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DrDork
Dec 29, 2003
commanding officer of the Army of Dorkness

Wasabi the J posted:

I think this thread focuses on telling people not to use TV's as monitors more for desk use ("I SAW THIS SWEET $300 4K TV, I TOTALLY OUTSMARTED YOU ALL!") because they look like poo poo up close, they're hot, and they're not made with computing in mind.
Also because, with a few exceptions, text looks like crap on TV's, which makes them pretty sub-optimal for use in a lot of general purpose or other text-heavy uses. But if all you want to do is connect a PC up so you can watch all your downloaded porn and play a few rounds of Killing Floor or Warhammer: Rat Exterminator, then have at.

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Odette
Mar 19, 2011



I'm saving up for a xb271hu, any idea when they'll be available to the general public? I know Acer's press release says NA/EMEA - Nov/Oct but I'm taking that with a grain of salt.

Grog
Mar 31, 2007



DrDork posted:

Also because, with a few exceptions, text looks like crap on TV's, which makes them pretty sub-optimal for use in a lot of general purpose or other text-heavy uses. But if all you want to do is connect a PC up so you can watch all your downloaded porn and play a few rounds of Killing Floor or Warhammer: Rat Exterminator, then have at.
Yeah, if you want your TV to function as an overall monitor, then you should specifically be looking for a TV that has the capability to use an RGB/4:4:4 signal and figure out how to get that working. Then text will look generally fine/not blurry and colours won't look as washed out as they might otherwise. That was one of the only reasons I bought my TV in the first place. I knew it could pass 4:4:4, but to get that working I have to use a DVI-HDMI cable and put an EDID override in the Nvidia drivers. On this specific model, that cuts off the audio portion of the signal and just makes it a "DVI - PC display" to the system. As far as I know, there's also an option to do it on AMD cards, I just haven't had an AMD/ATI card since my 9600 XT.

There are threads scattered around the web listing which models can pass a 4:4:4/RGB signal, including 4K at 60 Hz. I haven't been looking recently, so I don't know how exhaustive or up-to-date they are at this point.

Captain Yossarian
Feb 24, 2011

All new" Rings of Fire"


I THINK rtings.com lists if the TV has 4.4.4 or not. I know the vizio t.v. I have is honestly pretty decent as a placeholder monitor, but miss the 1440p

Super Space Jam 64
Jan 6, 2010

Yet another violation of regulation 1910 subpart D.


Do any of you have recommendations on a reliable G-sync monitor? I've been using a single Dell U2311H which has served me well, but would lke to try a dual monitor setup. I don't care as much about image quality as the U2311H is an IPS and is very crisp so i can just stream stuff on that display--rather I'm more interested in reliability, reasonable price, and decent resolution (1080p or higher), and of course the presence of G-Sync as I'd like to use this one for gaming.

I've been eyeballing an Acer-XB240H but the reviews indicate that hardware problems aren't uncommon. Should I go for it, or does anyone have a better suggestion?

VelociBacon
Dec 8, 2009



Super Space Jam 64 posted:

Do any of you have recommendations on a reliable G-sync monitor? I've been using a single Dell U2311H which has served me well, but would lke to try a dual monitor setup. I don't care as much about image quality as the U2311H is an IPS and is very crisp so i can just stream stuff on that display--rather I'm more interested in reliability, reasonable price, and decent resolution (1080p or higher), and of course the presence of G-Sync as I'd like to use this one for gaming.

I've been eyeballing an Acer-XB240H but the reviews indicate that hardware problems aren't uncommon. Should I go for it, or does anyone have a better suggestion?

I assume you're gaming, why wouldn't you care about image quality on the display you're gaming on?

Super Space Jam 64
Jan 6, 2010

Yet another violation of regulation 1910 subpart D.


I care about it but not to the detriment of higher refresh rate or G-sync, if I have to trade one for the other.

lewtt
Apr 2, 2011



The Great Twist

VelociBacon posted:

I assume you're gaming, why wouldn't you care about image quality on the display you're gaming on?

I do almost nothing but games on this rig, and although I can definitely see why people poo poo on TN compared to IPS, the only time I REALLY notice and consider it being a possible reason to not run a gsync monitor (within my pricepoint) is outside games, on heavy whites/blacks like the default colors of SA, where I really don't care. In games, I don't really notice it even having come from 3 previous IPS monitors

So yeah, it's a factor, but gsync far outweighs it for me for what I use it for

breaks
May 12, 2001



Super Space Jam 64 posted:

I've been eyeballing an Acer-XB240H but the reviews indicate that hardware problems aren't uncommon. Should I go for it, or does anyone have a better suggestion?

I have one. Mine has some minor backlight bleed (definitely noticeable with a black screen, not at all to me during my typical usage). Also of course the colors aren't as good as even the cheap, mediocre IPS monitor I have sitting next to it, though it's actually pretty good compared to the TN it replaced and other TNs I've used personally.

I guess I wouldn't want to watch movies on it or whatever, but for my purposes it's great. I just wanted a monitor as responsive as possible for playing FPSes and other fast action games, with GSync, for as little money as possible. I've been happy with it in that context. If colors or backlight stuff are a big deal to you though, it's probably not what you want.

TrueChaos
Nov 14, 2006




Looking for monitor recommendations, as the back light in my current monitor has died. What I'm looking for:

-27ish inch
-min 1920x1080
-dvi / Hdmi in
-usage is fps gaming and general Web browsing
-budget $300 Canadian, taxes / shipping included.

I'm coming from a Samsung SyncMaster 2693HM, which from what I can see is a TN panel. I've been happy with this monitor (purchased in 2008) and really just want something equivalent to it. Phone posting at the moment as I'm without a computer. The monitor turns on (well, the power light is on) but nothing on the screen & no flickering or anything, regardless of if I connect with HDMI or DVI, which is why I think the back light died.

AVeryLargeRadish
Aug 19, 2011

WolfDad is Best Dad.



TrueChaos posted:

Looking for monitor recommendations, as the back light in my current monitor has died. What I'm looking for:

-27ish inch
-min 1920x1080
-dvi / Hdmi in
-usage is fps gaming and general Web browsing
-budget $300 Canadian, taxes / shipping included.

I'm coming from a Samsung SyncMaster 2693HM, which from what I can see is a TN panel. I've been happy with this monitor (purchased in 2008) and really just want something equivalent to it. Phone posting at the moment as I'm without a computer. The monitor turns on (well, the power light is on) but nothing on the screen & no flickering or anything, regardless of if I connect with HDMI or DVI, which is why I think the back light died.

1080p starts looking pretty bad at 27", but 1440p 27" monitors are out of your budget. I'd recommend this monitor, it's in your price range, big but not so big that the lack of pixel density makes it look awful, it has low input lag and little in the way of ghosting, 2x HDMI, good built in speakers, good warranty and so on. It will also look a lot better than your old monitor.

frood
Aug 26, 2000
Nevermind.

Today I replaced this monitor(http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...N82E16824014158), and bought a new ASUS VS24AH-P. (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...N82E16824236331)

This is my first IPS monitor so I don't know if what I'm seeing is a problem or just how displays are.

http://imgur.com/a/UtKx2/all

The first image is what the monitor looks like straight on, which is fine.

Next is what the monitor looks like from about 45 to the left.

Next is if I move my camera up about 6 inches.

It's kind of like backlight bleed, but it's totally uniform over the whole monitor and entirely dependent on viewing angle. I thought IPS was supposed to have superior viewing angles to TN? This seems much worse. Is this how the panel is supposed to look, or is there a problem with it?

Rockybar
Sep 3, 2008



AVeryLargeRadish posted:

1080p starts looking pretty bad at 27", but 1440p 27" monitors are out of your budget. I'd recommend this monitor, it's in your price range, big but not so big that the lack of pixel density makes it look awful, it has low input lag and little in the way of ghosting, 2x HDMI, good built in speakers, good warranty and so on. It will also look a lot better than your old monitor.

My dad needs a better, larger screen for work, because his eyesight isn't brilliant, you think a 27 inch 1080p would be alright for that?

KodiakRS
Jul 11, 2012



Odette posted:

I'm saving up for a xb271hu, any idea when they'll be available to the general public? I know Acer's press release says NA/EMEA - Nov/Oct but I'm taking that with a grain of salt.

The XB271HU, PG279Q, and the G-sync version of the X34 were are all supposed to be available now or within the next week but none of them seem to be available, even for pre-order. Maybe the G-Sync module factory burned down or something.

reagan
Apr 29, 2008

by Lowtax


frood posted:

Today I replaced this monitor(http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...N82E16824014158), and bought a new ASUS VS24AH-P. (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...N82E16824236331)

This is my first IPS monitor so I don't know if what I'm seeing is a problem or just how displays are.

http://imgur.com/a/UtKx2/all

The first image is what the monitor looks like straight on, which is fine.

Next is what the monitor looks like from about 45 to the left.

Next is if I move my camera up about 6 inches.

It's kind of like backlight bleed, but it's totally uniform over the whole monitor and entirely dependent on viewing angle. I thought IPS was supposed to have superior viewing angles to TN? This seems much worse. Is this how the panel is supposed to look, or is there a problem with it?

Imgur is down, but that sounds like IPS glow. Some models are worse than others. I have a Dell U2412M that I am returning for dead pixels that has absolutely atrocious IPS glow, particularly in the bottom left corner.

negativeneil
Jul 8, 2000

"Personally, I think he's done a great job of being down to earth so far."


I'm trying to find a 120hz/144hz monitor that isn't made from black plastic. Is there a single high performance monitor out there that doesn't look ugly as hell?

Subjunctive
Sep 12, 2006

careful now


I think you're looking at popping the case and painting at this point.

AVeryLargeRadish
Aug 19, 2011

WolfDad is Best Dad.



frood posted:

Today I replaced this monitor(http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...N82E16824014158), and bought a new ASUS VS24AH-P. (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...N82E16824236331)

This is my first IPS monitor so I don't know if what I'm seeing is a problem or just how displays are.

http://imgur.com/a/UtKx2/all

The first image is what the monitor looks like straight on, which is fine.

Next is what the monitor looks like from about 45 to the left.

Next is if I move my camera up about 6 inches.

It's kind of like backlight bleed, but it's totally uniform over the whole monitor and entirely dependent on viewing angle. I thought IPS was supposed to have superior viewing angles to TN? This seems much worse. Is this how the panel is supposed to look, or is there a problem with it?

That looks like fairly strong IPS glow, all IPS monitors have some amount of it and it is more noticeable in low light conditions. I use a Dell U2415 in somewhat low light conditions and it has almost no IPS glow even with a black background. But IPS glow is also more noticeable the higher you have the brightness set, what do you have the brightness set to on your monitor? Have you calibrated your monitor?

Rockybar posted:

My dad needs a better, larger screen for work, because his eyesight isn't brilliant, you think a 27 inch 1080p would be alright for that?

It's very hard to answer that, I'd say to go to a store with display models and look at those with him, that will give you the best idea of what size and resolution is comfortable for him.

Odette
Mar 19, 2011



KodiakRS posted:

The XB271HU, PG279Q, and the G-sync version of the X34 were are all supposed to be available now or within the next week but none of them seem to be available, even for pre-order. Maybe the G-Sync module factory burned down or something.

Was it like this when the XB271HU came out? I vaguely remember that the Acer + ASUS 1440p144 monitors took a while to actually become available.

frood
Aug 26, 2000
Nevermind.

AVeryLargeRadish posted:

That looks like fairly strong IPS glow, all IPS monitors have some amount of it and it is more noticeable in low light conditions. I use a Dell U2415 in somewhat low light conditions and it has almost no IPS glow even with a black background. But IPS glow is also more noticeable the higher you have the brightness set, what do you have the brightness set to on your monitor? Have you calibrated your monitor?

I have the brightness set to 30/100 and the contrast set to 55/100. I guess I knew monitor calibration was thing, but I'd never done it before. I went through this (http://www.lagom.nl/lcd-test/) and it seems to check out. Given that, I'm guessing what I'm seeing is just IPS glow that I'm either going to have to get used to or return the monitor?

Alpenglow
Mar 12, 2007
The mountain has many secrets, but the biggest is this: I am a fake mountain.

Newegg has the XB270HU "bprz" for suddenly $709...

What's with the "bprz" now? I don't remember it before, is it a new code for all the dust-filled QC failures? Or the version that burns your house down? I was thinking it's a sneaky way of naming the old TN equivalent, but the stats say IPS.

Anybody know if this really is just inventory clearing before the 271, or something to seriously avoid?

Wowporn
May 31, 2012

HarumphHarumphHarumph


frood posted:

I have the brightness set to 30/100 and the contrast set to 55/100. I guess I knew monitor calibration was thing, but I'd never done it before. I went through this (http://www.lagom.nl/lcd-test/) and it seems to check out. Given that, I'm guessing what I'm seeing is just IPS glow that I'm either going to have to get used to or return the monitor?

I would return it if you can, that seems worse than it should be, my glowiest ips monitor isn't even half that bad.

Speaking of does anyone know if it's easy to get the vertical part of the stand off of a shimian without taking the whole thing apart? Having that part of the stand on it while I have it on an arm is annoying but not enough to risk bricking it

Hyperdermic Needle
Oct 24, 2010


Trying to decide between the 5k retina iMac versus using a Macbook Pro with a 4k display. Anyone have experience with this decision?

TrueChaos
Nov 14, 2006




AVeryLargeRadish posted:

1080p starts looking pretty bad at 27", but 1440p 27" monitors are out of your budget. I'd recommend this monitor, it's in your price range, big but not so big that the lack of pixel density makes it look awful, it has low input lag and little in the way of ghosting, 2x HDMI, good built in speakers, good warranty and so on. It will also look a lot better than your old monitor.

Thanks for the recommendation! I've been using a 27" @ 1080p for years, and I'm not too concerned about it being too big related to pixel density - my desk is deep, so I'm farther away than might be normal. The one thing I don't need is the built in speakers, as I have a decent audio setup. Any ideas on something that might be less expensive or better quality due to lack of speakers? How far out of my budget would I need to go to get 1440p?

AVeryLargeRadish
Aug 19, 2011

WolfDad is Best Dad.



frood posted:

I have the brightness set to 30/100 and the contrast set to 55/100. I guess I knew monitor calibration was thing, but I'd never done it before. I went through this (http://www.lagom.nl/lcd-test/) and it seems to check out. Given that, I'm guessing what I'm seeing is just IPS glow that I'm either going to have to get used to or return the monitor?

I'd either try an exchange in case you just got a faulty one with super bad glow or a return and try a different model. I have my Dell U2415 set to 36% brightness and I see no IPS glow in normal use and even if I set the screen to full black, crank the brightness up and turn the screen to an extreme angle I don't see anything nearly as bad as yours. I looked up your monitor and I don't see a ton of complaints about IPS glow so maybe it's just that you got a bad one.


Alpenglow posted:

Newegg has the XB270HU "bprz" for suddenly $709...

What's with the "bprz" now? I don't remember it before, is it a new code for all the dust-filled QC failures? Or the version that burns your house down? I was thinking it's a sneaky way of naming the old TN equivalent, but the stats say IPS.

Anybody know if this really is just inventory clearing before the 271, or something to seriously avoid?

The "Abprz" is the TN version, the "bprz" is the IPS one.

frood
Aug 26, 2000
Nevermind.

Wowporn posted:

I would return it if you can, that seems worse than it should be, my glowiest ips monitor isn't even half that bad.

AVeryLargeRadish posted:

I'd either try an exchange in case you just got a faulty one with super bad glow or a return and try a different model. I have my Dell U2415 set to 36% brightness and I see no IPS glow in normal use and even if I set the screen to full black, crank the brightness up and turn the screen to an extreme angle I don't see anything nearly as bad as yours. I looked up your monitor and I don't see a ton of complaints about IPS glow so maybe it's just that you got a bad one.

I actually already boxed it up to return it to Amazon. I'm going to get a refund because getting and returning multiple monitors which may not fix the issue sounds like a hassle.

I would try the Dell you have Radish, but didn't you say it's not really great for gaming? That's actually about 60% of what I do on my computer so whatever i get needs to have no ghosting and a pretty low input lag, ideally.

I guess I'm going go with my current monitor until it dies or a viable alternative presents itself. Maybe around tax return time I can make the jump to 1440p. Thanks for your feedback and advice guys.

AVeryLargeRadish
Aug 19, 2011

WolfDad is Best Dad.



TrueChaos posted:

Thanks for the recommendation! I've been using a 27" @ 1080p for years, and I'm not too concerned about it being too big related to pixel density - my desk is deep, so I'm farther away than might be normal. The one thing I don't need is the built in speakers, as I have a decent audio setup. Any ideas on something that might be less expensive or better quality due to lack of speakers? How far out of my budget would I need to go to get 1440p?

Hmmm, for 1440p/27" you are looking at $500+ for a decent one, so waaay out of your budget. If you are ok with 1080p/27" there is the Asus VX279Q for a little over $300 with a $30 MIR or the Asus MX279H for $330 but with free shipping. Of the two the MX279H is better, the VX278Q is an older model so I feel the MX279H is the better buy since you have to wait like 3-4 months on the MIR to get processed.

AVeryLargeRadish
Aug 19, 2011

WolfDad is Best Dad.



frood posted:

I actually already boxed it up to return it to Amazon. I'm going to get a refund because getting and returning multiple monitors which may not fix the issue sounds like a hassle.

I would try the Dell you have Radish, but didn't you say it's not really great for gaming? That's actually about 60% of what I do on my computer so whatever i get needs to have no ghosting and a pretty low input lag, ideally.

I guess I'm going go with my current monitor until it dies or a viable alternative presents itself. Maybe around tax return time I can make the jump to 1440p. Thanks for your feedback and advice guys.

It's fine for gaming, just not up to the standards of someone playing CSS for cash prizes or something like that. You can read a review here.

Captain Yossarian
Feb 24, 2011

All new" Rings of Fire"


Nah you can get the Korean 1440p monitors for like 200$

BurritoJustice
Oct 9, 2012



You can get a Crossover 2795QHD on ebay for $300 that craps all over every other 1440p monitor up until the 1440p144Hz offering.

DrDork
Dec 29, 2003
commanding officer of the Army of Dorkness

Wowporn posted:

Speaking of does anyone know if it's easy to get the vertical part of the stand off of a shimian without taking the whole thing apart? Having that part of the stand on it while I have it on an arm is annoying but not enough to risk bricking it
You cannot. It's stupid as hell, and whoever designed it should be shot. That said, it's pretty easy to remove, so I wouldn't feel too scared of doing so.

pioneermax
May 25, 2003
Remember, you are not a salmon

So im really considering the QNIX QX2710 from ebay as an offgrade stock, what are the pitfalls or things to be aware of ?

SCheeseman
Apr 23, 2003



pioneermax posted:

So im really considering the QNIX QX2710 from ebay as an offgrade stock, what are the pitfalls or things to be aware of ?

A couple dead pixels, marks on the screen or backlight bleed. People who have bought them have generally been quite happy though. It's still better than getting a TN screen.

TrueChaos
Nov 14, 2006




BurritoJustice posted:

You can get a Crossover 2795QHD on ebay for $300 that craps all over every other 1440p monitor up until the 1440p144Hz offering.

So basically this one? I'm reading about instances of dust behind the screen, lots of dead pixels etc. Are these issues overblown?

http://m.ebay.com/itm/New-CROSSOVER...6.c100408.m2460

FateFree
Nov 14, 2003



VulgarandStupid posted:

Acer has the z35 coming out for about $1000, 35" 2560x1080p 144/g-sync VA.

They also have a 34" 3440x1440p IPS 75/g-sync which will be about $1300.

Asus has their version of the same thing coming as well that will probably overclock to a higher amount of hz, but details are more scarce.

The choice between these two is killing me. I have a 30 inch 2560x1600 60hz now, and Im looking at either of these for a long term upgrade but I cant figure out which is more valuable, the resolution or the refresh rate. Any thoughts? I like to casually game and develop.

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VulgarandStupid
Aug 5, 2003
I AM, AND ALWAYS WILL BE, UNFUCKABLE AND A TOTAL DISAPPOINTMENT TO EVERYONE. DAE WANNA CUM PLAY WITH ME!?


BurritoJustice posted:

You can get a Crossover 2795QHD on ebay for $300 that craps all over every other 1440p monitor up until the 1440p144Hz offering.

Is the general consensus on these that they have less motion blur than the older Korean Monitors? I have a Yamasaki Q270 which apparently has good input lag, but when you swing the camera around on first and third person games it can make things hard to spot. If that's the case, I may just grab one of these instead of going in deep on a g-sync.

TrueChaos posted:

So basically this one? I'm reading about instances of dust behind the screen, lots of dead pixels etc. Are these issues overblown?

http://m.ebay.com/itm/New-CROSSOVER...6.c100408.m2460

I think this is the old model, the 27qd, not the 2795. I don't think it's flicker free.

TrueChaos
Nov 14, 2006




VulgarandStupid posted:

I think this is the old model, the 27qd, not the 2795. I don't think it's flicker free.

You're right. This is the one.

http://m.ebay.ca/itm/Perfect-Pixel-...3783?nav=SEARCH

I can find them as low as $370CAD, but that one is guaranteed a max of 1 dead pixel. It's over my budget but I'm considering it, as I tend to use a monitor until it actually dies and 1440p seems like it would be better for future proofing.

E: my video card has a dual link DVI-I output, this will work with a DVI-D port on the monitor, correct?

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Captain Yossarian
Feb 24, 2011

All new" Rings of Fire"


Don't pay more for "perfect pixel" is my advice. I've gotten two Korean ips 1440s now, both "used, refurbished" or w/e and haven't paid more then 225$ for one. That's U.S. dollars I should say

Krailor
Nov 2, 2001
I'm only pretending to care

Taco Defender

If you don't care about overclocking the monitor then you can usually find the QNIX 2710 cheaper than Crossovers.

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reagan
Apr 29, 2008

by Lowtax


My second Dell U2412M has no dead pixels but one of the backlight LEDs is stuck on the full brightness setting.

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