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Private Division also just released an enhanced/upgraded version of The Outer Worlds (who wanted this?) which if early Steam reviews are any indication is a hot mess.
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darnon posted:Private Division is just another layer of publisher so cuts in its workforce don't necessarily directly equate to cuts at Intercept who are the KSP2 devs. Ah! I think I hadn't realized, and thought Private Division was the name of the development studio. Allows me to assign blame to them, I guess. Like, one question has been "How does a company like Take 2 gently caress this up?" and the answer might be too much delegation to a subsidiary publisher.
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Mar 7, 2023 20:45
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Popete posted:Private Division also just released an enhanced/upgraded version of The Outer Worlds (who wanted this?) which if early Steam reviews are any indication is a hot mess. You're not wrong  And most of the negative reviews are talking about the performance being worse than the original game. Feels familiar.
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Mar 7, 2023 20:56
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Popete posted:Private Division also just released an enhanced/upgraded version of The Outer Worlds (who wanted this?) which if early Steam reviews are any indication is a hot mess. How could they make the outer worlds worse? It was already bad to begin with.
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Mar 7, 2023 21:15
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Cojawfee posted:How could they make the outer worlds worse? It was already bad to begin with. It was just so bland. My urge to go explore randomly died in the first 2 hours when I realized there's just nothing interesting out there.
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Mar 7, 2023 21:27
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Cojawfee posted:How could they make the outer worlds worse? It was already bad to begin with. At best case you spend 10 dollars to start a brand new save in an RPG (and that requires you to own the original title and both DLCs)
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Mar 7, 2023 21:44
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El Jeffe posted:It was just so bland. My urge to go explore randomly died in the first 2 hours when I realized there's just nothing interesting out there. I thought you guys were talking about Outer Wilds and I was ready to unbookmark the thread.
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Mar 7, 2023 22:54
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Clark Nova posted:goddamn, that explains why they shoved it out the door in its current state Could be the suits at private division knew they were on the hot seat, and so shoved it out the door as a roll of the dice. Just hoping the game was acceptable enough to sell well and save their jobs. so possibly  if bad management are the ones getting firedbut also the next suits probably won't be any better 
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Mar 7, 2023 23:01
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Spelling Mitsake posted:I thought you guys were talking about Outer Wilds and I was ready to unbookmark the thread. No, I'm talking about the game where the developers put all their effort into the first world and then built a movie set facade for the rest of the game.
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Mar 8, 2023 02:24
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Everything is fine guys, there's nothing to worry about!!
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Yeah, I wanted to stay optimistic about the game getting better but this is a real bad sign, nice to see Take2 never loving changes
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Mar 8, 2023 10:58
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I'm playing KSP 1 for the first time. I have an orbital marker similar to the ones you get for the "place satellite in orbit" contracts, but there are no contracts either accepted or available for that particular orbit. Are there other reasons why those appear? It is orange and Var-Co industries if that makes a difference.
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Mar 8, 2023 13:26
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Man I should have paid attention. I don't follow gaming news at all. I saw KSP2 was early access and jumped on it. Holy poo poo this is a mess. I'm not going to refund just because I want to hold out hope but until it gets better I guess I'm going to go back to the first one.
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The hopeful non-refunders will be the last to eat when the liquidators rip the company to pieces before dissolving it.
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Mar 8, 2023 15:14
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Looks like the technical director was fired or quit, always a good sign! https://www.reddit.com/r/KerbalSpaceProgram/comments/11ll2zw/this_linkedin_post_from_paul_furio_ex_technical/
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queeb posted:Looks like the technical director was fired or quit, always a good sign! aw man it just gets worse
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queeb posted:Looks like the technical director was fired or quit, always a good sign! Well, KSP2 is a technical mess, so...
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Mar 8, 2023 15:55
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Well gently caress, I did my best to stay positive but I guess it's time to submit a refund request. I made it to the moon though, and only exploded everywhere and ended up flying KSC for a while on the way back!
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What a dumpster fire this whole launch has been. How sad. KSP is my favorite game ever and I built a new PC just to play the sequel. Well, maybe the thread can talk about other space games. I know Juno got mentioned a few times. What can it do that KSP can't?
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Count Roland posted:Well, maybe the thread can talk about other space games. I know Juno got mentioned a few times. What can it do that KSP can't? nearly everything is procedural. engines have tons of parameters. you can individually design engines for launch/ascent/vacuum performance from the same base. ships are basicaly wobbleless. less parts/mods than KSP. you can make your own mechjeb / automated craft programs with an easy to use "programming language" (no typing required). can have a shitton of parts in one craft (allows for some REALLY realistic-looking stuff). their steam page is really well written and shows the main features of the game: https://store.steampowered.com/app/870200/Juno_New_Origins/ overall it has less soul than KSP and is more focused on simulating some aspects that KSP just glances over    
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Also has some programming thing built in.
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How stable is it? How pretty is it? vs KSP1
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is there anything to do on/around planets once you get there cause that feels like where there was really room for improvement over KSP
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A Wizard of Goatse posted:is there anything to do on/around planets once you get there cause that feels like where there was really room for improvement over KSP It would be cool if you could gain research points for dropping rovers that gather data/samples for analysis, don't know if that's in the plan or not.
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A Wizard of Goatse posted:is there anything to do on/around planets once you get there cause that feels like where there was really room for improvement over KSP I dont even land most of the time. I like to build massive satellite networks across the system.
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Mar 8, 2023 19:08
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Klyith posted:The camera stuff is just so ... what the gently caress is even happening. I don't know why KSP models forces between rocket parts at all to be honest. Would we lose anything if the entire rocket was a single rigid body?
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VostokProgram posted:I don't know why KSP models forces between rocket parts at all to be honest. Would we lose anything if the entire rocket was a single rigid body? I think it is interesting having to design around it a bit so you can’t make something totally ridiculous like plane that is so heavy the wings would rip off of it but other than that not really no. I feel like they could significantly reduce the impact of it and out would be perfectly fine still.
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VostokProgram posted:I don't know why KSP models forces between rocket parts at all to be honest. Would we lose anything if the entire rocket was a single rigid body? play juno and find out, lol no, because Kerbal Joint Reinforcement is a must-have mod
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juno feels very mobile game like, but i guess thats because it is, since its just a renamed simple rockets 2, which some of you may already have in your steam library.
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swordfish duelist posted:I dont even land most of the time. I like to build massive satellite networks across the system. idk I just get bored making stuff that doesn't actually do anything ingame, it's fun to watch other people put aircraft carriers on Laythe but the game peters out for me pretty quickly around that point. I'd really like a KSP where there's more mechanical use for space colonies/supply runs/constructing infrastructure for some kind of megaproject (or, less likely, where the planet surfaces were a lot more interesting, so there's motivation to visit them more than once). Some of the mods like Beyond Home that let you do interstellar travel gave a pretty good reason to be setting up networks of gas stations and deep space relays, all that stuff actually helps you get somewhere you couldn't otherwise, but anything Kopernicus-based also seems to break every time anything on my computer updates and I'd pay a few bucks to not have to deal with that VostokProgram posted:I don't know why KSP models forces between rocket parts at all to be honest. Would we lose anything if the entire rocket was a single rigid body? yes, you'd lose your colossal pile of junk shaking itself apart and exploding for silly reasons, i.e. the entire first half of the game A Wizard of Goatse fucked around with this message at 20:47 on Mar 8, 2023 |
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queeb posted:juno feels very mobile game like, but i guess thats because it is, since its just a renamed simple rockets 2, which some of you may already have in your steam library. yeah it absolutely is. and the limitations both in scope and execution because it has to run on phones are very clear. it's still neat though and makes even the best procedural part mods for ksp look rudimentary. ksp mogs it in terms of part count though
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Pushing the game out well before it is ready for players in order to beat the end of the fiscal year, and then immediately laying off the technical director, seems like a clear signal from the publisher that they are not interested in making KSP2 a good game. What a loving bummer. I played for like 20 minutes on launch day and I was hoping to hang on for the first round of patches and see if things were heading in the right direction but I put in my refund request today. The way things are headed I'll be surprised if it doesn't hit $25 in a Steam sale by this time next year.
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I am on team ships falling apart is a feature. Besides making failures look cool it's also an engineering constraint that makes big parts worth the wait and encourages a variety of behaviors like in orbit assembly or refueling if your ship is getting too big or fiddly. Ideally joint strength is a slider so the flopping rocket dong go boing and boom sickos and the build a rocket sized to attack and dethrone god sickos can both be happy.
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Well gently caress, was thinking of getting back into ksp 1 but neither global construction or remotetech is updated, are there spiritual successor mods for those or something?
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zedprime posted:I am on team ships falling apart is a feature. Besides making failures look cool it's also an engineering constraint that makes big parts worth the wait and encourages a variety of behaviors like in orbit assembly or refueling if your ship is getting too big or fiddly. Same. I only make rockets that look realistic. So payloads fit in fairings and I'm not using 40 boosters over 10 stages. I do orbital assembly for big parts and I really like the challenge of making probes as small as possible when dv is really limited.
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Nalesh posted:Well gently caress, was thinking of getting back into ksp 1 but neither global construction or remotetech is updated, are there spiritual successor mods for those or something? remotetech is now part of stock ksp1 and there are tons of satellite refurbishment/orbit shift/retrofit contracts to keep you going back to networks you already set up global construction is i think nowadays mostly replaced by extraplanetary launchpads
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VostokProgram posted:I don't know why KSP models forces between rocket parts at all to be honest. Would we lose anything if the entire rocket was a single rigid body? The fundamental question is, should KSP rockets be breakable when you put too much force on them? If yes, then yeah you kinda need multiple parts with physics between them. Calculating *interior* stresses inside a rigid body is a vastly more difficult problem than calculating forces on a spring-hinge connection *between* two rigid bodies. The wobbly spring-hinge thing works with iterative physics (weight -> force -> torque -> deflection -> repeat next frame) which is a good fit for video-game processing. The downside to these physics is they can be hard to dial in. Ideally you'd like the flex was barely visible, but also a good simulation of the forces, and at some point you run out of precision. There's a direct "more wobble = more forgiving" relationship. KSP is real bad for this as well because the game is working on so many different scales. OTOH the settings for breaking forces in KSP 1 are generally very high and rockets pretty much never break in half even when they really *should*. Instead you have a wobbly rocket that is hard to fly because you get control oscillations and can't maintain a heading. People blame the game for this ("rockets shouldn't wobble"), instead of seeing this as a flaw in their rocket design. Over the life of the game they've made the joints more rigid in response to these complaints, which required toning down breaking forces. In my personal opinion, if I was calling the shots on either KSP 1 or 2, I would want to go back to some of these old decisions and rethink. I think it's possible to get this dialed in to a place where rockets aren't too wobbly but are also much more breakable. It especially helps that KSP 2 is starting with all the big 3 meter parts that allow a heavy lift rocket to be built with fewer parts. Nalesh posted:Well gently caress, was thinking of getting back into ksp 1 but neither global construction or remotetech is updated, are there spiritual successor mods for those or something? Global Construction is fine? Remotetech hasn't been updated since 1.11 but the vast majority of mods continue to work with 1.12 just fine. AFAIK the last time KSP had a big compatibility break was 1.10.
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ellie the beep posted:remotetech is now part of stock ksp1 It really, really is not.
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Klyith posted:The downside to these physics is they can be hard to dial in. Ideally you'd like the flex was barely visible, but also a good simulation of the forces, and at some point you run out of precision. There's a direct "more wobble = more forgiving" relationship. KSP is real bad for this as well because the game is working on so many different scales. imo this also misses the point that KSP isn't just a game about rockets, it's a game about making extremely lovely rockets which is a lot more fun than the stuff NASA engineers get paid to do. Game probably would never have gotten much bigger than, like, Orbiter if your trash can stapled to 100 boosters wasn't drooping and wobbling cartoonishly on the launchpad while Jeb gives it a big moronic grin
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Why is this easier than doing loads between bodies but not modeling the deflection? You could get axial/shear/moment loads between bodies, see if it exceeds a limit and if so break the joint vs adding on the spring-hinge stuff and looking at deflection. You'll lose the modeling of a joint starting to lose position leading to increased loads but you'd fix the wobbly rockets issue while still having them come apart.
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