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Sagebrush
Feb 26, 2012

maybe instead i will just get a jupiter-8 50mm f/2 from the soviet union. those are teeny and i already have the m39 adapter

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Beeftweeter
Jun 28, 2005

a medium-format picture of beeftweeter staring silently at the camera, a quizzical expression on his face
ime the cheapo chinese lenses you can get for mirrorless systems are more like those. excellent performance, okay-ish optics, cheap as poo poo manual controls and built like a tank

they're not for everyone of course but i love them

bobmarleysghost
Mar 7, 2006



echinopsis posted:

I share a lot of other peoples work on my instagram story and drat.. I’ve got some good taste

you can't post this and not post what you post on your IG stories.

echinopsis
Apr 13, 2004

by Fluffdaddy

bobmarleysghost posted:

you can't post this and not post what you post on your IG stories.














echinopsis
Apr 13, 2004

by Fluffdaddy

bobmarleysghost posted:

you can't post this and not post what you post on your IG stories.














more to come

one of these is mine 🥹

Megabound
Oct 20, 2012

Ah, I see you're conflating horny with good

Achmed Jones
Oct 16, 2004



that's his whole _thing_

akadajet
Sep 14, 2003

Megabound posted:

Ah, I see you're conflating horny with good

things can be both horny and good

akadajet
Sep 14, 2003

if you want an eyeful of horny and bad disable the nsfw filter on Flickr. keep some bleach around

echinopsis
Apr 13, 2004

by Fluffdaddy

bobmarleysghost posted:

you can't post this and not post what you post on your IG stories.
















echinopsis
Apr 13, 2004

by Fluffdaddy

Megabound posted:

Ah, I see you're conflating horny with good

:rolleyes:

Achmed Jones posted:

that's his whole _thing_

:rolleyes:

akadajet posted:

things can be both horny and good

extremely true, but also, just because it involves a women doesn’t make it horny. a lot of people don’t get this

echinopsis
Apr 13, 2004

by Fluffdaddy

bobmarleysghost posted:

you can't post this and not post what you post on your IG stories.

the last bunch










all of these and more are some great photos that have inspired me and also others. it’s because of this kind of thing that people message me and tell me they want to do work like this.

Bloody
Mar 3, 2013

this isn’t horny posting it’s just 30 partially nude women between the ages of 20 and 30. not horny!

Megabound
Oct 20, 2012

Lots of people tell me they like my photos of young mostly naked women and they find it inspiring and would love to take photos of young mostly naked women themselves.

echinopsis
Apr 13, 2004

by Fluffdaddy

Bloody posted:

this isn’t horny posting it’s just 30 partially nude women between the ages of 20 and 30. not horny!

lol


horny is when it turns you on, if you enjoy it for sexually gratifiying reasons, etc

turns out however you can appreciate things for many different reasons. some of these reasons might be deep and incrimohrensible by others.

echinopsis
Apr 13, 2004

by Fluffdaddy

Megabound posted:

Lots of people tell me they like my photos of young mostly naked women and they find it inspiring and would love to take photos of young mostly naked women themselves.

I thought you preferred landscapes

echinopsis
Apr 13, 2004

by Fluffdaddy
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weirdly I got less people messaging me and telling me they’d like to shoot something similar with these photos. but mostly because I don’t have a mountain or the sun following

Sagebrush
Feb 26, 2012

echinopsis posted:

lol


horny is when it turns you on, if you enjoy it for sexually gratifiying reasons, etc

turns out however you can appreciate things for many different reasons. some of these reasons might be deep and incrimohrensible by others.

So what's the non-horny reason that you have all these photos of young conventionally attractive half naked women? (And one young conventionally attractive half naked man).

Got any beautiful pictures on your timeline of, I don't know, old women making dumplings? Fat construction workers? Bus drivers and lunch ladies?

qirex
Feb 15, 2001

why is every trendy insta photographer afraid of the color black

echinopsis
Apr 13, 2004

by Fluffdaddy

Sagebrush posted:

So what's the non-horny reason that you have all these photos of young conventionally attractive half naked women? (And one young conventionally attractive half naked man).

because I like the photos? for lots of different reasons, and often I couldn’t tell you why, I just know I do. I sometimes wonder if this is a reason I am quite average (as opposed to good) photographer, because I often just wing it and hope I get some good photos, because I sort of don’t know what I am doing, I just know what I like when I see it.

for example the photo of the woman with red curly hair and woollen jumper and glasses. not horny at all, but I super love that photo. can I tell you why? I don’t have that insight

also, theres only actually a few images amongst all I posted that are “half naked”. I can see why some people would think some are a bit horny, but coming out the gate with nothing else to say about those images except to say they think they’re horny just makes me wonder

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Got any beautiful pictures on your timeline of, I don't know, old women making dumplings? Fat construction workers? Bus drivers and lunch ladies?

no, and I don’t really want any. i’m not a street photographer, or a real life photographer. i’m not trying to capture real life or strive for any kind of balance. I am not trying for any intersectionality points.

I repost photos that inspire me in the sense that I wish it was my photo or I’d like to have a shot at doing something similar myself. and also cultivating a set of images so people who are interested in my photography can get an idea for the kinds of photos I’d like to do, so if they hit me up about photos they can see what kind of work we could do.

it’s like how an artist can draw pictures of anything they want. the photography I am interested in doing is basically fantasy, the only reason to make it resemble real life would be self imposed. I have read criticisms of illustrators because they only draw slim
people and fat people aren’t represented, for example. but this is my photography and I just wanna take photos of what I like, and if it involves a model, take photos the model will be stoked to have.

Sagebrush
Feb 26, 2012

it sounds like you just have a different idea of where the line for "horny" is drawn than the rest of the thread. like you think that horny means explicitly sexual, softcore pornography perhaps, etc. okay, let's drop that term. most of the thread thinks that these photos you're posting are intended to be...salacious. titillating. the academic term for it would be "erotica." do you disagree?

echinopsis posted:

for example the photo of the woman with red curly hair and woollen jumper and glasses. not horny at all, but I super love that photo. can I tell you why? I don’t have that insight

right, not horny at all, except that she's a beautiful young woman with bright red lipstick and heavy blush and smoky eyes and messy bedroom hair gazing sensually into the distance

PokeJoe
Aug 24, 2004

hail cgatan


Megabound posted:

Lots of people tell me they like my photos of young mostly naked women and they find it inspiring and would love to take photos of young mostly naked women themselves.

echinopsis
Apr 13, 2004

by Fluffdaddy

qirex posted:

why is every trendy insta photographer afraid of the color black

all I can tell you is that when I A/B my own photos with regular “full” black vs raised blacks, I almost always prefer the raised blacks

I’ve got some theories:

“full black” looks cheap. these days any digital device can display deep blacks and take photos with black, so in this regard, full black looks like every day amateur snapchat photos, whereas raised blacks was traditionally a limitation of film, which is much more exclusive

it also removes detail, and in some cases, challenges the notion that more detail is better. our brains will usually still see the same image (as in it’s not like it means we can’t tell what’s going on) if some shadow detail is missing, and in fact perhaps it’s a way of isolating the detail that is left

it’s literally more “pleasant”




I’ve had a number of people tell me the like the style of my most recent photos for the “film look” and tbh 90% of the editing is raised blacks. I don’t think they look convincingly film myself, I do prefer the look, but if the average photo enjoyer likes it then I am happy with it.

Sagebrush
Feb 26, 2012

echinopsis posted:

no, and I don’t really want any. i’m not a street photographer, or a real life photographer. i’m not trying to capture real life or strive for any kind of balance. I am not trying for any intersectionality points.


it’s like how an artist can draw pictures of anything they want. the photography I am interested in doing is basically fantasy, the only reason to make it resemble real life would be self imposed.

Oh and re. this. Are you saying that you can't make dreamy fantasy images unless it's pictures of young attractive girls?



Is this photo not artistic and fantastic? What's the fantasy you're embedding in your images, exactly?

And woof to the line about "intersectionality points." Don't be a turd, dude

Sagebrush fucked around with this message at 09:11 on Jan 24, 2023

Megabound
Oct 20, 2012

qirex posted:

why is every trendy insta photographer afraid of the color black

Lifted blacks are a curse photographers will never escape.

Megabound
Oct 20, 2012

echinopsis posted:

“full black” looks cheap. these days any digital device can display deep blacks and take photos with black, so in this regard, full black looks like every day amateur snapchat photos, whereas raised blacks was traditionally a limitation of film, which is much more exclusive

it also removes detail, and in some cases, challenges the notion that more detail is better. our brains will usually still see the same image (as in it’s not like it means we can’t tell what’s going on) if some shadow detail is missing, and in fact perhaps it’s a way of isolating the detail that is left

Lifted blacks look like film not because it's a limitation of film but because of the quality of drug store prints most people associate with the film era, it's emulating cheapness and lack of effort. Whenever you think of "film look" you're thinking of bad lly executed prints. It also doesn't remove detail, it just squashes it into a narrower band.

Getting feedback that people like photos of attractive young women isn't surprising, it's all in the most prominent visual language that we are all exposed to every day of our lives, advertising. You see it in everything from selling you glasses to influencers everywhere. Of course people like it, we're taught to and it takes nothing to engage with.

qirex
Feb 15, 2001

mods namechange me to the contre jour enjoyer



e: those are all straight out of camera except for the crop on the second one, I'd knock out the remaining detail in the black areas if I was going to print them

qirex fucked around with this message at 09:49 on Jan 24, 2023

echinopsis
Apr 13, 2004

by Fluffdaddy

Sagebrush posted:

most of the thread thinks that these photos you're posting are intended to be...salacious. titillating. the academic term for it would be "erotica." do you disagree?

I don’t think you’re wrong, but again, perhaps I’d draw different lines than others, for example, the red head one, no, not erotica at all.

some people use the term glamour, and I suppose a lot of those fit into that category, but even then, I think it does it a disservice

for example this photo:


is it erotica? probably, but, can’t help but feel that’s too reductionistic




is this erotica? no, there’s just some legs, in fact she’s dressed in a bath with a glass of something, I don’t even think it’s glamour, it’s some kind of fabrication of an unlikely combination of things that I just simply enjoy



this is straight up glamour I suppose. this is my photo. it doesn’t tell much of a story, and in that regard, I wonder about how I can do more to tell
a story with future images. although that’s not necessary I suppose, I do really like it as does she, so maybe it’s fine?



this is my analysis.

echinopsis
Apr 13, 2004

by Fluffdaddy

Sagebrush posted:

Oh and re. this. Are you saying that you can't make dreamy fantasy images unless it's pictures of young attractive girls?



Is this photo not artistic and fantastic? What's the fantasy you're embedding in your images, exactly?

And woof to the line about "intersectionality points." Don't be a turd, dude

what I mean by fantasy is that it’s purely my choice what I want to share and photograph, and that I acknowledge it doesn’t represent a slice of the actual real world, otherwise it would have elderly people and etc. It’s valuable some people aim
to do that, but it’s not what I am interested in trying to achieve. I don’t mean fantasy in a lord of the rings way, perhaps it’s the wrong word

Megabound posted:

Lifted blacks look like film not because it's a limitation of film but because of the quality of drug store prints most people associate with the film era, it's emulating cheapness and lack of effort. Whenever you think of "film look" you're thinking of bad lly executed prints. It also doesn't remove detail, it just squashes it into a narrower band.

well even if it does just fake cheap film prints, it’s kinda achieving what it’s going for

and also idk what you mean by not removing detail. if I use the hard line raised black method, that means all the detail that exists between brightness 0-15 has been raised to 15. if there was detail let’s say a flower but it’s brightness was contained between 8-14 well then bringing all those values <15 to 15 means all of that data is lost. it’s all just 15 now


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Getting feedback that people like photos of attractive young women isn't surprising, it's all in the most prominent visual language that we are all exposed to every day of our lives, advertising. You see it in everything from selling you glasses to influencers everywhere. Of course people like it, we're taught to and it takes nothing to engage with.

perhaps. and maybe it means at this stage in my journey i’m using the easiest option, but tbf, the people giving me the feedback and telling me they’re interested in trying to recreate a photo (for example) are people in that demographic themselves.

like it’s not dudes going “drat that chick is hot” but people (usually women) “that big coat looks so glamorous”,



regardless, instagram is absolutely chocka with unashamed horny content, where the model looking hot is all that matters. I am really trying for something beyond that. maybe I haven’t gotten very far, I feel like there’s a decent gap, the reaction from the thread makes me feel like others don’t feel the same as me. I really do feel like the images I shared have value beyond pretty woman. it is interesting and makes me hesitant a bit. makes me wonder if I need to approach this differently? or maybe it’s good to hear the opinions of others but doesn’t mean I need to necessarily do anything differently. who knows.

once I did a shoot and I was definitely trying to make the model look hot, show off her body, etc. some time later I kind of concluded that contemporary times has effectively infinite amounts of stuff like that, and that I didn’t want to just do what everyone else was doing, and also had a sense that I wanted to take photos that I would feel proud of showing to people in real life.

Megabound
Oct 20, 2012

Photos of people as I do take them sometimes





echinopsis
Apr 13, 2004

by Fluffdaddy
I especially like the first one. they are having fun

echinopsis
Apr 13, 2004

by Fluffdaddy
also

this is my rig

akadajet
Sep 14, 2003

echinopsis posted:

also

this is my rig



sigma balls

akadajet
Sep 14, 2003

Megabound posted:

Photos of people as I do take them sometimes







be careful. there are some conventionally attractive people in those. might be horny

akadajet
Sep 14, 2003

echinopsis posted:

also

this is my rig



does sigma make rf lenses or is that adapted?

polyester concept
Mar 29, 2017

the majority of photographs of people that i enjoy are candids that capture a fleeting moment. there's some environmental portrait photography that can be really good, too, but it doesn't usually hit me in the same way. not usually a fan of staged/posed stuff except from a strictly utilitarian perspective (family portraits for example, which you can still have a lot of fun with if your family is patient)

HAIL eSATA-n
Apr 7, 2007


akadajet posted:

sigma balls

:mrwhite:

polyester concept
Mar 29, 2017

i really, really love being a "fly on the wall" and taking candids at events, but I feel like most people do not like having their photo taken without express permission, so I feel like an ultra creeper most of the time. and then once you ask, people usually always stop to pose and that's not what i want!!! sometimes i wish i could just embrace being "the weirdo photographer" and not give a gently caress

bellows lugosi
Aug 9, 2003

echinopsis posted:

turns out however you can appreciate things for many different reasons. some of these reasons might be deep and incrimohrensible by others.

you just like advertising. those images are selling you the idea of being cool, or skinny, or young, or sexualized, or the idea that you're the cool photographer taking pictures of women who want to undress in front of you. they're selling you a lifestyle, and we grow up in a society where we're sold that visual lifestyle our entire lives. i don't think it's a mystery or incomprehensible why you'd find them alluring.

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Beeftweeter
Jun 28, 2005

a medium-format picture of beeftweeter staring silently at the camera, a quizzical expression on his face
lotta words in the photography thread

lol

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