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Don't really know, so why don't we start a new effortpost series? --- THE UNDERTAKER’S NO GOOD, VERY BAD, FIRST CAREER QUARTER Part 1: The Undertaker’s A Bit Good, Sorta Bad, I Guess It’s Relative Career Start So at first I thought, let’s cover the Undertaker’s 1994. Then I double checked and saw someone did that already. Darn it. But as I thought on it, I figured…why stop there? Mark Calloway, possible personal politics and beliefs aside, is a pretty darn amazing guy. He might have the greatest gimmick in all of wrestling history. He managed a 30 year career, more or less, despite being legitimately nearly seven feet tall; to put that in context, men that tall playing the usual sport that suits them, basketball, on average have a 4.5 year career, and the longest careers tend to top out at two decades, and basketball is probably less damaging to the body than wrestling is when it comes to averages. In terms of some of his peers in body size, Sid Eudy made it fifteen years before his terrible leg break at the start of 2002 ended it in any full time way; while he would occasionally wrestle a match once he recovered until he ‘officially’ retired in 2017, for all intents and purposes it ended in 2002. Kevin Nash made it 22; while he supposedly said he retired in 2020, a tweet after facing his good friend Triple H at the tail end of him and Hunter ruining the Summer of Punk indicated that he considered that his retirement match, and Nash was known for doing as little as possible, for better or for worse. While Taker’s storyline brother, Glen “Kane” Jacobs has not officially retired (and his career is marked as starting in 1992), he has essentially been retired save for occasional surprise appearances since late 2018, having been elected mayor of Knox County, Tennessee, and is also known as one of the safest workers in the business, which greatly helped in his longevity. One way or another, Mark Calloway had to go further and take more, and he made it out the other end, very very banged up, but still intact. And in all honesty, it’s astonishing he has a career at all. As I myself posted, and someone else mentioned, Undertaker’s introduction to training was basically being run ragged, stretched, and then ripped off by Buzz Sawyer, who might as well just be the Undertaker’s trainer on a technicality. Calloway, more or less, got the most bare bones basic training and the rest he had to ‘learn on the job’. In some ways, it’s a shame; Calloway at the very start of his career, as awkward and green as he could be, still showed flashes of the immense talent he WOULD develop. As Undertaker, one of his signature spots was his ‘old school’ rope walk; supposedly in his first years before he went to the WWE, Calloway would do that one better and do a rope SLIDE; between his gimmick and injuries, by the time he could have started sensibly doing that in the WWE, he couldn’t do it any more. Though in many ways, the Undertaker gimmick was Calloway’s lifeline and saving grace. He had only been a wrestler for three or so years, with his biggest role being the replacement for Dan Spivey in the tag team The Skyscrapers as “Mean” Mark Callous, before WCW let him go and the WWE, seeing the giant man, snapped him up. While there are jokes that Calloway could have ended up being what came out of the egg at Survivor Series 1990, I suspect that Vince wanted the Undertaker gimmick for him as soon as he sized him up. And so, barring some TV bits that were taped earlier but aired after Survivor Series, The Undertaker debuted at Survivor Series in November 1990 as Ted DiBiase’s mystery fourth team member.  The Undertaker was the logical end point of the superhuman gimmick that had been constantly used in the 80’s. The Undertaker wasn’t just a big, tough, exceptionally strong man; he was literally a nigh invincible boogeyman in the vein of a slasher villain. He didn’t feel pain. He would take moves and then just sit up like Michael Myers, as if nothing had happened. And most importantly for Calloway, to sell the whole ‘zombie’ thing, he moved slowly and methodically, his moveset full of rest holds like chokes. Add in Calloway’s talent of rolling his eyes behind his head, and a finisher that conveniently happened to be named the ‘Tombstone Piledriver’, and the package was almost immediately complete. The last part needed was, after a brief period being managed by Brother Love (it is rather strange seeing the Undertaker, without his coat, sort of marching to the ring led by Brother Love at the 1991 Royal Rumble: the next year would be far more ‘Undertaker’-y in his entrance) Calloway gained a new and far more fitting manager in William “Paul Bearer” Moody (and heck, his REAL name could have served as his manager name), freshly hired and with a new black hair dyejob. The kind of hammy Brother Love was didn’t really fit with the Undertaker, but Moody, with his histronics and wavery, mildly shrieking voice, matched MUCH better with the near silent, slow speaking Undertaker than the revival preacher bit that Brother Love did. With the package whole, Undertaker shot to the top of the heel ranks immediately; He had a very brief feud with the past his prime but still once a top star Jimmy Snuka (had Terry Bollea never existed, it has been theorized that Snuka was one of the possible men who could have replaced him. Considering the whole murdering his girlfriend thing, it’s probably best that our timeline didn’t get Snukamania) and smashed him easily at his first Wrestlemania, unknowingly starting the greatest accomplishment of his career, before immediately moving into feuding with the No 2 face in the company, the Ultimate Warrior. Between the Warrior’s various issues and Mark still being green as grass in far too many areas, most of these matches would be ‘Bodybag’ matches where the loser would have to be stuffed into a bodybag; it was apparently more credible for the Warrior to be able to shove a downed Undertaker into the bag than pin him in terms of ‘Warrior won, but Undertaker didn’t exactly LOSE’. On TV though, Undertaker just kept squashing no name jobbers, which was enough to get him high enough on the card that come Survivor Series 1991, Undertaker was penciled in for a world title shot at Hulk Hogan, seeming to be the long time champion’s latest big monster victim. And then, partially thanks to the recently debuted ‘real world’s champion’ Ric Flair, the opposite happened. The Undertaker tombstoned Hulk Hogan on a chair and, a year into his career, was the WWF World Heavyweight champion. …for six days. See, as part of the initial ‘let’s kick the NWA/WCW Thanksgiving tradition show Starrcade in the teeth as hard as possible’, for the first several years of its existence Survivor Series aired on a Wednesday. The WWE, experimenting with having more regular and smaller PPVs, happened to have the first one scheduled less than a week later. Called “A Tuesday In Texas”, it was not a success, and the WWE shelved the idea for several years before finally returning to it with the In Your House PPV series. But, on that PPV, Hogan would regain the world title…in very screwy fashion. Unable to hulk up and keep him down with punches/boot/legdrop, Hogan instead shoved Undertaker into a chair Ric Flair was holding, then ducked as Paul Bearer tried to smash Hogan with the urn and smashed Undertaker instead, and then, with the urn broken open, Hogan THREW A HANDFUL OF THE (fake) ASHES INTO THE UNDERTAKER’S EYES to let him roll him up for the pin. Evidently though, that was too much fuckery for even the WWE’s lax rules, and kayfabe WWE President Jack Tunney would strip Hogan of the title and put the title up for grabs at the 1992 Royal Rumble’s actual Royal Rumble match. That match would be won by Ric Flair, removing the need for the WWE to screw around with the lawsuit nonsense that happened around the fact that Flair had sent the WWE the actual WCW belt to use as a prop, and Undertaker would not get another chance to be any kind of champion for another five plus years. (And as the thread has recently been asking about how much wrestlers worked and traveled, I discovered that even in those six days that Undertaker held the title, he would go up to Ontario, Canada immediately the day after the Survivor Series and have three title matches at three different Ontario locations over the next three days, defeating the British Bulldog in each match, before going back down to Texas on the 2nd of December to have a taped TV match squashing a jobber before actually losing the belt back to Hogan on the 3rd. Does that give you an idea of the ridiculous work and travel schedule of a wrestler? Also, interestingly, one of the clean losses that Undertaker took, albeit in a local show only seen for a certain audience so it didn’t count was at a show called “WWF on Telecinco” at the start of October, 1991, which aired in Barcelona Spain, and where the Undertaker was apparently beaten clean in the main event by none other than…Tito Santana. Whom, being Mexican, I guess, was the closest thing to a ‘Spanish champion’ that the WWE could wrangle. But, again, since it didn’t happen on the core shows, then it officially never happened. IIRC, it’s said that Undertaker didn’t lose clean with no screwiness on a TV show in the WWE didn’t happen until the middle of the Attitude Era, when he took a pinfall from the Rock in a tag team match) You see, despite being a monster evil undead creature, the Undertaker was still a ‘rookie’ of sorts, and that meant that it made sense if he would serve as a flunky for a more established heel. In this case, as 1991 was ending, he ended up allying with Jake Roberts, who was doing a prelude to the Big Boss Man’s cartoon supervillainy years later in a feud with Randy Savage, including packing a snake in amongst the Macho Man’s wedding gifts for his storyline wedding to his manager Elizabeth (in real life they’d married years earlier), and even tying up Randy on the ropes and having a (devenomized, but still) Cobra ACTUALLY BITE RANDY ON THE ARM. There’s the evil that heels do, and there’s Jake Roberts making Macho Man Randy Savage SO pissed off that he didn’t bother waiting for Jake to finish his entrance for their match at Tuesday in Texas, running out behind him while he was walking to the ring and bushwacking him. But, after losing a match in the feud, Jake would become so enraged that he would stalk to the back, get a chair, and prepare to strike Randy as he made his own return. And if he hit Miss Elizabeth instead? Well that was all fine and dandy. And so the curtain opened and Jake swung the chair back… At which point the Undertaker grabbed it. Destroying male wrestlers and stuffing them in bodybags was all fine and good it seemed, but even the undead zombie creature drew a line at suckerpunching a non-wrestling female with a metal chair. Macho immediately attacked, and at a later show, Jake, furious, would confront the Undertaker and ask what side was he on? Undertaker’s simple response? “Not yours.” Jake proceeded to slam the Undertaker’s hand in the casket he was standing next to (as this happened on Paul Bearer’s interview show, the Funeral Parlor, and there was a coffin there as a backdrop), leaving his hand trapped in the casket before he DDT’d Paul Bearer. This proved to be a terrible mistake, as Undertaker just started dragging the casket along with him as he went after Jake, who fled. Just like that, the evil monster was a face, which was solidified when a match between Jake and Undertaker would be signed for Wrestlemania 8, and Jake would put Undertaker over huge, letting Undertaker no-sell his DDT, one of the most protected and considered ‘lethal’ finishers in the WWE (nowaday most everyone uses it and a bunch of variants as normal moves, but in the 80’s no one else but Jake did it and if he used it, you were DONE), not once, but TWICE, before Jake was tombstoned outside the ring after stupidly going after Paul Bearer again, and then his fallen form rolled back into the ring and pinned. So, the nearly unstoppable monster was now a face, a good guy. So, uh…just what do you DO with such a character? While Hogan was leaving, possibly for good, the Ultimate Warrior had just returned, and the WWE didn’t need TWO near invincible types on top. It was not the Attitude Era and beyond, so Undertaker turning heel back immediately made no sense. But they’d made Mark a pretty drat big star, hell he had even briefly been world champion, a year into his career! So what do you do? The answer, as it turned out, was ‘turn Undertaker into the company’s monster slayer, having him face the biggest and baddest beasts who would darken his door.’ Which meant, uh…      Oh boy, would they darken it. For the next four years, it’d be as black as his outfit and music combined.
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Fun fact: William "Paul Bearer" Moody actually was an undertaker at one point in his life, having become a licensed embalmer and mortician in between stints in pro wrestling. 
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Sydney Bottocks posted:Fun fact: William "Paul Bearer" Moody actually was an undertaker at one point in his life, having become a licensed embalmer and mortician in between stints in pro wrestling. also he used to go by Percy Pringle III
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poisonpill posted:I don’t know anything about wrestling but it makes sense that wrestlers would tend to be awful people. They live in an unwholesome intersection of combat sports and carny grifting culture. Which ones were genuinely nice people? Just going to add some context to what people have already posted while adding some more. Diamond Dallas Page: Is a self-help guru whose modified yoga routine has helped a lot of people get in better shape. He's also allowed wrestlers with addictions stay at his place to help clean them up, including Jake Roberts and Scott Hall. Mick Foley: Comes off as a really nice guy and down to earth, though he might toot his own horn about it a bit too much. Is in the Christmas spirit 365 days a year. Molly Holly: Nobody has a bad thing to say about her. New Jack, the man known for being a violent psychopath, talked up Molly Holly like she was a saint and would probably stab you if you said anything mean about her. Titus O'Neil: Uses his WWE status to do a shitload of charity work. Caused Vince to have a sudden tantrum on TV because Titus was trying to be polite. Tugboat/Shockmaster: I honestly don't know much about the guy outside of the ring, but he's fully embraced the joke of being the Shockmaster and that takes patience. Paul Bearer: He is like if George Bailey was so liked that even Mr. Potter was all, "poo poo, I gotta go help that guy!" There's an interview he did where he got pissed about how Kevin Dunn treated him and people say Dunn really must be a piece of garbage because Paul seemingly liked everybody. Brodie Lee: While there's something to be said about speaking ill of the dead, the unanimous outcry for how beloved Brodie was after he died said something. Everyone seemed to really like him and considered him a true family man. Bobby Eaton: A really popular guy in any locker room as he would constantly carry an extra suitcase of travel and wrestling supplies in case anyone needed it, like toothbrushes, toilet paper, wrist tape, etc. There's a funny story about how this guy Bill Dundee forbade his daughter from ever dating a wrestler, but then he realized she was dating Bobby Eaton and was like, "Oh, forget what I said. He's great!" The Insane Clown Posse: Apparently make sure every wrestler they deal with is paid handsomely and promptly, even if it's in a garbage bag filled with twenties.
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john cena has granted the most wishes for the make a wish foundation which has to mean something
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Those girls on the couch are Young Justice cameos btw. 16-bit Butt-Head posted:jim cornette has worked in pro wrestling his entire life and it has led to him only being able to act in ways that get him heat because he cannot turn the heel commentator gimmick off anymore Constantly seeking negative attention can be just a narcissist trait. Head injuries probably don't help there.
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Just to expand on how well-liked Bobby Eaton was, Cornette told two great stories about it: -The aforementioned "Bill Dundee's daughter" story. When Dundee found out his daughter Donna had been dating a wrestler in secret for a long while, he went ballistic and demanded to know who it was, he was gonna kill the motherfucker, etc., because Dundee knew (as all wrestlers did) that wrestlers were some absolute dogs when it came to women. He demanded the wrestler's name, and when she finally told him it was Bobby Eaton, he stopped, got quiet for a minute, and then said "Well, goddamn it, at least you picked the right one." Eaton and Donna remained married right up until her passing in 2021, just a few days before Eaton himself passed away. -The Freebirds vs. The Midnight Express and "Dr. Death" Steve Williams. (E: corrected/added some bits after listening to Cornette's shoot interview about it again) This happened at the Boston Garden, during the Great American Bash tour in 1989. The Freebirds at the time consisted of Terry Gordy, Michael Hayes, and Jimmy Garvin (Gordy was only part-time, working in between his dates in Japan, so WCW had Garvin and Hayes as the Freebirds full time). Garvin and Hayes were on a variety of substances at the time, both recreational and 'roidal; additionally, Hayes had delusions of elevating the Freebirds to the same heights they'd reached in WCCW and Mid-South/UWF, and thought they were the top heel team in all of WCW, and acted accordingly. As well, Garvin also thought this was going to be the build to him becoming a main event star in WCW, so even before this particular match, they kept no-selling for the Midnights during their feud (Hayes telling Cornette "we gotta get over strong" when confronted about it). They'd also get pissy whenever the Midnights didn't treat one of the Freebirds moves like it was absolutely devastating (Cornette talked about how Garvin lost his poo poo, when after Garvin punched him during a match, he didn't sell it like he had just been shot dead). In this particular match, the exception to all the egotistical bullshit was Gordy, who was friends with all the guys in the ring and didn't want to start any poo poo. After the match (which the Freebirds won), Garvin and Hayes decided they were going to jump the Midnights and Dr. Death, to get some more heat on themselves, completely unplanned or discussed beforehand. This caused Williams to just absolutely snap; he grabbed a chair (one of the old heavy-duty wooden ones, that wasn't gimmicked) and advanced on Garvin with it. Garvin was so hosed up or egotistical or dumb, or whatever, that he didn't back down from the six-foot, 250-plus-pound Dr. Death, not even when Williams reared back and swung the chair, hitting Garvin's arms (that he had put up to protect his head) as hard as he could. Garvin yelled "gently caress!", and Williams replied back with "gently caress WITH ME!" and hit him again. He did this every time Garvin yelled "gently caress" (Garvin ended up having to take a few days off after this). Finally, the ring was cleared and all parties involved hustled back to the locker room. Cornette was sure all hell was about to break loose when he and his team got back there, as Hayes and Garvin were already screaming and throwing poo poo around. Then Bobby Eaton yelled "We ain't just out there to get you guys fuckin' over!" And according to Cornette, that immediately stopped everyone in their tracks, because even Garvin and Hayes realized that if you got Bobby Eaton pissed at you, then you know you done hosed up. Sydney Bottocks fucked around with this message at 15:14 on May 28, 2023 |
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These stories are great. Thanks!
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Gavok posted:Just going to add some context to what people have already posted while adding some more. John Tenta aka Earthquake was a down to earth guy who did a bunch of interviews with the dude that runs Wrestlecrap. Sadly he got cancer not long after getting niche internet celebrity status and passed away. thankfully a whole bunch of wrestling fans did get to tell him how much they loved him as a kid or whatever so that was cool. Seemed like a really nice guy who got hosed over by the carny nature of the business. When WCW signed him in the early 90s, they turned into a human shark, and forced him to get the LSU tigers tattoo he had redone into a shark.
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tenta was also a legitimate sumo wrestler who could have gone far but instead chose pro wrestling because it was easier on his body and less insane than sumo
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God drat Vince Russo is so stupid he can barely talk. I read a transcript of something he said about Brock Lesnar and it was just sentence after sentence of "bro trust me."
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vince russo is very stupid and despite working in the wrestling business for years still has no idea how it works
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first of all bro beaver cleavage wasnt an incest angle because if you paid attention to it bro you would have seen that beaver and his mom were the same age furthermore bro...
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Since we're all about fun facts, this one always blew my mind. Jimmy "Mouth of the South" Hart was the lead vocalist for The Gentrys, and "Keep On Dancing" was a top 100 hit. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QkIZIjlMYxc
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5er posted:Since we're all about fun facts, this one always blew my mind. The only reason I play the Powerball is so I can hit it big enough to get Jimmy Hart and bring back Wrestlicious.
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I mentioned that Cornette never apologizes, but by his own admission there is at least one time he gave an apology that he didn't mean. It was when he insulted Kevin Dunn. Kevin Dunn runs all the TV production for WWE. It's said he's forever in Vince McMahon's favor because his dad ran into a burning car to save some production tapes. Cornette hated him because he thought Dunn didn't really care about wrestling and just wanted to be a TV guy. Anyway, when Cornette joined the WWF he would participate in booking meetings with McMahon, Dunn, and others prior to the shows. At the time, Sable was popular and at one of these meetings Dunn and McMahon wouldn't shut up about her. Sable is someone else Cornette hated. She wasn't interested in wrestling, she just wanted to be famous, and she had absolutely no talent for anything. Cornette keeps trying to steer the conversation back to whatever match they need to book, but Dunn and Vince keep going on about "White cotton panties!" and saying things like "She's such a lady!" These two guys were just obsessed with Sable. In a creepy old rich white man way. So Jim's like "Can we talk about the wrestling on this show?" So Dunn, who has buck teeth, turns to Jim and says "I find you tiresome." Of course Cornette snaps, threatens to knock the buck teeth out of Dunn's mouth, says gently caress you to one and all, and storms out. Later Vince calls him and says he has to apologize. So he met with Dunn in private and Dunn starts crying because he's real sensitive about his teeth, so Cornette does his fake apology all while thinking "This guy makes millions, why not just fix your teeth if you're that insecure about them?" In general the WWF made Cornette miserable. That's when his cheeseburger addiction spiraled out of control.
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Szyznyk posted:The only reason I play the Powerball is so I can hit it big enough to get Jimmy Hart and bring back Wrestlicious. God, Wrestlicious was a THING, wasn't it?
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Vandar posted:God, Wrestlicious was a THING, wasn't it? They Nashed every dollar of that poor kid’s lottery winnings away on that disaster. Carny as gently caress.
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AlmightyBob posted:just remembered one of my favorite stone cold things was a Christmas episode of raw and they had a Santa there and he was mean to a little girl so stone cold came out and beat his rear end lol that was one of the usos fr
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5er posted:Since we're all about fun facts, this one always blew my mind. i wish this memory paid rent: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5H5hAHBMD5g
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16-bit Butt-Head posted:vince russo is very stupid and despite working in the wrestling business for years still has no idea how it works A writer pitching that he becomes heavyweight champ & it’s not laughed down or vetoed immediately is still amazing. Might even crack the top ten WCW moments but there is red hot competition.
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Sydney Bottocks posted:Cornette was sure all hell was about to break loose when he and his team got back there, as Hayes and Garvin were already screaming and throwing poo poo around. Then Bobby Eaton yelled "We ain't just out there to get you guys fuckin' over!" And according to Cornette, that immediately stopped everyone in their tracks, because even Garvin and Hayes realized that if you got Bobby Eaton pissed at you, then you know you done hosed up. Whenever I see this story, I imagine Bobby Eaton being like this. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=37SrQdIqKiU
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Gavok posted:Whenever I see this story, I imagine Bobby Eaton being like this. for me its this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xzpndHtdl9A
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Vandar posted:God, Wrestlicious was a THING, wasn't it? They did a taping at First Avenue in Minneapolis that I went to. It was silly but fun.
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Mulaney Power Move posted:In general the WWF made Cornette miserable. That's when his cheeseburger addiction spiraled out of control. Now I'm remembering a great line from a PPV where Cornette and Jim Ross were on commentary. They were arguing over JR's status as a manager and Cornette told him, "You couldn't manage a Wendy's!" Ross' response was, "I could if you lived in town!" That discussion was about Fake Diesel and Fake Razor Ramon, which really deserves its own post. I don't think it's been talked about in-depth, so here you go. Other than Bret Hart and Shawn Michaels, the two biggest names of WWF's New Generation Era were real-life BFFs Diesel and Razor Ramon. By 1996, things were starting to slow down for them a bit. Diesel just spent a year as champion in what was a disastrous run that nearly killed the company. In response to losing the championship, Diesel had become a charismatic tweener and with his buddy Shawn Michaels about to reach the title picture, it was only natural that Diesel would go full heel and challenge for the belt. Meanwhile, Razor Ramon had been the king of the midcard and while he had a hot program going on with Goldust, he was definitely growing tired of it all. Both wrestlers would get snazzy WCW deals that they could not say no to. Diesel's punishment was to put over the Undertaker and Michaels on the way out. Razor failed a drug test (which he feels was a setup) and missed WrestleMania, having Roddy Piper finish his Goldust storyline for him. Once Razor came back, he lost a rather throwaway match against Vader at the next PPV and that was it for him. Then they went to WCW as the Outsiders, founded the nWo and were the hottest thing in wrestling for a while. More importantly, they made sure NOT to refer to themselves as "Kevin Nash" and "Scott Hall" for a while because they wanted the insinuation that this was not just two guys showing up to cause trouble. They wanted it to look like WWF's Diesel and Razor Ramon were invading WCW as part of a big collaboration. WWF did not take too kindly to that and sued the poo poo out of them. But it also got Vince thinking. Maybe viewers weren't so much fans of the talent as they were the personas. He had been trying to get guys like Lex Luger and Diesel to BE Hulk Hogan and it never worked, but he wanted to give it another try. Jim Ross turned heel, which nobody wanted, and cut a big promo about how he was bringing Diesel and Razor Ramon back to WWF. He was going to re-debut them on the next episode of Raw. Now, while this aired, Nash and Hall were watching this together and they were very, VERY confused. Then they got a call from WCW brass. They were very afraid that there was some contractual loophole that they might have missed and took JR's promo seriously. They offered to stack more money onto Nash and Hall's already insane contracts just to make sure they didn't jump ship. Their reaction was basically, "Uh... sure!" The next Raw followed and despite President Gorilla Monsoon insisting that Nash and Hall were contracted elsewhere, JR brought out Diesel and Razor. More specifically, Glenn Jacobs as Diesel and Rick Bognar as Razor Ramon. Bognar was a newcomer to WWF and almost, MAYBE looked a little like Hall's Razor if you narrowed your eyes and saw him for a split second. Jacobs, on the other hand, was coming off his run as Isaac Yankem DDS and looked even less like Nash. The crowd immediately felt deflated over it. There was a narrative confusion over the whole thing. Were they supposed to be treated as imposters or the real deal? I'm not sure Vince had that figured out. You would see Fake Razor intently watching Goldust matches backstage, though nothing came of it. In fact, since neither guy could talk and their mouthpiece JR dropped the heel turn pretty quickly, they couldn't really carry any stories. They were just there. They were thrown into random midcard matches, appeared in a thrown-together Survivor Series team, and so on. While Fake Diesel did rather well in the 1997 Royal Rumble and made it near the end, Fake Razor was immediately eliminated early in the match. As a fun piece of trivia, this is the only time ANY Razor Ramon had been in the Royal Rumble. Scott Hall, despite being on the show four times, was always too busy being in a singles match on the undercard. Other than a random house show match, that was it for the duo. Jacobs would be repackaged down the line as Kane, but Bognar was not so lucky. At one point, Vince gave him his number and told him if he ever had any questions or needed anything, just give him a ring. Bognar decided to take him up on that and did call him. He mentioned that his contract was coming up and he didn't know if they had any plans for him going forward after the Razor debacle. He asked Vince what the next step should be. "Never call this number again." *click*
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Gavok posted:Now, while this aired, Nash and Hall were watching this together and they were very, VERY confused. Then they got a call from WCW brass. They were very afraid that there was some contractual loophole that they might have missed and took JR's promo seriously. They offered to stack more money onto Nash and Hall's already insane contracts just to make sure they didn't jump ship. Their reaction was basically, "Uh... sure!" Lol turning up the money hose is the most WCW response possible.
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I forget if Kevin Nash was talking about WCW or WWE, but he basically referred to one (if not both) of those companies as a malfunctioning ATM that just keeps on spitting out money, and he was like "nobody's gonna walk away from that"
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Mulaney Power Move posted:In general the WWF made Cornette miserable. That's when his cheeseburger addiction spiraled out of control. Gavok posted:Now I'm remembering a great line from a PPV where Cornette and Jim Ross were on commentary. They were arguing over JR's status as a manager and Cornette told him, "You couldn't manage a Wendy's!" is cornette's cheeseburger addiction just exactly what it sounds like?
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If Bruce Pritchard’s impression is to be believed, Double cheese double onions extra mayo motherfucker.
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Sydney Bottocks posted:I forget if Kevin Nash was talking about WCW or WWE, but he basically referred to one (if not both) of those companies as a malfunctioning ATM that just keeps on spitting out money, and he was like "nobody's gonna walk away from that" He had a great cameo on Detroiters
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GolfHole posted:for me its this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xzpndHtdl9A Ha, total digression but this is the perfect video for how I've felt checking in on the Diablo 4 thread in Games after the beta runs closed up.
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its hard to hate kevin nash over WCW becuase he did what anyone in that position would do
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Kevin Nash doing commentary when he was booking was excellent.
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16-bit Butt-Head posted:its hard to hate kevin nash over WCW becuase he did what anyone in that position would do they try to make him do commentary on thunder and he makes sure they regret it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lfjzvxgtLrs
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