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SweetMercifulCrap!
Jan 28, 2012


Lipstick Apathy

Rolo posted:

gently caress, I loved Quiznos until just now when I decided to research this. Turkey ranch and Swiss was so drat good.



Yeah, Quiznos subs were by far the best out of the main sub chains. Sucks.

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BexGu
Jan 9, 2004

This fucking day....

Booblord Zagats posted:

My money is Ubisoft crashing and Rockstar having to cozy up to another brand like EA or Valve because of the massive amount of costs they endure in development cycles.

Also I hear rumor that EA and Microsoft have open offers to just buy CIG, the "company" "amking" the "videogame" Star Citizen when it burns out

But why? Microsoft already did that with Freelancer and it was okay at best. Looking at the Star Citizen Alpha that is out the game is barely running as it is (and will not really scale) and even then I'm not sure how much of the art assets really are worth.

CIG already got the sad sacks money.

ColoradoCleric
Dec 26, 2012

by FactsAreUseless


Maybe they will finally update and put all those missing games on steam.

Cleretic
Feb 3, 2010

Like a bull in a china shop.

Well, if the bull owned the china shop.


Booblord Zagats posted:

Yeah, Square Enix has a license to print money with their RPG franchises, they're really in no place to be worried. Plus their porting of their older games to mobile platforms has been a really solid side bet for them

Actually, their big RPG releases are having the most trouble. Their core Japanese development team--so Final Fantasy, primarily--has been struggling to update its product for an audience that it thinks has moved on. Nobody buys JRPGs on consoles anymore.

Only its audience quite clearly hasn't moved on, because their ports onto mobile and stuff like Record Keeper make bank, and people eat up more classic JRPG stuff like Bravely Default that comes out on handhelds. JRPGs haven't been popular on consoles in recent years because they haven't been MADE on consoles in recent years. If we draw the line for 'modern consoles' at the PS3/360/Wii generation onwards, the only big JRPGs that have been made are Monolith's Xenoblade games, the Final Fantasy XIII series, and that new Tales Of game that came out this year. The only one of those that was poorly-received was FFXIII, so it's more likely because the FFXIII series is poo poo than anything about the genre.

S-E's mobile/handheld titles are making good money, and Eidos is making good money despite some missteps, so S-E as a whole is healthy. But they've got what Sega used to have going, where their biggest franchise is so core to their brand that it failing looks like them failing. So we see them taking a decade to make a game that's barely Final Fantasy, and we see them desperately making a remake of their most popular title to please somebody while misunderstanding the reason many people want it, and we just assume they're circling the drain. Because it doesn't really occur to us that they're also the guys profiting from Just Cause, Tomb Raider and Deus Ex.

turn it up TURN ME ON
Mar 18, 2012

In the Grim Darkness of the Future, there is only war.

...and delicious ice cream.


Doobie's Dog House

Snow Cone Capone
Jul 30, 2003
MANGOSTEEN CHUGGER


Cleretic posted:

Actually, their big RPG releases are having the most trouble. Their core Japanese development team--so Final Fantasy, primarily--has been struggling to update its product for an audience that it thinks has moved on. Nobody buys JRPGs on consoles anymore.

Only its audience quite clearly hasn't moved on, because their ports onto mobile and stuff like Record Keeper make bank, and people eat up more classic JRPG stuff like Bravely Default that comes out on handhelds. JRPGs haven't been popular on consoles in recent years because they haven't been MADE on consoles in recent years. If we draw the line for 'modern consoles' at the PS3/360/Wii generation onwards, the only big JRPGs that have been made are Monolith's Xenoblade games, the Final Fantasy XIII series, and that new Tales Of game that came out this year. The only one of those that was poorly-received was FFXIII, so it's more likely because the FFXIII series is poo poo than anything about the genre.

S-E's mobile/handheld titles are making good money, and Eidos is making good money despite some missteps, so S-E as a whole is healthy. But they've got what Sega used to have going, where their biggest franchise is so core to their brand that it failing looks like them failing. So we see them taking a decade to make a game that's barely Final Fantasy, and we see them desperately making a remake of their most popular title to please somebody while misunderstanding the reason many people want it, and we just assume they're circling the drain. Because it doesn't really occur to us that they're also the guys profiting from Just Cause, Tomb Raider and Deus Ex.

Agreed, but unlike Sega, SE seems to listen to fan feedback. FFXIV is basically the MMO turnaround success story (for those who've never heard of it, FFXIV 1.0 was an absolute trainwreck and threatened to gouge the company out from the inside, but SE did a complete overhaul and 2.0 was re-released to almost universal acclaim and is robustly competing with World of Warcraft for subscription numbers). Also FFXV is getting shitloads of hype (deservedly so - IMO it looks incredible), and you can be drat sure that even if the FFVII remake is balls, it will sell millions of copies off the name alone. Their decision to make that remake episodic, while understandable and somewhat justified, is also going to make them a fuckton of money.

But yeah, between the XIII trilogy and the abortion that was XIV v1.0, they were in serious danger for a while (didn't the last Hitman game bomb like crazy too?)

Bonzo
Mar 11, 2004

Just like Mama used to make it!


Dinosaur Gum

SquadronROE posted:

Doobie's Dog House

He didn't have a drain. That's why he didn't get a soda fountain.

LethalGeek
Nov 4, 2009



Soiled Meat

drunk asian neighbor posted:

Agreed, but unlike Sega, SE seems to listen to fan feedback. FFXIV is basically the MMO turnaround success story (for those who've never heard of it, FFXIV 1.0 was an absolute trainwreck and threatened to gouge the company out from the inside, but SE did a complete overhaul and 2.0 was re-released to almost universal acclaim and is robustly competing with World of Warcraft for subscription numbers). Also FFXV is getting shitloads of hype (deservedly so - IMO it looks incredible), and you can be drat sure that even if the FFVII remake is balls, it will sell millions of copies off the name alone. Their decision to make that remake episodic, while understandable and somewhat justified, is also going to make them a fuckton of money.

But yeah, between the XIII trilogy and the abortion that was XIV v1.0, they were in serious danger for a while (didn't the last Hitman game bomb like crazy too?)
I always have to bring this up anytime FFXIV 1.0 is brought up: The biggest rage quit of all time, to the tune of $26M.

TacticalUrbanHomo
Aug 17, 2011

by Lowtax


Warbadger posted:

Yep, and there is a lot more competition than there used to be. You can't afford to be the company that straight up increases your prices to $75 while everyone else sticks to the $40-$55 mark. Instead companies find other ways to squeeze money out via DLC/expansions/subscriptions/etc.

Uh. Unless you're Activision, I guess? Or is this a joke about how they're failing, because I thought they were still raking in cash with their popular over-priced shovelware.

Houle
Oct 21, 2010


Either taxies or uber. The former have done nothing but hurt public perception with being finks, disruptive and raging while the latter has been getting unfair advantages and isn't very sustainable for the drivers.

That said I'm sort of rooting on uber since my experience with them have been far better vs taxis and I don't really like the idea of being locked in a box with a dude who took a baseball bat to a bunch of cars and public property because he got mad at competition.

ultrabindu
Jan 28, 2009


Speaking of video game development companies, what the hell happened at Konami?
I've heard all kinds of crazy rumors about mass sackings and making designers and devs work as janitors and security.

Skeleton Ape
Dec 21, 2008



*runs into thread, tshirt soaked in sweat*

Did someone mention

*takes 30 seconds to catch breath*

VIDEO GAMES?

*writes essay*

Nutsngum
Oct 9, 2004

I don't think it's nice, you laughing.

Skeleton Ape posted:

*runs into thread, tshirt soaked in sweat*

Did someone mention

*takes 30 seconds to catch breath*

VIDEO GAMES?

*writes essay*

You should probably wear a sports bra considering that kind of speed posting bro.

dreezy
Mar 4, 2015

yeah, rip.


has anyone checked draino's stocks lately? it'd be a laugh if THEY were circling the drain!

The Duchess Smackarse
May 8, 2012

by Lowtax


drunk asian neighbor posted:

Also FFXV is getting shitloads of hype (deservedly so - IMO it looks incredible),

I played the demo, it's clunky garbage and is gonna do Not Well.

Snow Cone Capone
Jul 30, 2003
MANGOSTEEN CHUGGER


gannyGrabber posted:

I played the demo, it's clunky garbage and is gonna do Not Well.

So did I and I thought it was pretty great, but the point is it's a new Final Fantasy and therefore even if it gets reviewed awfully, there's going to be a shitload of people who buy it at release because hey, new main-series Final Fantasy.

I'm not saying it's right and if it tanks hard it'll definitely damage the Final Fantasy name even more in the long run, but it is going to sell a ton of copies out of the gate.

Snow Cone Capone
Jul 30, 2003
MANGOSTEEN CHUGGER


http://www.twice.com/news/retail/ne...adioshack/60309

quote:

Indeed, the duo’s vision includes hundreds of small neighborhood stores, stocked with a distinctly Shack-like assortment of mobile phones, headphones, DIY, private-label accessories and even RC toys.
But the similarity ends there, insisted Shmoel, who described RadioShack as a retail relic.
"Their assortment is antiquated; it’s based on an era that was 40 years ago,” he argued.
Circuit City, in contrast, “is going to be all about connectivity,” very much a 21st century category, that will be well-represented by Bluetooth, wearable, networking, action-cam, and home-automation devices.
Other gaps in RadioShack’s lineup include laptops and TVs, he said, while the stores themselves are rundown and provide a poor customer experience.
“There’s nothing attractive there, there’s no draw,” Shmoel charged. On the other hand, “We’re working with Sony PlayStation to create kiosks that carry wearables, phones and gaming” that will help make Circuit City stores “a destination.”
He also described a rigorously trained team of sales associates, dubbed “specialists,” who will be another key traffic driver.

lol good job going on the record as saying "we're not gonna be another Radio Shack" and then listing the exact changes RS tried to make in the last year and a half that failed miserably. By the end, RS had (and was heavily advertising) a solid selection of Bluetooth speakers and headsets, 3-4 different brands of wearable cameras (including GoPro), a bunch of dumb home automation stuff, video game systems with playable demos, an assortment of DIY stuff, and associates who were essentially told their jobs were on the line if they didn't meet certain sales goals.

None of it worked, and none of that is going to work, and relaunching under a brand name that failed so spectacularly is A Bad Idea. Even a fossil like Radio Shack realized there's no money to be made in laptops and TVs, something these guys don't seem to get (from my experience the average profit to Radio Shack off a laptop or TV in the $500+ range was like $10, the same they'd make selling a single cordless phone battery). Unless they can match Amazon prices (which they can't), the new Circuit City is going to be the same thing Radio Shack and Best Buy are: showrooms so people can gently caress around with electronics and then go buy them on Amazon for much less.

Also lol if they think that the sales associates they'll be paying under $10/hr will make an effort to learn anything about the large variety of products they'll be carrying. poo poo, even my old District Manager's eyes would glaze over if you tried to ask him why you can't connect a Composite video output to a Component input and have it work, or god forbid the difference between 802.11n and 802.11ac.

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FishionMailed
Feb 2, 2014

by zen death robot


Melmac posted:

Anyone upset that Quiznos barely exists any more, just know that their franchising scheme was so predatory, hosed up, and designed so the owners made no money to the point that a guy killed himself and wrote a two page essay about how evil Quiznos corporate is.

When I was in HS there was this cute girl who kept talking about how her dad owned 13 Quizno's, bragging about it and poo poo.


Good.

Skeleton Ape
Dec 21, 2008



drunk asian neighbor posted:

poo poo, even my old District Manager's eyes would glaze over if you tried to ask him why you can't connect a Composite video output to a Component input and have it work, or god forbid the difference between 802.11n and 802.11ac.

Oh man, don't even get me started about stupid rear end district managers not knowing about IEEE standards. poo poo, this one time I was working at Barnes and Noble and




















*fart*

Thunder God Biden
Sep 8, 2004


Israel is not a legitimate entity, and no amount of pressure can force us to recognize its right to exist.




FishionMailed posted:

When I was in HS there was this cute girl who kept talking about how her dad owned 13 Quizno's, bragging about it and poo poo.


Good.

It's ok I promise you that someone will love you for your own unique inner beauty one day.

Signed,

Your mom.

BigBoss
Jan 26, 2012

by Lowtax


FishionMailed posted:

When I was in HS there was this cute girl who kept talking about how her dad owned 13 Quizno's, bragging about it and poo poo.


Good.

I knew an incredibly sexy girl who's family almost lost everything because their Quizno's franchise turned out to be a horrible business.

Snow Cone Capone
Jul 30, 2003
MANGOSTEEN CHUGGER


Skeleton Ape posted:

Oh man, don't even get me started about stupid rear end district managers not knowing about IEEE standards. poo poo, this one time I was working at Barnes and Noble and


I didn't mean the exact tech specs you dummy, but if I ask someone at a store that's supposed to specialize in poo poo like that what the difference is, and the response is "uhh, well ac is the newest technology so it'll make all your wireless devices work faster," that's stupid and shows a complete lack of even the most basic knowledge about the products you sell. I'd even allow that it was deliberately a shifty answer in order to sell that $200 ac router over the $50 n router, but the guy was genuinely surprised when I had to explain to him that no, switching from an n router to an ac router won't magically make your n-equipped laptop download things faster.

George H.W. Cunt
Oct 6, 2010



Quiznos was my first job in high school and it was a chill place to work instead of McDonalds or some poo poo. Oh man what a busy night we had 20 people come in!

Booblord Zagats
Oct 30, 2011




Pork Pro

If you want Radioshack to work, you sell the brand to Home Depot or Lowes as a "upgraded" version of those stores. Push the whole DIY angle, load it up with electronic parts and just make a few extra aisles that look more "futuristic" with parts for electronic projects and high end electronic home improvements like wifi connected house speakers, security cameras with smart phone app control, etc.


What you don't wanna do is hire Nick Cannon as an executive and then try to sell lovely cellphones and mp3 players in dying malls across america

reallivedinosaur
Jun 13, 2012

Ogdober subrise! XDDD


Aren't a lot of (all) franchises basically just as predatory and lovely as Quiznos? I've heard the same things about Subway, Five Guys, Chipoltle or whatever other fast food trend is sweeping through mall food courts.

You get a "turnkey" business with instant brand recognition and not having to do marketing and whatnot. In exchange, you probably never make any actual money for yourself ever. The scam is to make you think that in 10 years this franchise will be worldwide and you will sell yours for billions and trillions of dollars.

They will show you some example of a guy who bought one of the first McDonalds franchises in 1902 for 34 US cents and now he is worth billions.

These franchises are designed as a product to sell to people who have saved up a fat nest egg and got the hankerin' to be a restaurant owner but don't really know anything about restaurants or leadership and can't be bothered to learn.

That's my thoughts, based on the ex-accountant who owned the Subway I worked at as a kid.

He had a very successful career as a business man (CFO of some company) and was sitting on fat stacks of cash, but mid life crisis hit and he put it all into this Subway franchise, and from what I could tell it was all just so he could say "yes miss, I am the owner.. how about a free footlong beef with extra sauce " to every 15 year old classmate of mine that came in.

In the year and a half I worked there he managed to piss away just about everything and his wife was filing for divorce. I think he managed to find another chump to buy him out of the franchise, because luckily Jared came along and made Subway a hot franchise to own.

OXBALLS DOT COM
Sep 11, 2005

by FactsAreUseless


Young Orc

reallivedinosaur posted:

Aren't a lot of (all) franchises basically just as predatory and lovely as Quiznos? I've heard the same things about Subway, Five Guys, Chipoltle or whatever other fast food trend is sweeping through mall food courts.
...
He had a very successful career as a business man (CFO of some company) and was sitting on fat stacks of cash, but mid life crisis hit and he put it all into this Subway franchise, and from what I could tell it was all just so he could say "yes miss, I am the owner.. how about a free footlong beef with extra sauce " to every 15 year old classmate of mine that came in.

In the year and a half I worked there he managed to piss away just about everything and his wife was filing for divorce. I think he managed to find another chump to buy him out of the franchise, because luckily Jared came along and made Subway a hot franchise to own.

Sounds like this guy liked to eat fresh

Xaris
Jul 25, 2006

Jacking Out; Jacking In



reallivedinosaur posted:

Aren't a lot of (all) franchises basically just as predatory and lovely as Quiznos? I've heard the same things about Subway, Five Guys, Chipoltle or whatever other fast food trend is sweeping through mall food courts.

I don't know about others but Subway is insanely cheap to francise, I think it's like $7.5k-15k to license. Of course you have to buy all the other ingredients/bread and things from Subway but overall it seemed like one of the better franchise-ees. There's a reason why there's like 50 subways per square mile around here despite insane rents, and I'm sure it's not because they're losing money.

Booblord Zagats
Oct 30, 2011




Pork Pro

I know an older guy who owned 3 McDonalds' franchises in the area. He bought them and ran them for about 6 years before he gave one to each of his kids. His reasoning being they were irresponsible idiots who would waste the millions he had made, but these things actually created about 300K a year (each) in personal revenue for him while being ran anything close to correctly. So his idiot children couldn't blow their inheritance on a lovely car, a McMansion and some blow and run out of money in 2 years.

All three are still open, but all owned by just one of his kids after he bought the other two out, realizing they were idiots who would take way too little for them so they could turn around and waste their money on bullshit while he collects the better part of a million dollars a year on autopilot

Skeleton Ape
Dec 21, 2008



drunk asian neighbor posted:

I didn't mean the exact tech specs you dummy, but if I ask someone at a store that's supposed to specialize in poo poo like that what the difference is, and the response is "uhh, well ac is the newest technology so it'll make all your wireless devices work faster," that's stupid and shows a complete lack of even the most basic knowledge about the products you sell. I'd even allow that it was deliberately a shifty answer in order to sell that $200 ac router over the $50 n router, but the guy was genuinely surprised when I had to explain to him that no, switching from an n router to an ac router won't magically make your n-equipped laptop download things faster.

What I meant was that knowing about products isn't what district managers are hired / paid for, and consequently, they don't.

Snow Cone Capone
Jul 30, 2003
MANGOSTEEN CHUGGER


Skeleton Ape posted:

What I meant was that knowing about products isn't what district managers are hired / paid for, and consequently, they don't.

Then that's even more damning evidence towards how terribly Radio Shack ran its corporate side because the 4 DMs I met all started as associates and worked their way up the chain. The specific guy I mentioned managed 3 different stores before he moved up to DM, and was an associate for years before then. So I guess it's lovely practices both ways - promoting internally rather than bringing in people who actually know how to oversee groups of stores, and allowing someone to rise up through the ranks without learning a drat thing about what they're supposed to be selling.

DM was probably a bad example in hindsight, but it extends to most of the associates I encountered as well. You don't need to be a certified electronics genius to be able to explain to someone why an AT&T phone won't work on Verizon (I mean I guess they do nowadays, but not back then). The number of times I had to process returns from various employees doing poo poo like selling someone a mini-USB when they needed a micro, or 4-pin phone cable to someone who needed Cat5e was pretty mind-numbing. Hell, I watched my manager literally run through multiple training modules for a couple of new employees, ensuring that even if they wanted to learn, they couldn't.



VVVVVVV Exactly, which is why they failed and also why this new Circuit City endeavor will also fail

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Houle
Oct 21, 2010


Why pay the hours of salary to train them when all the company cares about is if you sell insurance packages before quitting or being fired in a year or two?

OXBALLS DOT COM
Sep 11, 2005

by FactsAreUseless


Young Orc



I give them maybe 3 years max

END OF AN ERROR
May 16, 2003

IT'S LEGO, not Legos. Heh


drunk asian neighbor posted:

I didn't mean the exact tech specs you dummy, but if I ask someone at a store that's supposed to specialize in poo poo like that what the difference is, and the response is "uhh, well ac is the newest technology so it'll make all your wireless devices work faster," that's stupid and shows a complete lack of even the most basic knowledge about the products you sell. I'd even allow that it was deliberately a shifty answer in order to sell that $200 ac router over the $50 n router, but the guy was genuinely surprised when I had to explain to him that no, switching from an n router to an ac router won't magically make your n-equipped laptop download things faster.

So you're the guy who goes into stores and asks questions he already knows the answers to just so he can prove the salesman wrong. Cool.

Snow Cone Capone
Jul 30, 2003
MANGOSTEEN CHUGGER


Tiny Lowtax posted:

So you're the guy who goes into stores and asks questions he already knows the answers to just so he can prove the salesman wrong. Cool.

lol sorry if you got owned by a teenager at your retail job dude but I don't think it's unreasonable for my direct superiors to know the basics of the products they sell (and by extension expect everyone below them to know)

my 86-year-old grandma knows the difference between a lightning cable and a micro-usb but I guess expecting somebody who works for an electronics chain to know the difference is pedantic neckbearding, a-yup yup

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Return Of JimmyJars
Jun 24, 2006

by FactsAreUseless


Xaris posted:

I don't know about others but Subway is insanely cheap to francise, I think it's like $7.5k-15k to license. Of course you have to buy all the other ingredients/bread and things from Subway but overall it seemed like one of the better franchise-ees. There's a reason why there's like 50 subways per square mile around here despite insane rents, and I'm sure it's not because they're losing money.

It's like $300k now.

Return Of JimmyJars
Jun 24, 2006

by FactsAreUseless


Blockade posted:

Do any of you business goons know if theres an instrument through which to short a university? Ty thanks

The nanosecond you can get an accredited bachelors degree from a MOOC all 2nd and 3rd tier universities will implode and collapse under the weight of an 3:1 admin to professor staff ratio where all the idiot bottom feeder admin staff are making $60k/yr.

And I will piss on their graves.

Justin Godscock
Oct 12, 2004

Listen here, funnyman!

Soiled Meat

ultrabindu posted:

Speaking of video game development companies, what the hell happened at Konami?
I've heard all kinds of crazy rumors about mass sackings and making designers and devs work as janitors and security.

The Japanese game publishers are basically panicking right now because North America and Europe have gotten so big (in terms of market share and publisher success) that their style just doesn't sell anymore and you don't have to succeed in Japan to make it in the gaming world anymore. So they are making stupid loving decisions like burning bridges with their big brains (Hideo Kojima and Keiji Inafune had major fallings out), re-mastering games that were hits in North America and just plain not understanding that people don't want anime-looking games with dumb absurdity anymore.

Nintendo is the only company that hasn't lost its loving mind and understands it needs to be pragmatic to succeed.

BigBoss
Jan 26, 2012

by Lowtax


Return Of JimmyJars posted:

It's like $300k now.

Its. $15,000.


And not all franchises are horrible predatory scams. Then again a guy who was a "big poo poo CFO" and lost it all on one subway wasn't actually some hot poo poo exec, he was a dipshit scrub. A real big time exec wouldn't be wiped out by one subway failing.

Return Of JimmyJars
Jun 24, 2006

by FactsAreUseless


BigBoss posted:

Its. $15,000.


And not all franchises are horrible predatory scams. Then again a guy who was a "big poo poo CFO" and lost it all on one subway wasn't actually some hot poo poo exec, he was a dipshit scrub. A real big time exec wouldn't be wiped out by one subway failing.

https://www.subway.com/subwayroot/O...q_US_Canada.pdf

Real cost of $115k to $268k.

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May 16, 2003

IT'S LEGO, not Legos. Heh


drunk asian neighbor posted:

lol sorry if you got owned by a teenager at your retail job dude but I don't think it's unreasonable for my direct superiors to know the basics of the products they sell (and by extension expect everyone below them to know)

my 86-year-old grandma knows the difference between a lightning cable and a micro-usb but I guess expecting somebody who works for an electronics chain to know the difference is pedantic neckbearding, a-yup yup

I would expect my direct superiors to know how to run and manage a business, and my floor workers to know the product.

Doesn't change the fact that you are "that guy"

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