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Pinterest Mom
Jun 9, 2009

Island Nation posted:

I'm not going to touch that question with a 23ft/7m pole since it's a no win situation. You will piss someone off talking about it and seems odd they'd put it up.

The question structure seems equally odd. A fairly wordy intro, the question buried in the middle then a less wordy conclusion meant to clue you in to the answer. I guess compared to Jeopardy it's Charles Dickens vs Ernest Hemingway in authorship

We're in the LearnedLeague offseason right now. Between seasons, the commissioner lets community members run their own quizzes and leagues. That question was in one of those community-run quizzes, and yeah, it's lower quality than the usual LL standard as a result.

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Spokes
Jan 9, 2010

Thanks for a MONSTER of an avatar, Awful Survivor Mods!
the question has been restored (behind a spoiler link) and there was a largely-reasonable statement made about it by the commissioner so i will put my pitchfork down for today.

anyway i'm out of my non-compete with the chase in 3 weeks and the game show dogs are BARKING. gonna try for Wheel, and if that doesn't work out i'll hope they're doing season 2 of The Floor or something, and if that's no good i'll go try to win ten grand on whatever interchangeably watchable-but-samey show GSN is taping now or something. love trivia

Anne Whateley
Feb 11, 2007
:unsmith: i like nice words
The Floor has legitimately made me more concerned about society than anything. For anyone who hasn’t seen it, I cannot emphasize enough that this would be Idiocracy’s game show. The concept is they show you a photo and you have to identify it. The example photos are like rubber bands, dice, a ladybug, nails, string, cars, a wrench. These are actual examples. There are zero catches, you’re not having to dodge fireballs or hula-hoop or anything at the same time. You just have to able to see a clear photo of a strawberry and say “strawberry.”

TelevisedInsanity
Dec 19, 2008

"You'll never know if you can fly unless you take the risk of falling."

Anne Whateley posted:

The Floor has legitimately made me more concerned about society than anything. For anyone who hasn’t seen it, I cannot emphasize enough that this would be Idiocracy’s game show. The concept is they show you a photo and you have to identify it. The example photos are like rubber bands, dice, a ladybug, nails, string, cars, a wrench. These are actual examples. There are zero catches, you’re not having to dodge fireballs or hula-hoop or anything at the same time. You just have to able to see a clear photo of a strawberry and say “strawberry.”

(Photo of Strawberry)

"...pass"

(STRAWBERRY in Graphic as 3 seconds go down)

(photo of Tangerine)

"... Orange? Pass."

(TANGERINE in graphic as 3 more seconds go down)

(photo of Kumquat)

"... Kumquat?"

ROB LOWE: (Mouths to camera) "Wow!"

Old Kentucky Shark
May 25, 2012

If you think you're gonna get sympathy from the shark, well then, you won't.


I thought you were joking, so I pulled up a video at random, and the first fifteen seconds were "Flashlight... tape dispenser...scissors... pen... coupons... nail clipper... glasses fixer set....""

The latter was an eyeglasses repair kit, which they gave him credit for. We're done as a species.

Island Nation
Jun 20, 2006
Trust No One
Ok, I watch The Floor since it's on right after Celebrity Jeopardy (I'm annoyed that Katie and Mo both missed a easy Final, they should know better) and while it's not Jeopardy, it is not the end of the world as we know it (and I feel fine). Deal or No Deal is more damning.

The game is 81 people in their own space on the floor competing for $250k (should be larger) by going head to head in categories that one player INTENTIONALLY picked as their field of specialty (someone chose food and office supplies). Each player gets 45 seconds on the clock. Get an answer correct and your clock stops and play moves to the other person. Miss and you lose 3 seconds. Run out of time and you're out of the game, the winner absorbs that space and takes on the other person's category if they were the one challenged (That part is a bit fuzzy for me) so a person who that Simpsons guest stars could inherit math equations as their field. If you have the most spaces at episode's end, you win $20k (split if people tie) so a incentive to challenge is there.

It reminds me of rapid chess is this regard. Yes, it's not the classic version but it has its own structure that makes it compelling at least to me. If you don't like it, read Don Quixote or count your Morgan dollar collection or listen to Beethoven's Eroica symphony. Those haven't gone away because Rob Lowe's career went from West Wing to this. The internet only makes us stupid only if we choose to be.

Anne Whateley
Feb 11, 2007
:unsmith: i like nice words
Imo, take with a large grain of salt all the stuff about “experts in their field, they chose this category!!” Maybe for some. For most of it I think they either picked from an existing list or were assigned a category. Nobody is coming up with “junk drawer.” Iirc someone referred to not choosing their “chosen” category or not feeling that comfortable with it, something like that.

It also isn’t rapid. I don’t know if there’s a lag between the photo appearing and the answer light going on or what, but it very rarely feels fast. The Chase, for example, is much faster (despite the host) while also asking actual questions.

How subject inheritance works is clearer once you realize they only have one set of pictures for each category. A subject will never be played twice. Imo it might be more interesting if you got to keep your own category if you won.

The concept of the floor is interesting, but the strategy is just to pick the category you feel the best about. I thought from the chosen subject concept that it would be more like Beat the Geeks, but you are literally being asked to identify a paper clip.

While it doesn’t erase other work, it does obviously shift the window of trivia shows pretty far to the side of dementia patients, which hopefully won’t encourage imitators. Deal or No Deal isn’t related to trivia at all afaik and doesn’t affect trivia shows any more than Wipeout does.

(Why am I watching it? Because I’m helping out my parents [not intellectually impaired] and they have it on)

Spokes
Jan 9, 2010

Thanks for a MONSTER of an avatar, Awful Survivor Mods!
I think your perception of the floor is justified as they definitely have struggled to fill some of these categories with stuff that requires a little knowledge.

But some of the duels have been quite good—movie quotes from this week, complete the book title, horror movies, etc—I thought spices and tourist locations from this week were also great, come to think of it. it’s very hit or miss. I am concerned that the epic finale is just going to be a series of these very stupid categories and it flops. I’d like to see some changes for the inevitable season 2 (from what I understand the ratings are quite good) but I’m really enjoying both the show structure and at least a portion of the duels.

I think if “name what you’re looking at” is not engaging to you as a watcher that’s perfectly fair and there have been some real clunkers. But I also think it’s interesting enough to at least speed through on Hulu if there’s nothing to watch.

Island Nation
Jun 20, 2006
Trust No One
With Celebrity Jeopardy over, I'm not interested in watch The Floor by itself but the hyperbole was a bit too much. I was also watching it with a parent as well.

Any idea if the UK version comes back? I think they only taped 20 episodes

Skyl3lazer
Aug 27, 2007

[Dooting Stealthily]



Wow is this tournament still going?

BaronVonVaderham
Jul 31, 2011

All hail the queen!
It really just started, we had so much second chance stuff first, but since that tournament fed into this one it feels like it's all one continuous thing.

Wraith of J.O.I.
Jan 25, 2012


is the tournament of champions after this champions wildcard?

it's been so long since a non-tourney episode

F_Shit_Fitzgerald
Feb 2, 2017



Yeah, I've checked out of it all. I'm tourneyed out.

Nick Soapdish
Apr 27, 2008


Dear God they still have *another* tournament left

[Tom Servo voice] ÀAAAAAAAAAAAH!

Timby
Dec 23, 2006

Your mother!

Nick Soapdish posted:

Dear God they still have *another* tournament left

[Tom Servo voice] ÀAAAAAAAAAAAH!

Non-tournament play doesn't resume until late March or early April, I believe.

BaronVonVaderham
Jul 31, 2011

All hail the queen!

Nick Soapdish posted:

Dear God they still have *another* tournament left

[Tom Servo voice] ÀAAAAAAAAAAAH!

At least TOC is different from the others with the difficulty ramp-up. I'm looking forward to that one.

Spokes
Jan 9, 2010

Thanks for a MONSTER of an avatar, Awful Survivor Mods!
i found this early draft of house of leaves

demented scrawlings of a broken man

yarn-and-all conspiracy theory board


explanation of upcoming Jeopardy programming here: https://jeopardy.mattcarberry.com/roadmap40.html

looks like it's three weeks of another champions wildcard then a month of TOC then some sort of invitational and then, maybe, someday a new player or two?

Timby posted:

Non-tournament play doesn't resume until late March or early April, I believe.

looks like 4/10 is the likely date for first new players yeah

davecrazy
Nov 25, 2004

I'm an insufferable shitposter who does not deserve to root for such a good team. Also, this is what Matt Harvey thinks of me and my garbage posting.
It’s late in the game, you can make a big DD wager that gets you in striking distance of the leader only moments away from final Jeopardy.

“I’ll wager 2500”

I almost threw my remote.

TelevisedInsanity
Dec 19, 2008

"You'll never know if you can fly unless you take the risk of falling."

davecrazy posted:

It’s late in the game, you can make a big DD wager that gets you in striking distance of the leader only moments away from final Jeopardy.

“I’ll wager 2500”

I almost threw my remote.

Most jeopardy champions in interviews say the two things really needed are buzzer skill and knowledge of wagering, the clues come second.

Unless you're sure you don't know the category, and want to be an Alex Jacob, go big. Especially when nobody else will answer it.

It's right up there with when wheel of fortune contestants solve and take the fast $1,000 instead of spinning to call a double or triple wheel value on the remaining part of the most. CHE-ING -U--LE GU-

BaronVonVaderham
Jul 31, 2011

All hail the queen!

davecrazy posted:

It’s late in the game, you can make a big DD wager that gets you in striking distance of the leader only moments away from final Jeopardy.

“I’ll wager 2500”

I almost threw my remote.

:same:

People constantly playing to not lose instead of playing to win, especially in a tournament.

The Mighty Moltres
Dec 21, 2012

Come! We must fly!


Yeah, I was also like “wtf, whyyy?”

F_Shit_Fitzgerald
Feb 2, 2017



Another one I notice: you find the Daily Double, decide to 'go all in' but don't know the answer. Tough luck, but it happens.

The contestant then proceeds to choose a $600 clue instead of going for the $2000 one. Don't you want to earn back that cash fast so that you can continue to be competitive (or maybe I'm missing some Jeopardy tactic here)?

Zero One
Dec 30, 2004

HAIL TO THE VICTORS!

TelevisedInsanity posted:


It's right up there with when wheel of fortune contestants solve and take the fast $1,000 instead of spinning to call a double or triple wheel value on the remaining part of the most. CHE-ING -U--LE GU-

Eh, this I get. With Wheel there are multiple lose a turn and bankruptcy spaces. You could just as easily get nothing and give the win to the next person by spinning. Most spaces are worth less than $1000 too so you need to spin multiple times to out perform that easy money.

CPColin
Sep 9, 2003

Big ol' smile.
In this case, though, calling a B will probably get you more than $1000. It also sucks when they land on like $200, call the B, then spin again, land on $800, and call the W. If you're gonna just keep spinning until you fill out the whole puzzle then save the B for a good spin!

Zero One
Dec 30, 2004

HAIL TO THE VICTORS!
A typical game is also only 4 rounds where the final round is the Final Spin format. In that round you can keep calling a letter to rack up your cash but risk giving the puzzle away to a competitor.

For the 3 normal rounds one is always a Prize Puzzle which awards you a trip usually worth more than $10k. So that round you should always solve instead of trying to get a couple hundred extra bucks.

So only half the time it's not a terrible idea to risk a couple more spins. But that also assumes there are enough blank squares left for it to be worth the gamble too. Or that you aren't already leading the game with a wild card or $1 million wedge you might risk losing too.

Zesty
Jan 17, 2012

The Great Twist
I don't watch wheel because lol wheel of fortune, but there's got to be a statistically correct choice to make at any step. But I guess wheel of fortune doesn't select for contestants that would be capable of that.

It's surprising enough when Jeopardy contestants make the obviously bad move but I guess they aren't selected for their strategy so much as their ability to pass an online test and not be a bore in an audition.

InsensitiveSeaBass
Apr 1, 2008

You're entering a realm which is unusual. Maybe it's magic, or contains some kind of monster... The second one. Prepare to enter The Scary Door.
Nap Ghost

Zesty posted:

I don't watch wheel because lol wheel of fortune, but there's got to be a statistically correct choice to make at any step. But I guess wheel of fortune doesn't select for contestants that would be capable of that.

It's surprising enough when Jeopardy contestants make the obviously bad move but I guess they aren't selected for their strategy so much as their ability to pass an online test and not be a bore in an audition.

Somehow I stumbled on a military week repeat of wheel once. Those three officers destroyed the board, and I swear got through twice as many puzzles as an average episode.

bucksmash
Mar 11, 2002

InsensitiveSeaBass posted:

Somehow I stumbled on a military week repeat of wheel once. Those three officers destroyed the board, and I swear got through twice as many puzzles as an average episode.
No big surprise there, WoF is "America's Propaganda Game" and the smartest military members always seemed to be picked. A former Seattle radio DJ (and also former? goon, En Fuego) was on an episode years ago, and his episode kept getting bumped to a later date. He wasn't sure why until he was finally told his episode would air nationally on Memorial Day 2016 - one of his opponents was an active Navy serviceman who went on to curbstomp his opponents.

RC and Moon Pie
May 5, 2011

The 1980s Commodore 64 version of Wheel would only buy vowels only when absolutely necessary. I still get unreasonably annoyed when vowels are bought willy-nilly.

PSXer
Aug 2, 2006

The most exciting use of 1s and 0s next to internet porn
The $250 to buy a vowel was worth a lot more when the show first started. Now, it still costs $250. You can't even buy a hamburger for $250, so you might as well.

Goober Peas
Jun 30, 2007

Check out my 'Vette, bro


PSXer posted:

The $250 to buy a vowel was worth a lot more when the show first started. Now, it still costs $250. You can't even buy a hamburger for $250, so you might as well.

This plus the whole buying a prize premise. $250 could be the difference between buying something you want and having to buy a magazine rack so you can come back the next day.

Goober Peas fucked around with this message at 00:55 on Feb 12, 2024

banned from Starbucks
Jul 18, 2004




Why would you ring in on that last clue. It amazes me how people this dumb get on this show.

Spokes
Jan 9, 2010

Thanks for a MONSTER of an avatar, Awful Survivor Mods!
It’s so loving corny that he apologized lmao

TelevisedInsanity
Dec 19, 2008

"You'll never know if you can fly unless you take the risk of falling."

banned from Starbucks posted:

Why would you ring in on that last clue. It amazes me how people this dumb get on this show.

All I could guess, they wanted to get the lock, before final.

It's better to take a guess on the level 1 simple question than risk it on final, and then a tie breaker.

Zesty
Jan 17, 2012

The Great Twist
ugh what a jackass.

HookShot
Dec 26, 2005

banned from Starbucks posted:

Why would you ring in on that last clue. It amazes me how people this dumb get on this show.

I haven't seen the episode in question but it sounds like there was a tie or just barely a runaway? I can tell you from personal experience that you do not know what your own score is for much of the game. I knew at the beginning of rounds, before daily doubles, and at the end of rounds. The rest of the time I didn't have the opportunity to look at the scores at all. It's on the other side of the room from the board, way up high, and you're just focused on the clues and the game.

Duckman2008
Jan 6, 2010

TFW you see Flyers goaltending.
Grimey Drawer
https://www.theringer.com/tv/2023/5/2/23705821/jeopardy-lost-tapes-barbara-lowe-mystery-champion


This story is wild.

F_Shit_Fitzgerald
Feb 2, 2017



It sucks that her good name has been disparaged for decades over what sounds like nothing, but I guess when you're pulling double duty as the show's Producer and the "on air talent", pissiness will happen. One thing I admire about Ken is that there's an everyman aspect about him. Alex always did come across as staid and pompous, even when he probably didn't mean to.

F_Shit_Fitzgerald fucked around with this message at 20:16 on Feb 18, 2024

RC and Moon Pie
May 5, 2011

F_Shit_Fitzgerald posted:

Sounds to me like Alex was bitchy to her and overreacted to things, but when you're a show's Producer and "on-air talent", recording an entire week's worth of games in a single day, I guess pissiness happens. What's a shame is that her good name has been disparaged for all this time over what sounds like stuff that was way overblown.

Eisenberg sounds like a dick, but Lowe doesn't strike me as the most reliable narrator.

Considering these were conservative men running the show, I wouldn't put it past them to unfairly single her out. But what was it that made them go above and beyond? I can see barring her from the TOC, but also not sending her the money and purposefully keeping her tapes out of the rerun stack?

And I don't buy her not fighting back very hard on the grounds that Trebek was beloved and she wouldn't win. Trebek was well known, but this was the late 1980s. Trebek wasn't untouchable in 1986-87 in the couts, if he ever would have been.

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F_Shit_Fitzgerald
Feb 2, 2017



No one knows the full story except for Eisenberg and Lowe, and not to white knight (it's entirely possible that Lowe was an rear end in ways she doesn't want to talk about), but Jeopardy does have a lot more money and legal firepower than a single former contestant. If they want to spread around overblown stories about how snobbish and difficult she was on set, who is going to believe her over a professional studio?

Anyway, it's an interesting story. I wasn't even aware these "lost" episodes existed until this afternoon. I figured a game show like Jeopardy! would be very well documented.

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