRE!", rips the fire extinguisher bracket off the wall instead of flipping the clasp open, and dramatically kicks the sliding door off the track to run out into the parking lot. This guy had been waiting his whole life for this moment.

Funny thing is that it helped though. Not the fire extinguisher: it was a tiny alternator fire but it's hard to put out an electrical fire still being fed with power, but his commotion attracted the attention of the car's owner who popped the hood and pulled the battery cable off.

I propose "pulling a Caro".

BIG HEADLINE
Jun 13, 2006

"Stand back, Ottawan ruffian, or face my lumens!"
RIAT 2022 RoKAF Black Eagles performance: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zl4mU6weVHM

Carth Dookie
Jan 28, 2013

Bob A Feet posted:

I’d be no where near that thing flying around at eye level. Hope his paintball gear protected him.

Pretty sure I have that same helmet. Its kind of crap.

Phy
Jun 27, 2008



Fun Shoe

BIG HEADLINE posted:

Nah, the eyepatch just buys them the ability to draw the curtain and be still sighted after the first blast.

But you are right that BUFF and B-2 crews are at leats familiarized on the plizzits: https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/7975/this-is-what-usaf-bomber-pilots-would-wear-during-a-nuclear-apocalypse

"No, Phy," my editor tells me, "nobody's going to buy the detail about nuclear bomber crews wearing masks that look like skulls. This is a novel, not a comic book."

Previa_fun
Nov 10, 2004

BIG HEADLINE posted:

RIAT 2022 RoKAF Black Eagles performance: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zl4mU6weVHM

Never seen this team before, some pretty cool maneuvers in there.

AzureSkys
Apr 27, 2003

There was a 50 something year old in my A&P school. He was building a kit plane in his basement and figured he should get his A&P to help. He then went on to make and sell a few more and I think ran a business teaching new kit builders the basics of riveting and what not.

BIG HEADLINE
Jun 13, 2006

"Stand back, Ottawan ruffian, or face my lumens!"

Previa_fun posted:

Never seen this team before, some pretty cool maneuvers in there.

They generally don't perform outside of Korea.

ryanrs
Jul 12, 2011

Cat Hatter posted:

Is there a term for whatever the opposite of bystander syndrome is? Back when I worked retail a guy came in yelling "THERE'S A CAR ON FIRE!", rips the fire extinguisher bracket off the wall instead of flipping the clasp open, and dramatically kicks the sliding door off the track to run out into the parking lot. This guy had been waiting his whole life for this moment.

If my car ever catches on fire, I hope that guy sees it.

FunOne
Aug 20, 2000
I am a slimey vat of concentrated stupidity

Fun Shoe
Apparently one of my wife's coworkers was on the plane that went down outside of Boulder over the weekend. Just tragic.

Not a lot of information about what happened yet. He was a pilot but no idea if he was behind the controls on this flight, just that if left from the same airport he hung out at as an occasional CFI.

https://globe.adsbexchange.com/?icao=a3b0be&lat=40.069&lon=-105.415&zoom=15.5&showTrace=2022-07-17&leg=1&timestamp=1658072311

My armchair interpretation is that something was wrong early, since it wasn't going nearly as fast as you'd expect based on the previous time the plane has done a similar loop. Perhaps nobody noticed the lack of speed and it turned into a stall and a spin during that turn? Or some kind of catastrophic mechanical failure caused full loss of control? The ADSB data makes it look like it went down very quickly once it started going down.

The airworthiness registration expired on 4/30, so if the owner wasn't on the flight then they're in for a world of poo poo.

FuturePastNow
May 19, 2014


Previa_fun posted:

Never seen this team before, some pretty cool maneuvers in there.

How did they get to Britain? Over China and Russia? Or did they go the long way?

PT6A
Jan 5, 2006

Public school teachers are callous dictators who won't lift a finger to stop children from peeing in my plane

FunOne posted:

Apparently one of my wife's coworkers was on the plane that went down outside of Boulder over the weekend. Just tragic.

Not a lot of information about what happened yet. He was a pilot but no idea if he was behind the controls on this flight, just that if left from the same airport he hung out at as an occasional CFI.

https://globe.adsbexchange.com/?icao=a3b0be&lat=40.069&lon=-105.415&zoom=15.5&showTrace=2022-07-17&leg=1&timestamp=1658072311

My armchair interpretation is that something was wrong early, since it wasn't going nearly as fast as you'd expect based on the previous time the plane has done a similar loop. Perhaps nobody noticed the lack of speed and it turned into a stall and a spin during that turn? Or some kind of catastrophic mechanical failure caused full loss of control? The ADSB data makes it look like it went down very quickly once it started going down.

The airworthiness registration expired on 4/30, so if the owner wasn't on the flight then they're in for a world of poo poo.

Sustained low speed in a Skymaster makes me think single-engine operation. The relatively benign single-engine handling of a Skymaster can lead to people not taking engine failures as seriously as they ought to be taken, and it has led to accidents in the past. Not saying that’s what happened here, but it could be.

BIG HEADLINE
Jun 13, 2006

"Stand back, Ottawan ruffian, or face my lumens!"
More love from my aviation-themed YouTube algorithm - Blue Angel F-4s put to some 70s-as-gently caress music: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NvGesCDMqSU

And a longer, much more detailed documentary in two parts: (1) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yk8DRvkuKtE and (2) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xr-sMugCyeY

FuturePastNow posted:

How did they get to Britain? Over China and Russia? Or did they go the long way?

I can't get accurate figures on the maximum ferry range of a T-50, but I'd imagine they put as many bags on them as possible and went from Wonju (their home base in Korea) to Japan to Guam and just island-hopped across the Pacific. It was probably a royal rear end-killer of a flight.

They won the RIAT equivalent of "Best in Show." Here's hoping they fly in the US sometime - I'd probably go out of my way to see that, even if it was on the West Coast.

https://www.donga.com/en/article/all/20220719/3519919/1

And here's a Red Arrows and Black Eagles flyover: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BWyzQO3nXps

I've really got a chapped rear end that I couldn't make it over there this year. :mad:

BIG HEADLINE fucked around with this message at 05:37 on Jul 20, 2022

Previa_fun
Nov 10, 2004

BIG HEADLINE posted:

More love from my aviation-themed YouTube algorithm - Blue Angel F-4s put to some 70s-as-gently caress music: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NvGesCDMqSU

And a longer, much more detailed documentary in two parts: (1) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yk8DRvkuKtE and (2) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xr-sMugCyeY

I can't get accurate figures on the maximum ferry range of a T-50, but I'd imagine they put as many bags on them as possible and went from Wonju (their home base in Korea) to Japan to Guam and just island-hopped across the Pacific. It was probably a royal rear end-killer of a flight.

They won the RIAT equivalent of "Best in Show." Here's hoping they fly in the US sometime - I'd probably go out of my way to see that, even if it was on the West Coast.

The Blues in the Phantom were awesome for sure. What's funny is everyone holds up the Phantom as the pinnacle of sheer size and power for the Blues, but the Super Hornets they fly now are bigger in almost every dimension (they're three feet shorter), heavier, and more powerful than the F-4 Phantoms.

Fly by wire probably helps though.

Project M.A.M.I.L.
Apr 30, 2007

Older, balder, fatter...
Breaking my lurking to post my favourite video which combines catchy 80's music and Blue Angels
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d5PqVeex4QU

BIG HEADLINE
Jun 13, 2006

"Stand back, Ottawan ruffian, or face my lumens!"

LoudPipesSaveLives posted:

Breaking my lurking to post my favourite video which combines catchy 80's music and Blue Angels
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d5PqVeex4QU

I actually met the lead of the Blues during the Skyhawk era, Gil Rud. My father knew him.

But yeah, I knew what was waiting on the other side of the link before clicking it.

Project M.A.M.I.L.
Apr 30, 2007

Older, balder, fatter...

BIG HEADLINE posted:

I actually met the lead of the Blues during the Skyhawk era, Gil Rud. My father knew him.

But yeah, I knew what was waiting on the other side of the link before clicking it.

Man that's awesome!

I like the Skyhawks, they were NZ's fighter aircraft until we phased out that part of our airforce.

BIG HEADLINE
Jun 13, 2006

"Stand back, Ottawan ruffian, or face my lumens!"

LoudPipesSaveLives posted:

Man that's awesome!

I like the Skyhawks, they were NZ's fighter aircraft until we phased out that part of our airforce.

He also led the transition to the Hornet for the Blues as well: https://youtu.be/oWQUtFHvELw

BIG HEADLINE fucked around with this message at 12:27 on Jul 20, 2022

Spaced God
Feb 8, 2014

All torment, trouble, wonder and amazement
Inhabits here: some heavenly power guide us
Out of this fearful country!



Previa_fun posted:

The Blues in the Phantom were awesome for sure. What's funny is everyone holds up the Phantom as the pinnacle of sheer size and power for the Blues, but the Super Hornets they fly now are bigger in almost every dimension (they're three feet shorter), heavier, and more powerful than the F-4 Phantoms.

Fly by wire probably helps though.

The air and space museum in San Diego has an -18 (I think an A model?) and a phantom and you're absolutely right how because it never really clicked to me how loving big those hornets are.

They also have a mig 15 which is just adorable next to either of them :kimchi:

lilbeefer
Oct 4, 2004

I remember seeing an F-111 when I was a kid and I was blown away at the size

Previa_fun
Nov 10, 2004

Spaced God posted:

The air and space museum in San Diego has an -18 (I think an A model?) and a phantom and you're absolutely right how because it never really clicked to me how loving big those hornets are.

They also have a mig 15 which is just adorable next to either of them :kimchi:

The Supers are another 10% bigger in each dimension (some sources say 25% but I think that's referring to wing area with the huge LEXs of the Supers)



I haven't gotten a chance to get out to an airshow and watch the Blues in the Super Hornets but from videos I already miss the "legacy" Hornets. They had much better roll rate and instantaneous pitch rate. Too bad by the end they were held together by duct tape and prayers. :v:

Jonny Nox
Apr 26, 2008




Previa_fun posted:

The Supers are another 10% bigger in each dimension (some sources say 25% but I think that's referring to wing area with the huge LEXs of the Supers)



I haven't gotten a chance to get out to an airshow and watch the Blues in the Super Hornets but from videos I already miss the "legacy" Hornets. They had much better roll rate and instantaneous pitch rate. Too bad by the end they were held together by duct tape and prayers. :v:

Didn't stop Canada.

Hell their demo team is still flying trainers from the '60s

KYOON GRIFFEY JR
Apr 12, 2010



Runner-up, TRP Sack Race 2021/22

Jonny Nox posted:

Didn't stop Canada.

Hell their demo team is still flying trainers from the '60s

this is a normal CF procurement process

PT6A
Jan 5, 2006

Public school teachers are callous dictators who won't lift a finger to stop children from peeing in my plane
Frankly we should feel lucky they're flying jets at all.

Or even turbine-engined planes.

Ardeem
Sep 16, 2010

There is no problem that cannot be solved through sufficient application of lasers and friendship.
When were they forced to give up Chipmunks?

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BobHoward
Feb 13, 2012

The only thing white people deserve is a bullet to their empty skull

Previa_fun posted:

I haven't gotten a chance to get out to an airshow and watch the Blues in the Super Hornets but from videos I already miss the "legacy" Hornets. They had much better roll rate and instantaneous pitch rate.

This is why the A-4 was maybe the best stunt plane the Blues ever flew even if it wasn't the sexiest airframe in the inventory. 720 deg/sec roll rate? :getin:

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