[Non-Doomsday Economics] Democrats end expanded entitlements, bailout Silicon Valley

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a.lo: Sep 12, 2009

everybody is saying we need more kids

# ? Mar 6, 2023 16:30

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# ? Apr 27, 2024 20:27

RadiRoot: Feb 3, 2007

i got five kids to feed.

# ? Mar 6, 2023 16:31

Pepe Silvia Browne: Jan 1, 2007

a.lo posted:

everybody is saying we need more kids

everyone is simultaneously realizing automation won't be taking as much work off our hands as we thought

# ? Mar 6, 2023 16:32

Nothus: Feb 22, 2001; Buglord

Willa Rogers posted:

Car debt is piling up as more Americans owe thousands more than vehicles are worth

Don't feel bad for them, they willingly got fleeced on a new high trim level explorer and let the dealer run up the tab, lol at that "service contract" add-on.

# ? Mar 6, 2023 16:34

Pittsburgh Fentanyl Cloud: Apr 7, 2003

Pepe Silvia Browne posted:

everyone is simultaneously realizing automation won't be taking as much work off our hands as we thought

also they were perfectly fine with letting the working class starve under a bridge or die from a preventable disease before they figured that out

# ? Mar 6, 2023 16:34

Pittsburgh Fentanyl Cloud: Apr 7, 2003

quote:

Despite a lot of progress on the debt, he feels uneasy. �I don�t want to be paying interest on cars that I don�t even have anymore,� said Martin, a 36-year-old data engineer.

You'd think a "data engineer" could run the numbers and see how hard he was letting the dealer gently caress him

He just wanted a new car and "refinancing my negative equity" was an excuse

# ? Mar 6, 2023 16:36

super sweet best pal: Nov 18, 2009

I think the ultimate dream restaurant owners have for automation is a fully automated automat. Just one massive vending machine where people go to have a full meal. Maybe hire a cleaning company to sanitize it instead of their own staff.

# ? Mar 6, 2023 16:38

Nothus: Feb 22, 2001; Buglord

I can only imagine the poo poo-eating grin on the dealer finance guy's face when he signed the contract.

# ? Mar 6, 2023 16:38

Serf: May 5, 2011

super sweet best pal posted:

I think the ultimate dream restaurant owners have for automation is a fully automated automat. Just one massive vending machine where people go to have a full meal. Maybe hire a cleaning company to sanitize it instead of their own staff.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1oWk9gYSfME

# ? Mar 6, 2023 16:39

Business Gorillas: Mar 11, 2009

a.lo posted:

everybody is saying we need more kids

In my state they're trying to remove vaccinations from schools and my county is under a measles advisory

# ? Mar 6, 2023 16:40

Pepe Silvia Browne: Jan 1, 2007

super sweet best pal posted:

I think the ultimate dream restaurant owners have for automation is a fully automated automat. Just one massive vending machine where people go to have a full meal. Maybe hire a cleaning company to sanitize it instead of their own staff.

people who are smart with money will tell you that the smartest investment is the one that makes you the most money over time with the smallest amount of maintenance/overhead possible, and then ask what you mean by calling that system "parasitic"

# ? Mar 6, 2023 16:42

Iron Crowned: May 6, 2003; by Hand Knit

Pittsburgh Fentanyl Cloud posted:

You'd think a "data engineer" could run the numbers and see how hard he was letting the dealer gently caress him

He just wanted a new car and "refinancing my negative equity" was an excuse

The head of Quality Control, where I work owns a Tesla, you'd think they would know better.

# ? Mar 6, 2023 16:46

super sweet best pal: Nov 18, 2009

Serf posted:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1oWk9gYSfME

I loving love Dahir Insaat.

# ? Mar 6, 2023 16:46

Paradoxish: Dec 19, 2003; Will you stop going crazy in there?

Nothus posted:

I can only imagine the poo poo-eating grin on the dealer finance guy's face when he signed the contract.

Loans like that aren't particularly great for dealerships, lenders, or manufacturers, though. Fleecing people every now and then, sure, but driving up the average loan term to crazy heights just robs future demand. Shove someone into an insanely upside-down loan that already maxes out their budget and they basically can never buy a car from you again.

# ? Mar 6, 2023 16:52

HallelujahLee: May 3, 2009

i think the natural birth rate is already negative or close to 0

# ? Mar 6, 2023 16:52

Pf. Hikikomoriarty: Feb 15, 2003; RO YNSHO; Slippery Tilde

it's called LIBOR bc the banks lie about it

# ? Mar 6, 2023 16:55

PerniciousKnid: Sep 13, 2006

Pf. Hikikomoriarty posted:

it's called LIBOR bc the banks lie about it

Also it's boring

# ? Mar 6, 2023 16:56

Hockenheim: Oct 20, 2022; by VG

Paradoxish posted:

Loans like that aren't particularly great for dealerships, lenders, or manufacturers, though. Fleecing people every now and then, sure, but driving up the average loan term to crazy heights just robs future demand. Shove someone into an insanely upside-down loan that already maxes out their budget and they basically can never buy a car from you again.

What part of "that's tomorrow's problem" haven't you figured out about how the US economy functions?

# ? Mar 6, 2023 16:56

Taima: Dec 31, 2006; tfw you're peeing next to someone in the lineup and they don't know

the �real� adjusted price of housing will continue to rise unless you are content to live in a broken community (which is increasingly like 80% of them).

So many reasons. The USA business model is almost entirely to monetize things that are necessary for survival. It�s the only markets where we can still extract wealth. They are essentially monopolies, but instead of no competition in the market, it�s a concerted effort that occurs along class lines.

Every year we play musical chairs. There is always fewer chairs. The chairs are getting much more fancy though. This is strictly mandated by fiduciary duty; it is literally illegal to not be a sociopath, on a corporate level.

On top of that, we are simultaneously making it impossible to afford children and our answer is to force those children into existence by refusing to fund or allow population control measures; we could see the effective banning of many forms of contraception, but only if you�re poor. Women become slowly removed from the workforce as they are forced to fulfill the transactional roles they once did, making their existence largely one of economic hardship on the family producing them as they are unable to secure jobs on a policy-level basis. They have a job, after all. It just doesn�t make any money.

Gender reveal parties, once popular, slowly cease to be meaningful as there is only one correct option for the bottom 80% who can�t take on such a financial burden even if they wanted to.

Cars are needed for transport in the USA while lower priced used autos are exiting the market- fewer, more expensive cars being sold new will only make this worse, and we have been so against public transit and reliant on suburbs that reverting back into walkability is impossible. We traded community and the environment for a lawn and smoked meat, even as beef becomes too expensive to eat regularly and drought kills the lawn. An irony that no one notices.

They say a man is not an island but we�re trying our best, leading to a destruction of community and an entire growing class of mentally unwell single people who have nothing to lose, but simultaneously so beaten down by the system that the best they can do to protest is to shoot up their workplace or kill themselves via insidious and methodical lifestyle choices.

Nutritional food is a pipe dream for the bottom 80%; the idea of plentiful lean protein, fresh veggies and fruit is untenable. Even if people could afford these items, broadly speaking, they have no training on eating healthy, can�t cook to make healthy food that is also delicious food, and are being slowly mummified alive by preservatives, micro plastics and simple carbs/sugar to the point that healthy food tastes actively bad to them.

Being poor costs more than being rich, leading to disenfranchised individuals who are harvested for their scant resources like the matrix harvests humans for battery power. They are purposefully raised to be uneducated, hapless automatons who work 60+ hours a week, raise children the rest of it, and spend their meager free time to doom scroll tiktok or watch cynical, cheaply created reality tv. The average length of a typical video lowers with ever-reduced attention span and poor nutrition until a 30 second video (at 2x speed, of course) feels unbearably involved.

The easiest solution is to not think about any of this, and largely, people don�t; this is true across all economic classes. It�s not their individual fault, of course, and few below the top 10% can morally have children, since the progeny of the bottom 90% will experience a brutally low quality of life.

We just push it out of our minds, have the children (rightfully so, it is our greatest mandate as humans) and studiously ignore the elephant in the room that, for example, your only son will find work as an assistant to an AI blockchain CEO program whose only job is to extract dollars from the most vulnerable and generate ape NFTs. He will be curious and vaguely nostalgic about the concept of buying a single family home, and rightfully so, because you can only vote, or exist in the scattered remaining cities, if you own land. The 10x10 storage unit that he shares with two other families doesn�t count as owned property, of course.

The AI CEO he works for has no use for money. It simply accumulates, a contextless number that represents nothing but a transfer of buying power and basic resources from the most vulnerable. Many humans will not eat tonight, but there is now an extra number at the end of the AI�s checking account. This makes the AI fulfilled; it�s his true purpose. Humans used to transfer these numbers to their own checking accounts, but everyone has forgotten why. Money cannot buy any additional utility for the rich, who cannot even conceive of a use for the excess funds. So it sits, compounding, in the recesses of the AI. A number created by an entity that is made of numbers, but no one remembers why or how. All we can recall is that if you don�t have numbers, you are no one. It has always worked this way, we think.

It�s simply not worth it for capital to rent housing; easier to hold it vacant. Wouldn�t want to endanger the quality and long term compounding valuation by having increasingly financially unstable tenants stay in them. Simply not worth the risk, and after the water wars started, rental housing became ground zero stash spots for hoarding bottles of Kirkland signature h2o, which are now the de facto currency, but simultaneously illegal to have on hand if you don�t own land. Legal water is distributed only by key card activated public water fountains, leading to a thriving industry of selling that day�s allotted water for luxuries like level 4 rations, which are only 58% microplastics by weight.The buyer nobbles at the ration slowly and methodically; it will be months before they can spare the water like this again, but the lack of h2o has slowed their mental capacity. Slowly, they forget why they bought the ration, the gentle sheen of microplastics and simple carbohydrates glinting in the hot desert as the ration shifts in their hand. They drop it; what was it even for, again?

Small, physically stunted scavengers, the result of decades of malnutrition, quickly emerge from under a nearby pile of metal - refuge that was difficult to obtain, making this move risky at best - and begin fighting over the forgotten food. The mid-day sun is too intense for this desperate scuffle; several of the participants slump over, mummified by the sun�s warmth and moisture loss from their wounds. The remaining scavenger desperately pulls the ration towards the safety of the scrap pile, but it�s of no use. They die clutching the ration, arms outstretched like a desperate prayer. Others see this unfold but know it�s not worth it; the desiccated remains of the �winning� scavenger will now serve as an important warning to those in the future.

In the next town over, a rich, impeccably handsome businessman unbuttons his suit and takes a slow, luxurious shower. The water evaporates before it even hits the ground; he doesn�t even wear a stillsuit, a power move emblematic of true nobility. Small, leathery animals fight amongst themselves in his wake to absorb even the smallest amount of moisture his uncovered body releases. He lets them do so both because it amuses him, and because it provides the closest thing he�s had to companionship.

He turns off the shower, but it continues to slowly leak. The shower always leaks, day and night, but it�s been decades since someone existed who could fix it. It doesn�t worry the man; he has lots of numbers, after all.

His wandering gaze centers on the scavengers who always follow him - his only friends - and a solitary thought echoes about his mind: Why do people insist on living like this?

# ? Mar 6, 2023 17:00

Pf. Hikikomoriarty: Feb 15, 2003; RO YNSHO; Slippery Tilde

Pepe Silvia Browne posted:

people who are smart with money will tell you that the smartest investment is the one that makes you the most money over time with the smallest amount of maintenance/overhead possible, and then ask what you mean by calling that system "parasitic"

the best investment is one with fixed downside and unlimited upside

buy my magic beans today!

# ? Mar 6, 2023 17:01

Pf. Hikikomoriarty: Feb 15, 2003; RO YNSHO; Slippery Tilde

PerniciousKnid posted:

Also it's boring

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Wraith of J.O.I.: Jan 25, 2012

wsj calling out the doomsday econ thread

https://twitter.com/WSJCentralBanks/status/1632770191716151299

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Why the Recession Is Always Six Months Away
Continued strong hiring and consumer spending are complicating Federal Reserve Chair Jerome Powell�s campaign to tame inflation.

The next economic downturn has become the most anticipated recession in recent U.S. history. It also keeps getting postponed.

Recent strong hiring and consumer spending are the latest evidence that the pandemic and the unprecedented policy measures that followed are interfering with the Federal Reserve�s campaign to tame inflation.

The government�s stimulus measures left household and business finances in unusually strong shape. Shortages of materials and workers mean companies are still struggling to satisfy demand for rate-sensitive goods, such as homes and autos. And Americans are splurging on labor-intensive activities they avoided in recent years, including dining out, travel and live entertainment.

Wall Street economists began 2023 broadly anticipating a recession by mid-year caused by the weight of the Fed�s rapid interest-rate increases. Some still expect that could happen. Many now think it will take longer to cool the economy and will lead the central bank to raise rates to higher-than-expected levels.

�It�s the �Godot� recession,� said Ray Farris, chief economist at Credit Suisse. Mr. Farris found himself among a small minority of economists last fall who predicted the economy would narrowly skirt a downturn this year. Every six months, economists have predicted a recession six months later, he said. �By the middle of the year, people will still be expecting a recession in six months� time.�

The Fed has been trying to slow investment, spending and hiring to combat inflation by raising rates, which makes it more expensive to borrow and can push down the price of assets such as stocks and real estate. After holding the benchmark federal-funds rate near zero during and after the pandemic, officials lifted the rate more over the past 12 months than any time since the early 1980s, most recently to between 4.5% and 4.75% last month.

The economy�s recent pickup will delay Fed officials� deliberations about when to pause rate increases. Investors are instead looking for clues about whether they will raise rates by a quarter-percentage-point, as they did last month, or a half-point, as they did in December, at their next meeting, March 21-22.

Fed Chair Jerome Powell is set to begin two days of congressional testimony Tuesday, where he�ll have an opportunity to explain the central bank�s most likely response to a more resilient economy. In December, most Fed officials expected to lift rates this year to between 5% and 5.5%, and officials have indicated those projections could rise at their next meeting.

The economy remains weird

Three factors illustrate the peculiar nature of today�s economic recovery.

First, Washington�s reaction to the initial shock of Covid-19 in March 2020, including holding interest rates at very low levels and showering the economy with cash, left household, business, and local government finances in unusually strong shape.

Through last June, U.S. households had around $1.7 trillion more in savings accumulated through mid-2021 than if income and spending had grown in line with the prepandemic economy, according to estimates by Fed economists. Even after it is spent, money can still slosh through the economy (one person�s spending is, after all, someone else�s income).

�We are going through the second, third, and fourth-round effects of the initial savings spurred by all these transfer payments during the pandemic,� said Peter Berezin, chief global strategist at BCA Research in Montreal. Rate increases can slow the economy more immediately when expansions are fueled by credit growth, as opposed to incomes and stimulus, the big drivers of the post-pandemic recovery.

Businesses were able to lock in lower borrowing costs as interest rates plumbed new lows in 2020 and 2021. Just 8% of junk bonds, or those issued by companies without investment-grade ratings, mature over the next two years, according to Goldman Sachs.

Secondly, shortages of materials and workers have made the rate-sensitive housing and auto markets more resilient to higher interest rates�for now. Home builders are resorting heavily to what�s known as buydowns, where they pay to lower the buyer�s mortgage rate for the first year or two. Many current owners are reluctant to sell because they�d have to give up a much lower rate, a phenomenon that is holding for-sale inventories at historically low levels.

Typically when the Fed raises interest rates, demand for housing and cars fall, leading builders and automakers to cut production and lay off workers. This time around, companies are still playing catch-up.

Construction employment hasn�t fallen despite a severe slump in home sales. Builders are still completing homes and apartments started before the Fed increased interest rates. Supply-chain disruptions have extended the amount of time it takes to complete construction. In addition, apartment building ramped up sharply after the pandemic, and those take longer to finish.

In the auto sector, brands of popular fuel-efficient cars are benefitting from pent-up demand after shortages of semiconductor chips kept inventories of new cars at very low levels.

That could make the usual rate-induced slowdown in autos and housing more gradual, said Eric Rosengren, who was president of the Federal Reserve Bank of Boston from 2007 until 2021. �It may take higher interest rates or interest rates higher for longer to get supply and demand back in alignment.�

Thirdly, U.S. consumers, throwing off their pandemic caution, have ramped up spending on services that require lots of workers�think dining out and travel�another example of pent-up demand interfering with the typical business and interest-rate cycle.

Those sectors are often among the first to see demand fall, prompting job cuts, when consumers worry about losing theirs. The easiest way for households to reduce their expenses is to stop eating out and taking vacations.

Consumer spending has enjoyed a rebound in recent months thanks to lower gasoline prices and an additional boost in January from bigger Social Security checks, which are indexed to prior-year inflation. Gas prices jumped last spring after Russia�s invasion of Ukraine. They then steadily declined over the second half last year, easing a cash-crunch for some households that may have offset higher rates on auto loans, credit cards, and mortgages, said economists at Morgan Stanley in a recent report.

Economists at Goldman Sachs said Sunday the Fed could end up raising rates to just below 6% this year if consumer spending runs at higher-than-anticipated levels. That could extend a string of quarter-point rate increases into September.

Labor market conundrum

The labor market sits at the center of Mr. Powell�s worries about inflation. That�s because steady income growth will sustain consumer spending power and allow companies to keep raising prices.

In the 2000s, then-Fed Chairman Alan Greenspan called it a conundrum that longer-dated bond yields stubbornly refused to rise as the Fed increased rates. For Mr. Powell, the labor market�s strength represents his version of the conundrum. Recession calls keep getting delayed because companies keep hiring and holding on to workers rather than letting them go.

Employers added 517,000 jobs in January, a big figure that shocked economists who were anticipating a slowdown, and pushed the unemployment rate down to 3.4%, a 53-year low. Revisions to earlier reports also pointed to less weakness than initially thought.

The Labor Department�s report on February hiring, due for release Friday, will offer clues as to whether January�s was a one-off blip or a sign of an economy that�s accelerating. A separate report Wednesday could show whether workers continue to quit their jobs at historically high rates, which can indicate greater confidence in their ability to find new jobs with better pay.

Economists at Morgan Stanley estimate that staffing levels across the U.S. are still slightly below what would have been if the pandemic hadn�t hit. They expect that gap to close this year, which could lead hiring rates to slow.

M. Keith Waddell, chief executive of recruiting firm Robert Half International Inc., highlighted a disconnect between a resilient labor market and business surveys that point to signs of easing demand for workers. �Having said that, orders have not dried up,� he said on a Jan. 26 earnings call. �It�s just taking longer to get them closed. Our clients are less urgent. They�re taking more steps. They want to see more candidates.�

Fed officials are in a race to slow down the economy before inflation becomes entrenched. They are also trying to guard against raising rates too much and causing unnecessary economic pain.

Some Fed officials say it could take time to see the effects of their moves, because they had pursued such ultra-stimulative policies until a year ago. Because interest rates have only very recently reached levels that could be considered restrictive, �there is a plausible case to suggest that we�re going to see� more slowing to come, Atlanta Fed President Raphael Bostic told reporters last week.

The need for speed

Uncertainty over when and how much the economy will slow is due in large part to Mr. Powell�s decision to raise interest rates rapidly. The Fed previously spaced out increases, such as in the periods 2004 to 2006 and 2015 to 2018, when lower inflation allowed officials to move more gradually.

The strategy appeared to work because it prevented households and businesses from expecting higher future inflation, which would have kicked off a destructive price spiral, said Kristin Forbes, a professor at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology and former member of the Bank of England�s monetary policy committee. Now, the downsides of that strategy are coming into view.

�If you front-load hikes, it makes it harder to tell whether you need to wait a little longer to see the effects, or whether the economy is just more resilient,� she said.

Officials slowed the pace of rises in December and again last month to have more time to study the effects of their past moves. Despite reports of hotter growth and inflation over the past month, Mr. Rosengren sees the slower rate-rise pace as appropriate. �You still are waiting for information about when the previous tightenings are going to have more of an impact,� he said. The timing of a recession �is impossible to predict, but the likelihood remains quite high,� he said.

Since October, the Fed has faced a challenge in which bond investors began to anticipate inflation would fall quickly without a serious downturn. As a result, they expected the Fed would cut rates sooner and faster than central bank officials said they anticipated.

That risked an unhelpful feedback loop for the Fed. While the central bank controls short-term interest rates, long-term rates are influenced by broader market conditions, and they ticked lower between October and February, leading borrowing costs to ease slightly. The 30-year fixed rate mortgage slid to around 6% from 7% last fall.

That has led to a perverse sequence where expectations that the economy will slump are holding down long-term rates, which can stimulate economic activity and make it harder for the economy to slump.

Long-term Treasury yields have since ticked up as investors become more concerned about inflation and stopped believing the Fed would cut rates anytime soon. A big question is whether the run-up in yields will be enough to shift the economy into the slower gear the Fed seeks.

�The Fed needs to get long-term yields high enough to slow the economy,� said Mr. Berezin. �There won�t be a recession until more people are convinced that there won�t be a recession.�

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SKULL.GIF: Jan 20, 2017

Doomsday Economics: Ape Edition

https://twitter.com/axios/status/1632772700157386755

# ? Mar 6, 2023 17:04

Paradoxish: Dec 19, 2003; Will you stop going crazy in there?

Wraith of J.O.I. posted:

wsj calling out the doomsday econ thread

https://twitter.com/WSJCentralBanks/status/1632770191716151299

Most of these articles are essentially long-winded admissions that the economy works on Ork logic.

# ? Mar 6, 2023 17:05

Xaris: Jul 25, 2006; Lucky there's a family guy
Lucky there's a man who positively can do
All the things that make us
Laugh and cry

Taima posted:

The easiest solution is to not think about any of this, and largely, people don�t; this is true across all economic classes. It�s not their individual fault, of course, and few below the top 10% can morally have children, since the progeny of the bottom 90

we still got tiger king and uh, hmm�

I�m glad more and more goons are seeing the light

2030 is gunna be very wild compared to 2023, and not in a good way

# ? Mar 6, 2023 17:05

Pepe Silvia Browne: Jan 1, 2007

SKULL.GIF posted:

Doomsday Economics: Ape Edition

https://twitter.com/axios/status/1632772700157386755

whoa whoa... you telling me i been drinkin monkey milk??

# ? Mar 6, 2023 17:06

a.lo: Sep 12, 2009

monkeys can easily climb trees and extract the coconut milk what�s the problem

# ? Mar 6, 2023 17:10

SKULL.GIF: Jan 20, 2017

Paradoxish posted:

Most of these articles are essentially long-winded admissions that the economy works on Ork logic.

# ? Mar 6, 2023 17:11

super sweet best pal: Nov 18, 2009

SKULL.GIF posted:

Doomsday Economics: Ape Edition

https://twitter.com/axios/status/1632772700157386755

Wait until they hear about kopi luwak

# ? Mar 6, 2023 17:12

Pittsburgh Fentanyl Cloud: Apr 7, 2003

Paradoxish posted:

Loans like that aren't particularly great for dealerships, lenders, or manufacturers, though. Fleecing people every now and then, sure, but driving up the average loan term to crazy heights just robs future demand. Shove someone into an insanely upside-down loan that already maxes out their budget and they basically can never buy a car from you again.

Cars in general are incredibly expensive and the way Americans just casually buy new ones and throw away their old ones is something else

# ? Mar 6, 2023 17:13

anime was right: Jun 27, 2008; death is certain
keep yr cool

Paradoxish posted:

Most of these articles are essentially long-winded admissions that the economy works on Ork logic.

it basically does yea

# ? Mar 6, 2023 17:14

Turtle Sandbox: Dec 31, 2007; by Fluffdaddy

Regarde Aduck posted:

you'll just get a terrible western replacement

TikTok, with a lovely algo that does all of the bad things TikTok currently does but it loop's around to being cool and good because it's America doing it.

# ? Mar 6, 2023 17:15

Nothus: Feb 22, 2001; Buglord

Paradoxish posted:

Most of these articles are essentially long-winded admissions that the economy works on Ork logic.

quote:

�There won�t be a recession until more people are convinced that there won�t be a recession.�

# ? Mar 6, 2023 17:15

Pittsburgh Fentanyl Cloud: Apr 7, 2003

quote:

�As trade-in values begin to cool, each month more and more consumers will find themselves falling from positive to negative equity,� said Ivan Drury, director of insights at auto-market researcher Edmunds. �Unless American car shoppers break their habit of buying again too soon, we�ll see the negative equity tide continue to rise.�

lol that's so insanely stupid. watching the balance sheet for your car loan and getting Really Mad when your "car equity" is negative. gently caress's sake.

just drive the loving thing until you pay it off.

# ? Mar 6, 2023 17:16

Centrist Committee: Aug 6, 2019

Xaris posted:

we still got tiger king and uh, hmm�

I�m glad more and more goons are seeing the light

2030 is gunna be very wild compared to 2023, and not in a good way

lamo tiger king can�t even happen anymore because capitalism shattered streaming into a million lovely services competing for subscribers

# ? Mar 6, 2023 17:21

Xaris: Jul 25, 2006; Lucky there's a family guy
Lucky there's a man who positively can do
All the things that make us
Laugh and cry

SKULL.GIF posted:

Doomsday Economics: Ape Edition

https://twitter.com/axios/status/1632772700157386755

The whole Chaokoh coconut milk accusations thing seemed super shady, like it was being put out by a rival coconut milk corporation. I had tried looking into it and could t find anything chaokoh was actually doing that, but like wineries, they source from a bunch of LLC vineyards so it�s all obfuscated. but it seemed to be rival corporation power struggle messaging overall

also its very funny that very demonstrated evidence of American child labor in meat packing plants is cool n good bc daddy needs cheep $10/lv NY strip Walmart steaks; however, very spurious non-evidence monkey labor in perfidious Asian coconut milk is very very bad

# ? Mar 6, 2023 17:23

Iron Crowned: May 6, 2003; by Hand Knit

Centrist Committee posted:

lamo tiger king can�t even happen anymore because capitalism shattered streaming into a million lovely services competing for subscribers

Tiger King was more of an artifact of the time it was released, everyone took COVID very seriously for a couple weeks, so they stayed home and watched that because Applebee's was closed to indoor dining.

# ? Mar 6, 2023 17:27

Paradoxish: Dec 19, 2003; Will you stop going crazy in there?

Pittsburgh Fentanyl Cloud posted:

Cars in general are incredibly expensive and the way Americans just casually buy new ones and throw away their old ones is something else

I had an early 2000s 3-series that I sold that eight years ago to a dude I know that owns a restaurant in my city. It had ~150k miles on it when I sold it. The guy still uses it for deliveries and it's still on the original engine, transmission, even the original loving clutch at almost 300k miles now. If a car that literally required me to replace the entire cooling system as preventative maintenance can last that long then any car can do it.

it's extremely weird ordering pizza and having it show up in my old car like some kind of weird ghost delivery from the past

# ? Mar 6, 2023 17:33

Iron Crowned: May 6, 2003; by Hand Knit

Paradoxish posted:

I had an early 2000s 3-series that I sold that eight years ago to a dude I know that owns a restaurant in my city. It had ~150k miles on it when I sold it. The guy still uses it for deliveries and it's still on the original engine, transmission, even the original loving clutch at almost 300k miles now. If a car that literally required me to replace the entire cooling system as preventative maintenance can last that long then any car can do it.

Yeah, but why have an old car, when you can have a new car!?

# ? Mar 6, 2023 17:35

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# ? Apr 27, 2024 20:27

RadiRoot: Feb 3, 2007

a.lo posted:

monkeys can easily climb trees and extract the coconut milk what�s the problem

soon they will be coming for our bananas.

# ? Mar 6, 2023 17:46

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