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Imperador do Brasil posted:Could I have BEEN cooler at 17? Frosted tips? Disney Teen Boy Bowlcut? Spiked back gelled short hair?
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FilthyImp posted:Depends. What was going on under the cap? At this point i think it was shoulder-length hair with a shaved undercut.
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An undercut? In the late 90s? Like, ponytail Brad from Home Improvement undercut?
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dialhforhero posted:An undercut? In the late 90s? That’s a bingo!
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New Todd In The Shadows covering Mötley Crüe's ill-fated transition into the '90s: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IeoPMjdFJjQ I know rock music has a long history of cringe-inducing "I just became a dad" songs, but hooooooly crap, "Brandon" is on a whole other level. I will treasure this knowledge. quote:You bring those tears into my eyes so well Sir Lemming has a new favorite as of 23:13 on Sep 6, 2022 |
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Was that a bigger song than "Jerry was a Race Car Driver" or was it just that the stuff from Sailing the Seas of Cheese probably aired on 120 Minutes (or maybe Heabanger's Ball depending on the mood) and "Wynona ..." was a Buzz Bin staple.
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"Jerry was a Race Car Driver" hit 23 on the alternative charts. "Wynona's Big Brown Beaver" hit 12 on the alternative charts and 23 on the mainstream charts.
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It's kind of funny how many 80s rock stars looked at what Nirvana was doing and had no idea how respond to it. Except Bon Jovi, apparently.
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Despite the marketing being all about "irony" Nirvana and most of its ilk were really quite loving sincere, and managed to sincerely rock. If they weren't sincere they'd have been dismissed as a gimmick like most late 90s stuff did, and if they didn't rock they'd have gotten thrown out like emo did. It really is still quite an impressive cultural impact crater, even if by '92 the movie "Singles" already accidentally had that whole style down to a very commodified joke: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b4tQFsPTGXI Matt Dillon dressed up like a Spirit Halloween Eddie Vedder and Bridget Fonda decked out as proto-Blossom is such a vicious parody until you realize it's dead loving serious. Found this looking up that trailer too: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OMJDGRwexCY Lmao Grohl is playing ball but Cobain is having none of it. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- While on the topic does anyone know why some people really denigrated Grunge and 90s Alt-Rock as super soft/sappy? Like yeah there's some real sensitive/sad boi poo poo in there, but even at the time I recall hearing a bunch of dumb poo poo about how all the music was so whiny and by/about people with no real problems, and that seems like... empirically untrue unless you're cherry-picking. It's not like emo (and even emo got a bit of an unfair rep in places).
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mind the walrus posted:Despite the marketing being all about "irony" Nirvana and most of its ilk were really quite loving sincere, and managed to sincerely rock. If they weren't sincere they'd have been dismissed as a gimmick like most late 90s stuff did, and if they didn't rock they'd have gotten thrown out like emo did...It's not like emo (and even emo got a bit of an unfair rep in places). At this point I'm gonna ask what you consider emo. Because I've never heard anybody suggest that Dag Nasty and Fugazi didn't rock.
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Phanatic posted:At this point I'm gonna ask what you consider emo. Because I've never heard anybody suggest that Dag Nasty and Fugazi didn't rock. Ugh here we go. Ok fine "screamo" what the gently caress ever.
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the gently caress's wrong with emo e: or screamo for that matter
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mind the walrus posted:
As a non-90s aside, the Heart reference mentioned was the Wilson sisters (as The Lovemongers) doing a fantastic cover of The Battle of Evermore. I wore my cassette of the Singles soundtrack out in my 1990 Sentra, with its auto seat belts and cheap factory stereo.
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There's an episode of IDEOTV where they review a book full of interviews with third-rate late period hair metal bands complaining about how they never made it big, and the reason isn't grunge, it's because they were trying to make hair metal 2-3 years after anyone stopped giving a poo poo about it. http://www.idontevenownatelevision.com/2021/09/26/168-nothin-but-a-good-time/
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I'm pretty sure 90% of the time when people say "emo" they mean stuff like Dashboard Confessional. Not whoever technically originated it in the late '80s or whatever. Like many subgenres I think some of that stuff has gotten a re-appraisal and, much like with Nü-metal, that whole "quit whining" attitude is finally falling out of favor. At the time it was definitely considered "soft" though. However, I have no idea what that has to do with Grunge. Some wires getting crossed I think. Not sure if I'm looking through rose-colored glasses, but it seems to me like pretty much everyone was pumped about it at the time, except for the aforementioned aging hair metal bands -- who were not critical darlings themselves. There was definitely some popular conception in some circles that "Grunge didn't have guitar solos", which has always been strange because almost all Grunge bands actually had plenty of guitar solos. I guess they weren't the right kind of solos, like Van Halen shredding. But that seemed to be kind of the minority opinion. I guess if you were really into Metallica you might've had a bone to pick there, especially when they kind of tried to go more "Alternative" themselves.
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mind the walrus posted:While on the topic does anyone know why some people really denigrated Grunge and 90s Alt-Rock as super soft/sappy? Like yeah there's some real sensitive/sad boi poo poo in there, but even at the time I recall hearing a bunch of dumb poo poo about how all the music was so whiny and by/about people with no real problems, and that seems like... empirically untrue unless you're cherry-picking. It's not like emo (and even emo got a bit of an unfair rep in places). because openly expressing strong, usually negative or dysphoric, emotions and mental health state in a vulnerable way, instead of stone cold stoicism or violent aggression, is associated with emotional/constitutional weakness and femininity, both of which are considered Very Bad and Unbecoming traits in men people like Kurt Cobain built their careers singing plainly about experiencing personal struggle with unhappiness, ennui, mental illness, social pressure and expectation, sexual identity and queerness, class, addiction and medicalization, and so forth—you know, gay poo poo, as opposed to writing songs about pussy and money and partying and fighting wars and being proud of your working class status (even tho you personally became a millionaire at 18) and winning, usually in broad and unspecified ways these concerns have always been derided by And then on top of everything else, after years of singing about “not real problems” some performers like Cobain actually go and take their own lives or publicly struggle with self-harm behaviors (as opposed to demurely self-destructing behind the scenes with alcohol and drugs and partying too much, such that everybody can see what a winner you are), thus adding to the idea that they’re weak or incapable of facing reality or melodramatic, or whatever dogshit opinion about suicide and what influences it you want to add to the assessment.
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I feel like the vast majority of negativity toward emo is based on the more nasally, whiny singing of the "mall emo" era (mid-2000s), but really I think it was just another excuse people made to poo poo on millennial teenagers because it was leaking into the mainstream. It's interesting to pay attention to the genre now, because a handful of the bands and artists from that time are coming back around to relevance again, this time with nostalgia fueling interest in them-- but from the way I've observed it, it looks like newer wave emo bands are back to being not mainstream and well known, while emo has shifted more over to hip-hop in the mainstream. I work with kids for a living and one of them told me he was emo, and I was all "oh yeah, I was into that when I was your age! what do you like?" and he listed off a bunch of rap and hip-hop artists I'd never really heard of up to that point. It's fascinating to observe! He said it's pretty popular these days, when back when I was his age in the 2000s it was generally more viewed negatively by the general public. But that's all 2000s and forward. I feel like a lot of that stemmed from 90s grunge and alt-rock though. Departing from the 70s-80s era rock bands where it was all about the sex, drugs, and rock n' roll, people started singing more about the things that made them unhappy. Lots of 2000s emo bands were inspired by more underground punk/hardcore, but also by more mainstream 90s bands like Nirvana or Smashing Pumpkins.
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Emo to me will always mean stuff like Bright Eyes, where the production value is roughly "guy with a poo poo guitar recording into a tape deck on the floor of his bathroom" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2GHyLhbdzN0 Elliot Smith does not qualify, oddly enough.
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Fuckin love Bright Eyes. The most recent album had a pretty fantastic production value, compared to earlier stuff lol
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a lot of the hate aimed at “Emo” in the 2000s was really just thinly disguised homo/queer/biphobia tbh
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Ok Comboomer posted:a lot of the hate aimed at “Emo” in the 2000s was really just thinly disguised homo/queer/biphobia tbh Yuuuuuup. Kids are finally getting the space to openly talk about their feelings and sexuality and old guard shitheads we're having none of it. Yes, some of that music was embarrassing in hindsight but gently caress me I still listen to The Postal Service.
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Inzombiac posted:Yuuuuuup. there are certain elements to that era (and beyond, especially beyond. god some of the stuff from ~2010 was dire. Like crabcore) and style of music that weren’t great and were actually pretty toxic, or appeared to celebrate/encourage that toxicity. Todd in the Shadows’ video on Red Jumpsuit Apparatus made the point that a lot of the themes and lyrical content present in 2000s “Emo” and it’s adjacents could be easily described as “late teens/early-to-mid 20s (or even early 30s) guy berates and/or emotionally abuses a young woman in his life for doing something (or not doing something) that he does not like.” Red Jumpsuit Apparatus’ unabashed Christian and anti-abuse/misogyny angle made them kind of a breath of fresh air in that space of the genre because of that, even if it was cloying.
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Framboise posted:I feel like the vast majority of negativity toward emo is based on the more nasally, whiny singing of the "mall emo" era (mid-2000s), but really I think it was just another excuse people made to poo poo on millennial teenagers because it was leaking into the mainstream. There's also just an Emo revival going on in general; Promise Ring did a few shows in the mid 10's, and there's some new bands keeping that sound alive, like The World Is a Beautiful Place & I Am No Longer Afraid to Die, Empire! Empire!, Modern Baseball, and Into It. Over It. (NGL, the weirder a band's name is the more likely I am to check them out. See: Godspeed You! Black Emperor, Giraffes! Giraffes!, A Silver Mount Zion)
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Neito posted:There's also just an Emo revival going on in general; Promise Ring did a few shows in the mid 10's, and there's some new bands keeping that sound alive, like The World Is a Beautiful Place & I Am No Longer Afraid to Die, Empire! Empire!, Modern Baseball, and Into It. Over It. here's where i stan for Microwave, Stoval is an amazing record
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The Cure owns and Shoegaze owns and to me that’s real emo. Burn is still the absolute best song and literally I look forward to watching The Crow just for that song.
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dialhforhero posted:The Cure owns and Shoegaze owns and to me that’s real emo. speaking of the Crow and shoegaze... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E7sHOZ1hVk8 that one was a remix by the Cocteau Twins, this is the previous version. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SEdKeXFS-wE
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uber_stoat posted:speaking of the Crow and shoegaze... I remember when I bought that Medicine cd and was surprised by the difference between the soundtrack version and the LP. Immediate reaction was WTF but spent some time with it. Good record. Also second for Cures Burn being best Cure song but wife gets mad when I say that. I double down and play 90s covers of Cure songs like the one on Dinosaur Jr Fossils and Alkaline Trios version of Exploding Boy.
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I don't really see that for 2000s emo music that it was some big celebration being hampered. In fact I'd say it's closer to the beginning of the incel movement.
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RenegadeStyle1 posted:I don't really see that for 2000s emo music that it was some big celebration being hampered. In fact I'd say it's closer to the beginning of the incel movement. I get what you’re saying with a lot of the “entitled boy on the social periphery seething at a girl” aesthetics and themes, but also IME your average 2000s Emo Boy was way more likely to have a friend group of mostly (or at least close to 50/50) girls compared to a lot of the other subgenre scenes of the time
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Ok Comboomer posted:I get what you’re saying with a lot of the “entitled boy on the social periphery seething at a girl” aesthetics and themes, but also IME your average 2000s Emo Boy was way more likely to have a friend group of mostly (or at least close to 50/50) girls compared to a lot of the other subgenre scenes of the time I will say there were probably a lot more girl fans of emo bands than other genres but I think you could post lyrics from taking back Sunday or Under oath today on the incel subreddit and no one would notice.
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RenegadeStyle1 posted:I will say there were probably a lot more girl fans of emo bands than other genres but I think you could post lyrics from taking back Sunday or Under oath today on the incel subreddit and no one would notice. even a lot of the really quality hardcore coming out back then fell into that, if they were at least a little more articulate about it. thinking about bands like horrorshow and american nightmare but this is not 90s talk, though i will gladly talk about 90s hardocre forever
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This one is a 2000 model year, but this was THE poo poo YOU WANTED if you were a teenager getting your license in 1999 in the US.  Peak boy-racer
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Imperador do Brasil posted:This one is a 2000 model year, but this was THE poo poo YOU WANTED if you were a teenager getting your license in 1999 in the US. dream bigger 
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Ok Comboomer posted:dream bigger I have one of these too 🤫
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Ok Comboomer posted:dream bigger 
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Imperador do Brasil posted:I have one of these too 🤫 
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Ok Comboomer posted:dream bigger Those were loving awesome. More than 100hp/liter out of a naturally-aspirated flat 4. My buddy had one. Someone totaled it rear-ending him at a stoplight.
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Too new for the 90’s! Launched in 2000 as an ‘01. I had an M3 as well but it was an E92. Phanatic posted:Those were loving awesome. More than 100hp/liter out of a naturally-aspirated flat 4. In the AP1, 2.0 inline-four making 240hp revving to 9000rpm. Imperador do Brasil has a new favorite as of 01:52 on Sep 11, 2022 |
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Imperador do Brasil posted:Too new for the 90’s! Launched in 2000 as an ‘01. I thought it was revealed in ‘99 for a ‘00 MY. My bad
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