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zoux posted:There aren't enough holodecks to accomodate the gently caress needs of the crew There are with proper scheduling and creative use. Keep in mind, the way the holodeck works you could have multiple gently caress sessions going on that, to the participants, would seem to be taking place kilometres or even light years apart. The holodeck is designed to give the illusion of distance, after all.  I majored in interstellar gently caress logistics at the Academy.
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FlamingLiberal posted:I guess at some point the Defiant got reassigned to another area? Or it was conveniently not around for this episode. Turned into the Dominion War Memorial, permanently grounded on Betazed. It's time for Lower Decks to do the ultimate Second Contact episode: take Kira to revisit the prison resurrection planet where Kai Opaka died
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I guess he was wearing The Teeth(tm) after all? https://twitter.com/BradinLA/status/1575896085486133249
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External Organs posted:Turned into the Dominion War Memorial, permanently grounded on Betazed. No-one will ever fetch the abandoned pope from darksouls planet. Ever.
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zoux posted:Which is why it should be doctrinal to designate a single deck as the gently caress deck, or perhaps the bone bay you'd want to keep that far away from the poop deck of course
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Night10194 posted:No-one will ever fetch the abandoned pope from darksouls planet. Ever. Unless you play Star Trek Online, anyway.
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Jet Jaguar posted:I guess he was wearing The Teeth(tm) after all? I knew he was. As he said, it's only way to get that voice.
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Payndz posted:That was such a fun LD episode. Didn't realise just how good it would feel to see DS9 and (a subset of) its gang again. I should have realised Quark was pulling something, because as a good Ferengi ethics would never come before profit! I'm a straight cis-gender white male so I apologize in advance for not expressing things in the right way. I wanted to like Discovery for having LBGTQ+ representation, but it kind of felt to me like that representation was somewhat... performative. Like, "Check it. We have two gay guys that are married because we're embracing that this is Teh Future!" Lower Decks treats Beckett and Jennifer's relationship as a completely normal thing in a much more naturalistic way.
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yeah did it. My partner is a huge DS9 fan and her birthday is coming up so perfect timing
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Jose Oquendo posted:I knew he was. As he said, it's only way to get that voice. He didn't quite get the voice right, though. I thought it was somebody else.
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Animal-Mother posted:He didn't quite get the voice right, though. I thought it was somebody else. That's just cause he is old now. Also if they wanted odo they could have gotten the guy who did that "quark explains nfts to odo" video
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Everyone posted:I wanted to like Discovery for having LBGTQ+ representation, but it kind of felt to me like that representation was somewhat... performative. Like, "Check it. We have two gay guys that are married because we're embracing that this is Teh Future!" I think Stamets and Culber are good and awesome and are one of the high points of the show, but feel like they’re being pushed to the forefront simply because Discovery just doesn’t have much of anything else interesting going on.
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Phylodox posted:I think Stamets and Culber are good and awesome and are one of the high points of the show, but feel like they’re being pushed to the forefront simply because Discovery just doesn’t have much of anything else interesting going on. Somehow the ship gradually becoming sentient because of contact with an ancient interstellar organism became extremely boring. C'mon disco!
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It feels like the Disco writer's room thinks of character development as a currency you save up to cash in for pathos when the character leaves or dies -- everybody who's had a significant arc over the past few seasons ends up doing just that, if at least temporarily Stamets and Culber are two thoughtful, well-realized characters but they also don't really grow or go anywhere, especially in season 4 where they mostly existed as a sounding board for Adira and Grey, and I presume that's because the writers have already once tried killing one of them off and needed to technobabble a solution to undo it after realizing how badly it came across
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I really think they didn't have anything left to do with Culber so they killed him off, then there was a massive backlash so they brought him back but they really didn't have a plan for him. I was pleased to see him come back because I like that actor and it's interesting to see a gay character in ST that is coded as we would consider gay in 2022 (I think by the 23rd century, the signifiers we use to code for male homosexuality will go away since they are the result of the forced ghettoization of the queer community throughout most of history - I think/hope it'll be more like on Lower Decks where the sex of your partner is of no more consequence than the color of their eyes) - especially given the discomfort too many people in the fandom react to queer characters. Same reason that it was less interesting that they cast a female actor for the role of Soren instead of a male actor, because even though the character is supposed to be non-gendered, the audience knows that *really* it's a woman playing the role, they don't have to confront any dissonance or discomfort they might feel when they see the heroic Will Riker make out with a guy that is coded as male per the contemporary signifiers - and indeed that they know to be played by a male actor. Also, I like seeing gay male couples in shows because, for whatever reason, male-male relationships are way more controversial than female-female relationships. So when a show is trying to introduce diversity of sexuality, I feel like they'll often play it safer by making the couple or the "gay event" lesbian. See for example: Willow, Roseanne, and of course, the first same sex kiss in all of ST, Jadzia. Now, I think that is more because of the studio, as in the case of The Outcast, Frakes wanted them to cast a male in the Soren role but "the studio" (read Rick Berman) thought that would piss off too many bigots and so they compromised. (Also not to hate on lesbian couples or bisexual characters, who deserve to see themselves represented in the media they consume as much as anyone else, it's just that these demos don't piss off right wing nerds like male homosexuality does)
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The Chairman posted:It feels like the Disco writer's room thinks of character development as a currency you save up to cash in for pathos when the character leaves or dies I feel like this is most noticeable with that one crew member with the bionic implant. She mostly showed up in the background and barely had a few lines but when a season 2 episode began with some random flashback of her on a beach with her husband/boyfriend I just knew they were gonna kill her off. And I really hate to use the term “earned” or “unearned” but it felt unearned. The show did nothing to make me care about her, I didn’t even know her name. Why is a beach flashback going to make me feel bad about her death? Other Trek shows were able to effectively introduce and kill off a character in an episode.
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Everyone posted:I'm a straight cis-gender white male so I apologize in advance for not expressing things in the right way. This was the first NuTrek episode I rewatched the same day I first saw it. It hit all the targets for 'stuff you know and love', 'the new stuff you're really enjoying' and 'drat, that was just plain fun!' (If this was Picard, Jennifer would be having an eye ripped out about now. Oh god, come on, let's let our characters enjoy life for a while...)
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What was the ad-lib? Was it the 'I hate that Andorian' bit?
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The_Doctor posted:I wonder if SNW’s success at the episodic format and writing really good compelling people on screen will give the Disco team any sense of introspection and maybe expand more in character development. Yeah they'll have some sad monologues about it.
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Night10194 posted:What was the ad-lib? Was it the 'I hate that Andorian' bit? No, it was Mariner yelling "MOVE JENNIFER!!" after they had already animated her shoving an Andorian woman out of the way.
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Yeah, the way she said Jennifer implied there was some sort of history there, just not what kind, and from there, ideas bloomed.
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A.o.D. posted:No, it was Mariner yelling "MOVE JENNIFER!!" after they had already animated her shoving an Andorian woman out of the way. I would discuss this more but right now I feel compelled to watch this episode again for the fourth time in the past two days.
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That was an amazing episode and so good to get Nana Visitor and Armin Shimerman back on the show but my 100% favorite part was when Tendi ripped the guy's tooth out and for a solid 30 seconds I really thought it was because she was just SO IN THE FLOW of piracy that she had to do it or else break the muscle memory.
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A.o.D. posted:No, it was Mariner yelling "MOVE JENNIFER!!" after they had already animated her shoving an Andorian woman out of the way. Tawny said that if she knew Jennifer was an Andorian, she would have used a different name.
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Astroman posted:Two Janeways, One Scene: Goddamn that is rough. You gotta do Trek like Shakespeare--poorly written Shakespeare. Your audience is only gonna understand every other word and let's be honest, it's mostly nonsense to you, but as long as you guide the audience with how you emote, you keep their attention and get them to understand what is going on. Mulgrew got it right away! That whole scene was gibberish but she tells you what's happening with her tone.
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Just saw the latest LD, and holy crap, that was so much fun. I burst out laughing no less than three times during the "DS9 opening" intro, and it only got better from there. And I've been moderately tempted by a few of the T-shirts before, but I bought the one for this episode instantly.
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MikeJF posted:I'm listening to an interview with Tawny Newsome and Mike McMahan and she's shouting at him about shoving her into a b-plot doing other bullshit where she doesn't even get to go on the station when DS9 was her favourite series. What podcast is this?
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zoux posted:If Auberjonois was still alive you know he'd've been down as hell. God I love the Quark/Odo dynamic, that would've been so cool to see the LD comedic twist on it I would've loved to hear his gravelly voice, harumphs, and a good "Quaaaarrk" or two if he was still around. run on sentience posted:That episode made me so happy. I was wondering why Quark's voice was ever so slightly off, then realized Shimerman probably didn't have a mouth full of pointy teeth in the sound booth. Honestly, they both sounded off. But you know.. it's been 23 years and they've gotten older. They're in their 60s-70s and sound like it. I still enjoyed hearing them. This episode was a real treat. The_Doctor posted:I wonder if SNW’s success at the episodic format and writing really good compelling people on screen will give the Disco team any sense of introspection and maybe expand more in character development. That's probably a bit like saying that penguins should be able to fly after observing loads of other birds doing it. I don't think the Disco writers have it in them to write enjoyable stories.
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The_Doctor posted:I wonder if SNW’s success at the episodic format and writing really good compelling people on screen will give the Disco team any sense of introspection and maybe expand more in character development. Hello, [BRIDGE OFFICER]! What is your favourite [WEST COAST VACATION CITY]?
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The_Doctor posted:I wonder if SNW’s success at the episodic format and writing really good compelling people on screen will give the Disco team any sense of introspection and maybe expand more in character development. You should write for Discovery. You've at least got a good understanding of comedy.
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Fezz posted:What podcast is this? https://gatecrashers.fan/2022/09/29/tawny-newsome-and-mike-mcmahan-talk-star-trek-lower-decks/
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Nullsmack posted:I would've loved to hear his gravelly voice, harumphs, and a good "Quaaaarrk" or two if he was still around. They didn't have the same voices because older bodies, but they still nailed the characters. I could absolutely see Kira having a conversation like she did with Shaxs. Nullsmack posted:That's probably a bit like saying that penguins should be able to fly after observing loads of other birds doing it. I don't think the Disco writers have it in them to write enjoyable stories. I don't think that's completely true. I've seen a few Discovery episodes that I enjoyed. I will say that most of the character stuff was very much on the actors to do the heavy lifting. The writers don't seem to get that plot is something that happens to the characters to bring them to life rather than something for its own sake.
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The_Doctor posted:I wonder if SNW’s success at the episodic format and writing really good compelling people on screen will give the Disco team any sense of introspection and maybe expand more in character development. Michelle Paradise via https://trekmovie.com/2022/06/11/star-trek-discovery-season-5-filming-soon-showrunner-sees-no-competition-with-strange-new-worlds/ posted:No, there’s absolutely no competition at all. And one of the things to Alex [Kurtzman]’s credit that he has said from the beginning is that each of these shows needs to occupy its own space within the larger universe because you don’t want two shows that feel very, very similar. So Discovery and Strange New Worlds, for example, feel very different by design. And Discovery is heavily serialized. And when Strange New Worlds came out, I know, they worked very hard to make sure that it would be its own distinct thing. At least no changes episodic/serialized.
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