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qirex posted:the incredibly expensive software I work on considers excel our primary competitor and in some cases we are straight up cheaper than running a jenga tower of giant excel vms which can easily exceed a mil/month if excel wasn't such dogshit for actually building applications from like 20% of software developers would be out of a job. i'm convinced that there's a way to define scalable, user definable operations on data in a way than non programmers actually have a chance of building something robust, they get kind of close with VLOOKUP which is mindboggling
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distortion park posted:if excel wasn't such dogshit for actually building applications from like 20% of software developers would be out of a job. i'm convinced that there's a way to define scalable, user definable operations on data in a way than non programmers actually have a chance of building something robust, they get kind of close with VLOOKUP which is mindboggling
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access still exists. and having seen the things i have, i don't think it was a good idea
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Access was completely fine in itself for use on a single computer to the extent that the person using it understood databases; you're just inherently going to end up with weird stuff when you let non-programmers do stuff Also, like all subsequent platforms that would now be described as no code / low code, it was hampered by being artificially limited to sell other stuff (SQL server and not competing with microsoft's developer products in the case of access) I think a lot of newer products that are going for the same thing are actually strictly worse in terms of UI, but Access is effectively dead even if it still technically exists because of just being a desktop application mystes fucked around with this message at 15:50 on Aug 23, 2023 |
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Aug 23, 2023 15:46
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i used to work for a local bank and they used access as a front end for reporting some stuff out of an oracle database, it was a real shitshow
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Aug 23, 2023 16:09
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"why do we need to pay programmers a wage above starvation level? programming is easy. except for all the hard bits" even if you pretend very hard that what you are doing is not programming, it is still programming.
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Aug 23, 2023 16:43
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excel and access all the more important in 2023 where the cost of hiring a programmer capable and willing to do a better job than whoever would toss some formulas in to make their job easier wouldn't stop at a deece 6.5 figgies anymore
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it is very important that a worker not have any money left over after whatever parasite owns his land gets done threatening him with violence every month
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Aug 23, 2023 16:47
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choice between having kate in accounting tweak it again or firing three people to get hbag in to do it
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It doesn't really matter because nothing is an offline desktop application now so things like access aren't a realistic replacement, and none of the modern equivalents really even try to be usable to non-programmers Getting angry in 2023 because access might have allowed non-programmers to replace programmers 20-30 years ago doesn't really make sense mystes fucked around with this message at 16:51 on Aug 23, 2023 |
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Aug 23, 2023 16:48
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nah i'm not opposed to "non-programmers" doing programming, i meant nothing more than what i said: pretending something isn't programming doesn't make it not-programming. programming tools are not difficult to use because the people making them are obstinate dickheads (well...), they're difficult to use because the problem domain is difficult. plenty of people have tried making simpler tools and simply pretending that the harder parts don't exist. for example, access pretends that only one person sitting at one computer at a time is ever going to need to use a business database. or that disks never fail etc. if you have an actual database server then you need a dba, even if the extent of their dba duties is to install a database server on a computer somewhere, set up periodic backups, and validate them. at that point if you still need a "rad gui" (man remember those days) you'd be better off writing a vb6 application or perhaps a winforms application. but then you have to get your hands dirty with sql. there was that linq-to-sql thing a while back but then you run straight into a brick wall the moment you need to make a slightly more complicated report, and business will always come up with ever newer and more inventive ways to torture the data into a graph that goes up and to the right, and then you have to worry about joins and indexes and stuff and all of a sudden you're doing real big boy programmer work.
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Teams threw up a loving NPS "how do you rate this product?" modal in the middle of a meeting as my boss was using the whiteboard
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right, regardless of the current state of puter touching, programmers aren’t paid to learn to use fart.js, they’re paid to solve problems. even if the problem is solved using fart.js you’re at least paying someone to go through the trouble of learning fart.js and applying it as a solution. low/no code solutions are part of a decades old narrative push of trying to paint programmers as fungible, as if the hard part was writing weird english on the computer to make stuff happen.
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Aug 23, 2023 17:51
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Chris Knight posted:Teams threw up a loving NPS "how do you rate this product?" modal in the middle of a meeting as my boss was using the whiteboard poorly, it turns out
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if you haven't looked at Weather.app in a few weeks, check it out syke, microsoft changed their best app to be busy as hell and ugly as sin! also, lol @ this, the weird function, the incorrect text, and the broken themeing 
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Microsoft is using .app application bundles now?
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~Coxy posted:if you haven't looked at Weather.app in a few weeks, check it out they did this a while ago, but its litterrally just a wrapper around msn.com/weather. When they first made the change it was full of ads too lol. Its really loving bad and they're doing it to all their "apps".
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~Coxy posted:syke
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çaïq
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remember lightswitch? lol
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LieutenantFrost posted:remember lightswitch? lol
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Chris Knight posted:"psych" "skype"
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psych for business
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Chris Knight posted:psych for business sounds like another fine product brought to market by CEO Nwabudike Morgan of Morgan Industries
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oh also earlier today i discovered the FB app had randomly installed itself on my win11 PC. gently caress you microsoft. fuckusoft
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“tech giant brand synergy, baybe!” laughing satya; zuck awkwardly baring his teeth in an attempt to emulate human emotion
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edge finally pushed me too far. goddamn bing chat stuff and a coupon popup. going back to chome. rip my data privacy
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bing chat blows.
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michaelsoft bing blows
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Best Bi Geek Squid posted:edge finally pushed me too far. goddamn bing chat stuff and a coupon popup. going back to chome. rip my data privacy lol at thinking sending all your data to microsoft was any better than sending it all to google use firefox dammit, or at least use ungoogled chromium
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Aug 28, 2023 05:50
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r u ready to WALK posted:use firefox dammit, lmbo
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quit loving complaining about your lack of privacy
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it wasn’t an entirely earnest complaint in the “your operating system is a piece of poo poo” subforum
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bing chat enterprise BING CHAT ENTERPRISE quote:Microsoft’s Bing Chat Enterprise is now available in the Windows Copilot preview.
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i could not disable all that bing sidebar poo poo fast enough when edge opened up for the first time in a while on my computer. edge opened because outlook reset the setting to open links in the default browser instead of edge again.
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hey, we noticed you manually set a bunch of preference to things that aren't our defaults, so we've gone ahead and reset them for you so you don't miss out on any of our value added services!
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you want to get the most from windows, right? don't worry, if you answered anything other than yes we'll forget in a day and ask you again.
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infernal machines posted:hey, we noticed you manually set a bunch of preference to things that aren't our defaults, so we've gone ahead and reset them for you so you don't miss out on any of our value added services!
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infernal machines posted:hey, we noticed you manually set a bunch of preference to things that aren't our defaults, so we've gone ahead and reset them for you so you don't miss out on any of our value added services! God I loving hate this Adobe: I see that you have a custom workspace set up that you always have active. You don't really like that though, right? You didn't mean to use that? We're gonna go ahead and return you to the NEW EXPERIENCE with 80% of the tools hidden and nothing where it was. And we'll do that about once a week. You're welcome!
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