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Zereth
Jul 9, 2003



Creature posted:

Assuming that this place is like the other flea markets I’ve been to here in :finland:, that isn’t really possible. Individuals rent a spot in the store and fill it with whatever crap they want. The store just sells it on their behalf. That’s why you see weird poo poo like piles of old keyboards still in boxes, or a collection of old power cables and computer magazines from 2003. Sometimes there’s some good stuff, but most of the time it’s just trash which someone’s convinced themselves is worth a few €.
They said thrift store, not flea market.

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His Divine Shadow
Aug 7, 2000

I'm not a fascist. I'm a priest. Fascists dress up in black and tell people what to do.

LifeSunDeath posted:

this really does look like an AI image to me. can't quite make out what anything is but it's oddly familiar.

It was really difficult to find stuff a lot of the time, because some sellers just piled crap like this and seemingly left it for years, you would have to dig in the piles to see what you could get. A common problem too was you'd find something but the seller had priced it 2x what it might sell for.

I did get a lot of useful stuff out of it through the years despite that.
- 3-phase motor
- Working chain hoist
- Taps, drills, chisels, hammers, planes, handsaws
- Festool sander, circular saw

And so on...

BuckT.Trend
Apr 22, 2003

My god, it's full of stars!

Jasper Tin Neck posted:

Went down to the local thrift store, which had plenty to offer for friends of old tech. Could I interest you in:

An over-the-shoulder video camera?


I would totally have bought that video camera. What were they asking for it?

Porfiriato
Jan 4, 2016


Yeah, that appears to be a Sony DXC-1820P, which seems like kind of a wild thing to find laying around in a thrift store. The lack of a tape deck means it's meant as a studio/broadcast camera, though if you were fond of destroying your shoulders even more I suppose you could attach to a standalone deck slung over your shoulder.

FIX SIGNS
Aug 29, 2006

You're fucking great,
just do what you can.

Porfiriato posted:

Yeah, that appears to be a Sony DXC-1820P, which seems like kind of a wild thing to find laying around in a thrift store. The lack of a tape deck means it's meant as a studio/broadcast camera, though if you were fond of destroying your shoulders even more I suppose you could attach to a standalone deck slung over your shoulder.

I remember my dad having a similar camera to this; Also without a tape deck.

I don't think they were for studio use and were generally meant to be used with the shoulder slung tape deck.

We had this weird two piece VCR back in the early/mid 80s the part that had the tape deck disconnected from the side with the controls, power supply etc and slipped into a shoulder bag and you hooked it up to the camera.


Edit: just noticed the site was dealing with broadcast and studio cameras so, welp.

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ynohtna
Feb 16, 2007

backwoods compatible
Illegal Hen
Goddamn if the simple old Z80 chip has still got depths to explore. Bless this mad lad hacker.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DLSUAVPKeYk

Sweevo
Nov 8, 2007

i sometimes throw cables away

i mean straight into the bin without spending 10+ years in the box of might-come-in-handy-someday first

im a fucking monster

Calling that a secret hidden feature is some clickbait bullshit (as he later admits). People have been using the Z80's odd features to do crazy poo poo since day one - like using the DRAM refresh feature to generate video.

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ynohtna
Feb 16, 2007

backwoods compatible
Illegal Hen

Sweevo posted:

Calling that a secret hidden feature is some clickbait bullshit (as he later admits). People have been using the Z80's odd features to do crazy poo poo since day one - like using the DRAM refresh feature to generate video.

Oh, you're absolutely correct.

There's just something that tickles me about this dumb old microprocessor dog not being left in peace while there's still new tricks to teach it.

Crime on a Dime
Nov 28, 2006

FIX SIGNS posted:

I would love having that microfiche reader, but can you readily find old microfiches, nowadays?

Having a bunch of old newspaper fiches would own.

I have the feeling most orgs dont throw out their microfiche because nobody wants to digitise them. from what I have seen they have the viewers that connect to a pc by usb and scan individual documents when they need them

Nidhg00670000
Mar 26, 2010

We're in the pipe, five by five.
Grimey Drawer
I have a microfiche reader in my garage at this very moment, along with a lot of microfiche study material for mechanics courses from Mercedes.

Code Jockey
Jan 24, 2006

69420 basic bytes free

Nidhg00670000 posted:

I have a microfiche reader in my garage at this very moment, along with a lot of microfiche study material for mechanics courses from Mercedes.

that sounds rad as hell, I assume there's lots of schematics? How clear are they?

my microfiche experience is "broke rear end country high school, broke rear end country library" so I guess I wonder how the professional stuff was

Dick Trauma
Nov 30, 2007

God damn it, you've got to be kind.
At my old retail job back in the Eighties we had a microfiche for looking up SKUs. This young dude was working with me and he referred to it as "the fish" because he thought it was called a "microfish" and that we were all just pronouncing the "fish" part strangely.

Also, his name was Michael J. Fox which made him the subject of plenty of ribbing.

Pham Nuwen
Oct 30, 2010



We had a microfiche copy of the source code for VMS at a previous job. I like micro(film|fiche) but trying to read source like that seems unpleasant.

Kwyndig
Sep 23, 2006

Heeeeeey


It's not bad to read, the text and illustrations are solid black lines if the microfilm has been taken care of properly. You might want to turn the light up or down based on your own visual preference. The advantage of microfiche is that it lasts for loving ever and can easily be read with a large or small lens of the correct magnification and a light source.

Dick Trauma
Nov 30, 2007

God damn it, you've got to be kind.
Reminds me of the hours I spent in college working with microfilm. Do enough of that and you'll see the stuff rushing past when you close your eyes.

Jasper Tin Neck
Nov 14, 2008


"Scientifically proven, rich and creamy."

Creature posted:

Assuming that this place is like the other flea markets I’ve been to here in :finland:, that isn’t really possible. Individuals rent a spot in the store and fill it with whatever crap they want. The store just sells it on their behalf. That’s why you see weird poo poo like piles of old keyboards still in boxes, or a collection of old power cables and computer magazines from 2003. Sometimes there’s some good stuff, but most of the time it’s just trash which someone’s convinced themselves is worth a few €.

This was a thrift store run by the municipal waste management agency as a waste reduction/employment assistance scheme. Like a public Goodwill.

The large amount of AV gear suggest to me some AV company cleared out the old gear from their back room. I don't remember the prices, but big items are usually surprisingly cheap to ensure turnover.

Dick Trauma
Nov 30, 2007

God damn it, you've got to be kind.
https://twitter.com/RMCRetro/status/1584640239850901504?s=20&t=EwUmZ9S-WEmgdwXb4CsY8g

90s Solo Cup
Feb 22, 2011

To understand the cup
He must become the cup



Code Jockey posted:

that sounds rad as hell, I assume there's lots of schematics? How clear are they?

my microfiche experience is "broke rear end country high school, broke rear end country library" so I guess I wonder how the professional stuff was

Mine was my mom using microfiche to do her genealogy research. Something I had absolutely zero interest in as a kid, but now I kinda wish she had it better documented.

Dick Trauma
Nov 30, 2007

God damn it, you've got to be kind.
:science:

https://twitter.com/DJSnM/status/1585675030200872960?s=20&t=4qhFGbg-_gDVzuT_StU_KQ

Wipfmetz
Oct 12, 2007

Sitzen ein oder mehrere Wipfe in einer Lore, so kann man sie ueber den Rand der Lore hinausschauen sehen.
That's a cute issue.

I would have expected mechanical drives to have more problems with Zero G.

Radia
Jul 14, 2021

And someday, together.. We'll shine.

holy gently caress

Humphreys
Jan 26, 2013

We conceived a way to use my mother as a porn mule



Thought I'd do a quicky and dirty enhance on the enhance:

https://i.imgur.com/07QzxgO.mp4

Rappaport
Oct 2, 2013

Wipfmetz posted:

That's a cute issue.

I would have expected mechanical drives to have more problems with Zero G.

The discs themselves weigh fairly little, you'd think mechanical grabbing etc. would be more reliable than trusting that weight would, erm, pull its weight in the design.

Wipfmetz
Oct 12, 2007

Sitzen ein oder mehrere Wipfe in einer Lore, so kann man sie ueber den Rand der Lore hinausschauen sehen.
Of course. I've had a brainfart and confused weight with mass, which might affect balancing and inertia.

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LifeSunDeath
Jan 4, 2007

still gay rights and smoke weed every day

Humphreys posted:

Thought I'd do a quicky and dirty enhance on the enhance:

https://i.imgur.com/07QzxgO.mp4



they should have done that AI uprez thing

Blue Footed Booby
Oct 4, 2006

got those happy feet

Serperoth posted:

What would be on 1909 GameFAQs? I don't think even Choose Your Own Adventure books and the like existed right?

War games existed by then, including one written by iirc H G Wells.

Rev. Bleech_
Oct 19, 2004

~OKAY, WE'LL DRINK TO OUR LEGS!~

Jasper Tin Neck posted:

Or a microfiche reader, small tv or a betamax player?


For the right price I'd be all over the Betamax, especially with automatic tracking. My dad's tapes of MTV countdowns from 1985 and 86 must be freed.

Humphreys
Jan 26, 2013

We conceived a way to use my mother as a porn mule


LifeSunDeath posted:

they should have done that AI uprez thing

Thats what I did to an extent. Using Topaz.

LifeSunDeath
Jan 4, 2007

still gay rights and smoke weed every day

Humphreys posted:

Thats what I did to an extent. Using Topaz.

oh i see, nice.

DC to Daylight
Feb 13, 2012

I've been helping my dad clean up a bunch of old junk lately. Not much is threadworthy. Here's one of the more interesting pieces.

The HP 7585B Pen Plotter:



The paper goes forward and backward and the print head moves left and right. It uses specially shaped felt pen type markers to draw.

Control panel, with joystick on the front. You could drive the pen around the paper manually if you wanted.



Crapload of communications options on the back. All set up with piano switches. RS-232 and HP proprietary interface. I don't remember what happens when you push the confidence test button. Probably something bad.



And the rotary carousel on the top right. Up to eight markers.



This thing was cool to see in operation. Last time we used it, I was still a kid. We used our old Mac IIcx (which was pretty obsolete by then) and printed some stuff from an ancient drafting program called Dreams. If I remember correctly, we had to make up a cable to connect it because the mac serial port didn't have all the right status lines. As a vector graphics device, it printed really well - just colored lines and hatching, but nice and sharp.

Also, if anyone in the metro Boston area wants this beast, as a plotter or for parts, send me a PM - you can have it if you pick it up.

Bonus obsolete tech. The house was built in the early 70's and had all the high tech poo poo for the day, like an intercom. It also had this near where the TV was supposed to go.



The top is just standard coax. The bottom used to connect to a box with a compass rose. Turn the knob on the box, and the large (~ 7 feet) antenna in the attic turns to match it. This actually worked great for aiming it towards the station of choice. The box is long gone, as is the antenna and the analog signals it was meant to receive.

boar guy
Jan 25, 2007

DC to Daylight posted:


The HP 7585B Pen Plotter:



we had one of those in my CAD class in high school. you only had to do one drawing the whole semester so everyone finished their drawing the first week and then played Another World on the lab PC's while the bored footballcoachteacher chilled with a newspaper and printed them out

coldpudding
May 14, 2009

FORUM GHOST
Damm that's a cool machine, If I had one of those I'd have it running all day making posters and woodworking plans, I wish I could take it but sadly I am on the other side of the world.

Dicty Bojangles
Apr 14, 2001

Plotters are neither obsolete nor failed- blueprints and the like are prepared using them because they allow for accurate reproduction of vector graphics. Stick an knife in it and you’ve got the tool the vast majority of sign making companies use for preparing vinyl lettering for your plumber’s van.

DC to Daylight
Feb 13, 2012

Dicty Bojangles posted:

Plotters are neither obsolete nor failed- blueprints and the like are prepared using them because they allow for accurate reproduction of vector graphics. Stick an knife in it and you’ve got the tool the vast majority of sign making companies use for preparing vinyl lettering for your plumber’s van.

Oh, definitely. And the way the X and Y axis work bear an awful lot of similarities to a 3d printer.

But I feel like this particular one, with its 25 pin serial cable and all and probably no windows drivers since NT definitely counts as obsolete.

I was going to say it definitely counts as obsolete if you can't buy consumables anymore, but amazon still sells the pens! $25 and only in black ink, but drat, I'm surprised.

namlosh
Feb 11, 2014

I name this haircut "The Sad Rhino".

DC to Daylight posted:

Oh, definitely. And the way the X and Y axis work bear an awful lot of similarities to a 3d printer.

But I feel like this particular one, with its 25 pin serial cable and all and probably no windows drivers since NT definitely counts as obsolete.

I was going to say it definitely counts as obsolete if you can't buy consumables anymore, but amazon still sells the pens! $25 and only in black ink, but drat, I'm surprised.

Too bad you’re in Boston… I’ll bet CuriousMarc on YouTube would flip to have the thing. He literally found a way to refill the pens on his plotters since you couldn’t buy them anymore.
I’ll bet it’s not as obsolete as you think

LimaBiker
Dec 9, 2020




Not sure if pen plotters are at all in use anymore. At a company where i worked in 2017ish they had big 'plotters' to print hardware store layouts on a0 or a1 sheets of paper. Those were essentially just very large inkjet printers specifically for line drawings, fed by rolls of paper.

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Zopotantor
Feb 24, 2013

...und ist er drin dann lassen wir ihn niemals wieder raus...

DC to Daylight posted:

Crapload of communications options on the back. All set up with piano switches. RS-232 and HP proprietary interface. I don't remember what happens when you push the confidence test button. Probably something bad.



HP-IB is just HP's name (because they came up with it) for the standard GPIB/IEEE-488 interface, which is unfortunately not obsolete yet.

Sweevo
Nov 8, 2007

i sometimes throw cables away

i mean straight into the bin without spending 10+ years in the box of might-come-in-handy-someday first

im a fucking monster

DC to Daylight posted:

But I feel like this particular one, with its 25 pin serial cable and all and probably no windows drivers since NT definitely counts as obsolete.

It probably uses some version of HPGL, which is (was?) the de-facto printer language for controlling pen plotters. There's almost certainly a generic HPGL driver you can use to get it working.

One Eye Open
Sep 19, 2006
Am I awake?

Sweevo posted:

It probably uses some version of HPGL, which is (was?) the de-facto printer language for controlling pen plotters. There's almost certainly a generic HPGL driver you can use to get it working.

From what the internet tells me, it uses HPGL/1.

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FilthyImp
Sep 30, 2002

Anime Deviant
I've used a bunch and they're awesome for making posters in the company dimr when you need to "calibrate" it.

They also break like a motherfucker.

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