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shitface: Nov 23, 2006

infernal machines posted:

i don't normally suggest reg hacks, but there actually isn't a better way to do this without enterprise since the GPO that would enforce this doesn't do anything on pro

set the value of "HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\ContentDeliveryManager\SilentInstalledAppsEnabled" to 0 and log out/back in

alternatively, install gentoo

thank you. I�ll give it try. the core of the os and browser is fine, but goddamn these tactics make it seem tacky and desperate as gently caress

# ? Aug 20, 2023 13:45

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# ? Apr 28, 2024 01:19

infernal machines: Oct 11, 2012; we monitor many frequencies. we listen always. came a voice, out of the babel of tongues, speaking to us. it played us a mighty dub.

no one in the history of computing has wanted their os to install a random assortment of apps unprompted and in a way that cannot be permanently removed.

that poo poo used to be solely the effects of malware and if it happened you would pay someone money to fix your computer.

microsoft turning that into "a consumer experience" is just flagrant contempt for their users

# ? Aug 20, 2023 13:48

shitface: Nov 23, 2006

it�s not even good software. if they signed some deals with actual companies for free or discounted useful software, and made that optional, that would be a value add. the gently caress is �clipchamp video editor�?

# ? Aug 20, 2023 13:51

shitface: Nov 23, 2006

infernal machines posted:

i don't normally suggest reg hacks, but there actually isn't a better way to do this without enterprise since the GPO that would enforce this doesn't do anything on pro

set the value of "HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\ContentDeliveryManager\SilentInstalledAppsEnabled" to 0 and log out/back in

alternatively, install gentoo

it�s a pre-existing key! they literally have a �stop being a spammy piece of poo poo� switch in their ~professional~ sku of their os

# ? Aug 20, 2023 14:03

infernal machines: Oct 11, 2012; we monitor many frequencies. we listen always. came a voice, out of the babel of tongues, speaking to us. it played us a mighty dub.

yup. and it's only disabled by a gpo in enterprise. if you set "consumer experience" to disabled in pro it does nothing

# ? Aug 20, 2023 14:12

infernal machines: Oct 11, 2012; we monitor many frequencies. we listen always. came a voice, out of the babel of tongues, speaking to us. it played us a mighty dub.

enterprise is the new pro and it's gated behind a subscription because microsoft decided that banks and other large corps weren't buying enough software assurance/e5 subs

# ? Aug 20, 2023 14:14

shitface: Nov 23, 2006

they�ve absolutely given up lol. just getting set up I must have 5 different styles here.

terminal: transparency means actually showing the content and windows beneath but respects light/dark mode in the title bat
task manager and settings: transparency means ignore window content and just show a blurry version of the wallpaper
chredge: well i�ll respect light and dark but gently caress fitting in in literally any other
explorer: ignore all that bullshit we�re just gonna make the title bar and toolbar a different shade of blue, depending on light or dark
regedit and devicemgr: we�re win95 bitch. light all the way

what an absolute disjointed clusterfuck

# ? Aug 20, 2023 14:28

Best Bi Geek Squid: Mar 25, 2016

pro: I finally bought a new ms ergo keyboard for work. it�s very good and my wrist doesn�t hurt anymore

con: they keyboard has a key with the little office logo on it. when you hit it, it opens a browser page so that you can buy ms office. there is no way to disable the key without admin privileges, which I don�t have

# ? Aug 21, 2023 00:09

shitface: Nov 23, 2006

Best Bi Geek Squid posted:

pro: I finally bought a new ms ergo keyboard for work. it�s very good and my wrist doesn�t hurt anymore

con: they keyboard has a key with the little office logo on it. when you hit it, it opens a browser page so that you can buy ms office. there is no way to disable the key without admin privileges, which I don�t have

easy. just buy office :smug:

# ? Aug 21, 2023 00:13

infernal machines: Oct 11, 2012; we monitor many frequencies. we listen always. came a voice, out of the babel of tongues, speaking to us. it played us a mighty dub.

shitface posted:

easy. just buy office

that won't stop it

# ? Aug 21, 2023 00:15

shitface: Nov 23, 2006

infernal machines posted:

that won't stop it

will upgrading to clipchamp video editor essentials for just $11.99 a month stop it?

# ? Aug 21, 2023 00:50

infernal machines: Oct 11, 2012; we monitor many frequencies. we listen always. came a voice, out of the babel of tongues, speaking to us. it played us a mighty dub.

no joke, you used to have to use a tool like autohotkey to capture the raw input because there was literally no way to disable the office key behaviour.

idk if they've changed that since

# ? Aug 21, 2023 00:51

laserghost: Feb 12, 2014; ^{trust me, I'm a cat.}

Stand up in front of computer and say "Microsoft" to skip the ad for MsOffice

# ? Aug 21, 2023 00:55

shitface: Nov 23, 2006

infernal machines posted:

no joke, you used to have to use a tool like autohotkey to capture the raw input because there was literally no way to disable the office key behaviour.

idk if they've changed that since

seems op should not have purchased a keyboard that's as spammy and hostile as the os it was intended to be used with

# ? Aug 21, 2023 01:52

echinopsis: Apr 13, 2004; by Fluffdaddy

according to windows 10 I can�t run windows 11 :qq:

# ? Aug 21, 2023 01:55

infernal machines: Oct 11, 2012; we monitor many frequencies. we listen always. came a voice, out of the babel of tongues, speaking to us. it played us a mighty dub.

shitface posted:

seems op should not have purchased a keyboard that's as spammy and hostile as the os it was intended to be used with

it's called synergy

# ? Aug 21, 2023 02:02

infernal machines: Oct 11, 2012; we monitor many frequencies. we listen always. came a voice, out of the babel of tongues, speaking to us. it played us a mighty dub.

echinopsis posted:

according to windows 10 I can�t run windows 11

i thought you had a mac

# ? Aug 21, 2023 02:02

shitface: Nov 23, 2006

echinopsis posted:

according to windows 10 I can�t run windows 11

you can use Rufus to janitor the ISO into not checking anything

# ? Aug 21, 2023 02:23

graph: Nov 22, 2006; aaag peanuts

shitface posted:

I�m getting pretty loving tired uninstall clipchamp video editor every time i update windows 11. if you�re going to try and sneak crapware i already uninstalled several times, consider not pinning it to my start menu

you av makes me a little sad the clementine artist doesnt post any more :\

# ? Aug 21, 2023 02:31

shitface: Nov 23, 2006

graph posted:

you av makes me a little sad the clementine artist doesnt post any more :\

when i saw it I had to have it

# ? Aug 21, 2023 02:37

Best Bi Geek Squid: Mar 25, 2016

there is also a dedicated emoji button. my last ms kb didn�t have either so I didn�t think to check for completely insane poo poo before I bought it

# ? Aug 21, 2023 04:24

Best Bi Geek Squid: Mar 25, 2016

unlike the office key, I can imagine a possible set of circumstances where some human somewhere could possibly want an emoji key

# ? Aug 21, 2023 04:26

shitface: Nov 23, 2006

Best Bi Geek Squid posted:

unlike the office key, I can imagine a possible set of circumstances where some human somewhere could possibly want an emoji key

lmao they so desperately wanted a slice of mobile

# ? Aug 21, 2023 05:07

Celexi: Nov 25, 2006; Slava Ukraini!

Win +. Opens emoji why a key??

# ? Aug 21, 2023 11:40

echinopsis: Apr 13, 2004; by Fluffdaddy

infernal machines posted:

i thought you had a mac

I do have a 2015 mbp but my primary rig is a pc

shitface posted:

you can use Rufus to janitor the ISO into not checking anything

I don�t actually think my pc can�t run windows 11, but I would be curious as to why I �can�t�

# ? Aug 21, 2023 12:41

infernal machines: Oct 11, 2012; we monitor many frequencies. we listen always. came a voice, out of the babel of tongues, speaking to us. it played us a mighty dub.

either you don't have a tpm 2.0 chip, or you have a cpu that's older than the 8th gen intel core

there are other requirements, but those are the two most likely culprits. there is a tool you can run that will tell you exactly why, there's a link to it in the windows update area

# ? Aug 21, 2023 12:44

infernal machines: Oct 11, 2012; we monitor many frequencies. we listen always. came a voice, out of the babel of tongues, speaking to us. it played us a mighty dub.

on the subject of windows 11 being terrible: ars notices

quote:

The "out-of-box experience" (OOBE, in Microsoft parlance) for Windows 7 walked users through the process of creating a local user account, naming their computer, entering a product key, creating a "Homegroup" (a since-discontinued local file and media sharing mechanism), and determining how Windows Update worked. Once Windows booted to the desktop, you'd find apps like Internet Explorer and the typical in-box Windows apps (Notepad, Paint, Calculator, Media Player, Wordpad, and a few other things) installed.

Keeping that baseline in mind, here's everything that happens during the OOBE stage in a clean install of Windows 11 22H2 (either Home or Pro) if you don't have active Microsoft 365/OneDrive/Game Pass subscriptions tied to your Microsoft account:

(Mostly) mandatory Microsoft account sign-in.
Setup screen asking you about data collection and telemetry settings.
A (skippable) screen asking you to "customize your experience."
A prompt to pair your phone with your PC.
A Microsoft 365 trial offer.
A 100GB OneDrive offer.
A $1 introductory PC Game Pass offer.

This process is annoying enough the first time, but at some point down the line, you'll also be offered what Microsoft calls the "second chance out-of-box experience," or SCOOBE (not a joke), which will try to get you to do all of this stuff again if you skipped some of it the first time. This also doesn't account for the numerous one-off post-install notification messages you'll see on the desktop for OneDrive and Microsoft 365. (And it's not just new installs; I have seen these notifications appear on systems that have been running for months even if they're not signed in to a Microsoft account, so no one is safe).

infernal machines fucked around with this message at 13:12 on Aug 21, 2023

# ? Aug 21, 2023 13:05

Clark Nova: Jul 18, 2004

lollin at subscription solitaire trying to look like sleazy online poker

# ? Aug 21, 2023 13:36

shitface: Nov 23, 2006

infernal machines posted:

on the subject of windows 11 being terrible: ars notices

I�m the �Microsoft 365 (Office)�. Great loving branding job there

# ? Aug 21, 2023 13:39

Chris Knight: Jun 5, 2002; me @ ur posts; Fun Shoe

shitface posted:

I�m the �Microsoft 365 (Office)�. Great loving branding job there

lol. like anyone with half a brain could've seen the problem with that renaming, but they went and did it anyway.

brb installing Apple 17 on my phone

# ? Aug 21, 2023 13:54

shitface: Nov 23, 2006

desktop linux is a better experience than windows at this point, even for running a bunch of windows software. goddamn GNOME is a better experience than windows at this point*. i would have absolutely gone that way for james on generic PC hardware but this is a secondary partition on a 2019 mbp.

imagine an environment worse than linux, gnome and wine, or, don't imagine and just install windows. jesus christ. i am mad about computers and i'd forgotten what that was like

* at least when you de-shittify it with dash to panel, arcmenu and no overview at startup extensions you get a functional, non-Binged menu and panel that stay that way

# ? Aug 21, 2023 14:23

Shaggar: Apr 26, 2006

infernal machines posted:

on the subject of windows 11 being terrible: ars notices

the worst part is if you click where the start button used to be out of muscle memory it will lag for 2 seconds and then display a bunch of ads from bing

# ? Aug 21, 2023 14:27

Pinterest Mom: Jun 9, 2009

"Windows Elev(enshittification)"
this one could have spent a little more time in the oven

# ? Aug 21, 2023 14:36

Chris Knight: Jun 5, 2002; me @ ur posts; Fun Shoe

Shaggar posted:

the worst part is if you click where the start button used to be out of muscle memory it will lag for 2 seconds and then display a bunch of ads from bing

lmao

# ? Aug 21, 2023 14:37

shitface: Nov 23, 2006

i'm a big fan of the ~modern menus~ that appear to be some shitbox overlay or interception of the standard menus which a) have half the useful entries missing and b) randomly lag like poo poo

# ? Aug 21, 2023 14:40

r u ready to WALK: Sep 29, 2001

Windows 11 is okay once you've disabled every single new feature microsoft has released for the last decade or so.

# ? Aug 21, 2023 15:21

shitface: Nov 23, 2006

r u ready to WALK posted:

Windows 11 is okay once you've disabled every single new feature microsoft has released for the last decade or so.

that was my first impression, until I installed 22H2 and did the legions updates to the latest, where the silent installs of waves of utter crap kept coming. it's a linux-tier window manager with multiple themes, toolkits and transparency effects on show and endless advertising and attempts to ram content in your face.

i'll stick with the switch for gaming until I finally get out of a year of airbnb next week, get my cute victorian terrace house and go buy a ps5. I can't imagine ever voluntarily using this poo poo again

# ? Aug 21, 2023 15:37

Cybernetic Vermin: Apr 18, 2005

mostly its just really stupid and unnecessary. i don't think it really profits anyone. i could without more than slight annoyance use default-settings windows 11 indefinitely, but it is so visible that there's work being expended to make things worse.

# ? Aug 21, 2023 16:08

Perplx: Jun 26, 2004; Best viewed on Orgasma Plasma; Lipstick Apathy

i know i should be using hotkeys more but using mouse hover for app switching on my work laptops sucks
and windows+tab is laggy and worse then expose

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# ? Apr 28, 2024 01:19

Tankakern: Jul 25, 2007

shitface posted:

that was my first impression, until I installed 22H2 and did the legions updates to the latest, where the silent installs of waves of utter crap kept coming. it's a linux-tier window manager with multiple themes, toolkits and transparency effects on show and endless advertising and attempts to ram content in your face.

i'll stick with the switch for gaming until I finally get out of a year of airbnb next week, get my cute victorian terrace house and go buy a ps5. I can't imagine ever voluntarily using this poo poo again

why badmouth linux in all this

# ? Aug 21, 2023 16:14

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