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Captain Monkey
Aug 23, 2007



Alhazred posted:

And then they began writing Quagmire as an upstanding citizen because he sometimes volunteer at the soup kitchen.

And they needed someone to dunk on Brian for being a liberal talking head.

edit: worst snipe ever

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Ellie Trashcakes
Jan 31, 2008

HISSSSSSSSSSSSS



South Park peaked 20 fuckin years ago


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VsMcdEswK8k

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

Exploration is ill-advised




Megillah Gorilla posted:

South Park embodied the post-racism of the early millennium. Everything's fine, we're all comfortable and bored, it's a Daria world where we can all sit back and make snarky comments without repercussion because nothing matters because everything's fine.

"It's okay to insult Jews and use the n-word because real racism is over! Why yes, were are wealthy straight white males, why do you ask!"


EDIT: and checking google shows Daria debuted the same year as South Park.

It's come up earlier itt but Daria has pretty much the opposite sentiment most of the time. The whole idea of a girl why sits back and snarks at people gets taken apart more and more as the show goes on, and a lot of social issues are shown as ongoing problems that Daria is all too aware she's powerless to effectively change.

Baba Yaga Fanboy
May 18, 2011



Antifa Turkeesian posted:

Do you think South Park played a role in the resurgence of antisemitism 2012-2016, specifically among irony-poisoned 4chan posters who would have been in elementary school when South Park was just getting started? There are definitely other factors to consider, but it's always been striking to me how it went from what seemed like an archaic prejudice to something a certain set loved to giggle about, and I have to wonder if the foundation for "ironic" racism and the enjoyment of calling people jews as an insult was laid by that loving cartoon. At the time South Park was new, I thought part of the joke of Cartman's antisemitism was that it was so old-fashioned, but I may have been sheltered as a child.

Definitely. By that same token, Cartman's anti-ginger episode lead to America catching wind of that particular style of bigotry when before America was way too busy being racist to ever think of being mean to someone because of their hair color. And while it's not as big of an issue as racism, of course, it still managed to lead lead to kids being harassed about something they previously wouldn't be harassed for. Any time someone cries about comedy not being able to be edgy any more, it's poo poo like this where I want to point to it, shouting that pop culture creators wield a power, and when it's wielded irresponsibly it causes real harm.

PhazonLink
Jul 17, 2010


i'm going to jump on the south park grenade of "the political parties are a turd sandwich and a douchebag " being the worst lesson they ever imparted.

RenegadeStyle1
Jun 7, 2005

Baby Come Back

It made a generation of lazy idiots who can just say "boths sides are bad!" and throw their hands up instead of looking around them to see how we could make the world a better place.

God Hole
Mar 2, 2016


personally if i had a measurable impact on the suicide rate among red-haired people and also by the way completely kneecapped and humiliated the environmental movement for an entire generation i would stop writing cartoons but that's just me

Antifa Turkeesian
Aug 20, 2006



Parker and Stone are trash and have always known that they were trash. A few years ago they announced that they were republicans and nobody was really surprised.

Nottherealaborn
Nov 12, 2012


Antifa Turkeesian posted:

Parker and Stone are trash and have always known that they were trash. A few years ago they announced that they were republicans and nobody was really surprised.

I thought they were ďlibertariansĒ.

Josef bugman
Nov 17, 2011

NHP advocate.


Nottherealaborn posted:

I thought they were ďlibertariansĒ.

In the USA if there is a difference between them then it is not one that can be found without an electron microscope.

Srice
Sep 11, 2011



Nottherealaborn posted:

I thought they were ďlibertariansĒ.

They finally found the courage to admit they were republicans while Trump was in office.

Nottherealaborn
Nov 12, 2012


Srice posted:

They finally found the courage to admit they were republicans while Trump was in office.

loving hell, THATíS when they decided they were Republicans?! Goddamn they suck.

FreudianSlippers
Apr 12, 2010

Shooting and Fucking
are the same thing!



The whole ginger thing is largely rooted in anti-Irish sentiment in the UK.

Like imagine if a British show did a bit about Mexicans having no souls and it's the same general vibe.

bobjr
Oct 16, 2012

Roose is loose.



One thing they do with a lot of characters like Quagmire and Barney is give them nice things to do like theyíll reveal they donate a lot of money to charity or something, but still keep up with the date rape aspect of the character so on the show itíll be a ďheís not such a bad guy after allĒ from characters in the show, like it cancels out that theyíre not a horrible person overall.

CharlestheHammer
Jun 26, 2011

YOU SAY MY POSTS ARE THE RAVINGS OF THE DUMBEST PERSON ON GOD'S GREEN EARTH BUT YOU YOURSELF ARE READING THEM. CURIOUS!


I mean that is at least accurate to how people treat bad people in real life.

The amount of people who canít square that bad people arenít kicking puppies 24/7 is staggering.

FreudianSlippers
Apr 12, 2010

Shooting and Fucking
are the same thing!



Ted Bundy might've been a serial killing necrophiliac rapist but he was also a very nice young man.

Squidster
Oct 7, 2008

Life's just better with Ominous Gloves.


Baba Yaga Fanboy posted:

Definitely. By that same token, Cartman's anti-ginger episode lead to America catching wind of that particular style of bigotry when before America was way too busy being racist to ever think of being mean to someone because of their hair color. And while it's not as big of an issue as racism, of course, it still managed to lead lead to kids being harassed about something they previously wouldn't be harassed for. Any time someone cries about comedy not being able to be edgy any more, it's poo poo like this where I want to point to it, shouting that pop culture creators wield a power, and when it's wielded irresponsibly it causes real harm.
I've seen chuds on reddit decry anti-Ginger hate whenever a POC is cast in anything. A cry of "Hollywood hates redheads" provides cover for bad-faith assholes who are just really sincerely concerned about redhead-erasure, honest. I'm not sure we can entirely blame South Park for that, but gently caress South Park anyway.

Magic Hate Ball
May 6, 2007

ha ha ha!
you've already paid for this


See also the episode where they call motorcyclists "f*ggots", and their extremely popular musical, The Book of Mormon, which is about two airhead missionaries who visit a caricature of an African country, and is widely embraced by almost every other fan of musicals that I know.

FreudianSlippers
Apr 12, 2010

Shooting and Fucking
are the same thing!



I mean Mormonism is basically a scam. Anyone who is dumb enough to swallow a silly sci-fi religion invented by a known con-man has it coming.

The only difference between Heavens Gate and Mormonism is that the Heavens Gate people had the common decency to kill themselves.


The African caricature part is suspect as gently caress though.

Josef bugman
Nov 17, 2011

NHP advocate.


I always disliked South Park but I am somewhat grateful I made the right decision just the once.

Mr Interweb
Aug 25, 2004

I posted my food for USPOL Thanksgiving!


Megillah Gorilla posted:

So, Meg used Quagmire to rape one of her classmates? That's hosed up.

not exactly. lois called in quagmire to show up at meg's classmate's house. i never got the impression that he raped her (cause she wasn't the only person in the house, there was a party going on and her parents were there too). figured the point was just to creep the poo poo out of her.


quagmire got worse as time went on, but he was incredibly skeevy from the start. in the episode referenced above:


quagmire (to meg's classmate): how old are you?
classmate: 16
quagmire: 18 you say??


then there was an episode where he sees a cheerleader or some hot chick lying unconscious and he runs up to her and performs what appears to be CPR and manages to revive her, and then the following exchange happens:

peter: wow, quagmire. didn't know you knew CPR
quagmire: what the hell is CPR?

Captain Monkey
Aug 23, 2007



FreudianSlippers posted:

I mean Mormonism is basically a scam. Anyone who is dumb enough to swallow a silly sci-fi religion invented by a known con-man has it coming.

The only difference between Heavens Gate and Mormonism is that the Heavens Gate people had the common decency to kill themselves.


The African caricature part is suspect as gently caress though.

watch that you don't cut yourself on that edge.

CharlestheHammer
Jun 26, 2011

YOU SAY MY POSTS ARE THE RAVINGS OF THE DUMBEST PERSON ON GOD'S GREEN EARTH BUT YOU YOURSELF ARE READING THEM. CURIOUS!


Calling Mornonism a scam is like the least edgy thing possible.

Maybe Scientology slightly outranks it

hawowanlawow
Jul 27, 2009



it's fashionable to pretend stupid religious poo poo isn't stupid on the forums rn

Don Gato
Apr 28, 2013

Actually a bipedal cat.

Grimey Drawer

CharlestheHammer posted:

Calling Mornonism a scam is like the least edgy thing possible.

Maybe Scientology slightly outranks it

The only religion dumber or more of a scam than scientology or mormonism was Aum Shinrikyo and I'll die on this hill.

DACK FAYDEN
Feb 25, 2013

Bear Witness

Magic Hate Ball posted:

See also the episode where they call motorcyclists "f*ggots", and their extremely popular musical, The Book of Mormon, which is about two airhead missionaries who visit a caricature of an African country, and is widely embraced by almost every other fan of musicals that I know.
I will say that the moral of Book of Mormon is mostly that sincere faith even in dumb poo poo manages to draw a community together, like the one older man explicitly says "you didn't really think he cured his AIDS by loving a frog, did you? It's a metaphor!"

It's a story about two differently-sheltered white kids learning about the world... just via awful fuckin stereotypes of Africans.

Less bad than most South Park, but uh, low bar.

Rockman Reserve
Oct 2, 2007

"Carbons? Purge? What are you talking about?!"



are people itt actually going to bat for Mormonism, oh my god lmfao

Magic Hate Ball
May 6, 2007

ha ha ha!
you've already paid for this


I almost prefer the original ending, where the Africans misunderstand the concept of transubstantiation and eat the missionaries, which at least had the gall to follow through on being abhorrent rather than the sappy, feel-good ending that makes white audiences feel okay about the last two hours of laughing at African stereotypes.

FreudianSlippers
Apr 12, 2010

Shooting and Fucking
are the same thing!



Mormonism is some Sci-Fi outer space racialist nonsense.


Anyone dumb enough to fall for it deserves to be scammed.


Scientology is just a less dumb version of Mormonism.

FreudianSlippers
Apr 12, 2010

Shooting and Fucking
are the same thing!



I've known one Mormon in my lifetime it was a dude who was a hardcore anarchist and then did a few too many psychedelics and got suckered in by some Mormons and took a hard turn into some far-right conservative bullshit. and even when I pointed out the specific origins of various Mormon beliefs (scams) he wouldn't buy it.

Mormonism is sci-fi nonsense on par with stupid cults like The Nation of Islam and Heavens Gate and shouldn't be respected at all.

Captain Monkey
Aug 23, 2007



Rockman Reserve posted:

are people itt actually going to bat for Mormonism, oh my god lmfao

No, more making fun of edgy cool guy Ďwow this religion is dumb!í posting.

Like Mormonism is not significantly more of a scam than Catholicism, itís just younger.

CharlestheHammer
Jun 26, 2011

YOU SAY MY POSTS ARE THE RAVINGS OF THE DUMBEST PERSON ON GOD'S GREEN EARTH BUT YOU YOURSELF ARE READING THEM. CURIOUS!


Itís impossible to say Catholics is a scam because we have very little info about early church history.

Most of the evidence does point to it mostly being rather sincere in what it was doing

Captain Monkey
Aug 23, 2007



CharlestheHammer posted:

Itís impossible to say Catholics is a scam because we have very little info about early church history.

Most of the evidence does point to it mostly being rather sincere in what it was doing

:thunk:

this religion Iím more familiar with is sincere. their believers are smart sincere people.

this one Iím less familiar with is insincere. their believers are dumb scammed idiots!!!

CharlestheHammer
Jun 26, 2011

YOU SAY MY POSTS ARE THE RAVINGS OF THE DUMBEST PERSON ON GOD'S GREEN EARTH BUT YOU YOURSELF ARE READING THEM. CURIOUS!


Captain Monkey posted:

:thunk:

this religion Iím more familiar with is sincere. their believers are smart sincere people.

this one Iím less familiar with is insincere. their believers are dumb scammed idiots!!!

How much do you know about catholic history.

Iím going to hazard a guess not much.

This applies to any of the older religion. The idea that all religion is a scam is hilariously stupid.

As it relies on taking modern ideals and pasting them in the past.

Thankfully most historians have started to shy away from this frankly stupid ideal

Asterite34
May 19, 2009




Man, why can't these scam scifi cults ever preach nice progressive things along with all the money-grubbing and indoctrination? It's always old-timey racism and repression and pedophilia.

Like yeah, our prophet is a space dinosaur who fled the asteroid (actually the wrath of Satan) on a spaceship to another planet and now he's back and wants your life savings, also it's okay to be gay and all cultures are valid

LIVE AMMO COSPLAY
Feb 3, 2006



Asterite34 posted:

Man, why can't these scam scifi cults ever preach nice progressive things along with all the money-grubbing and indoctrination? It's always old-timey racism and repression and pedophilia.

Like yeah, our prophet is a space dinosaur who fled the asteroid (actually the wrath of Satan) on a spaceship to another planet and now he's back and wants your life savings, also it's okay to be gay and all cultures are valid

Money-grubbing and being progressive can't really coexist.

Captain Monkey
Aug 23, 2007



CharlestheHammer posted:

How much do you know about catholic history.

Iím going to hazard a guess not much.

This applies to any of the older religion. The idea that all religion is a scam is hilariously stupid.

As it relies on taking modern ideals and pasting them in the past.

Thankfully most historians have started to shy away from this frankly stupid ideal

Thank goodness youíre here to set the record straight about a different religionís followers by embracing that ideal. And you got here early enough to see past the mysticism of it being thousands of years old!

In any case this is a dumb detail, youíre not the kind of poster who changes their mind or responds to reason, so Iím ending up defending Mormonism instead of rolling my eyes at Ďlol scam religioní type posting.

Casnorf
Jun 14, 2002

Never drive a car when you're a fish

LIVE AMMO COSPLAY posted:

Money-grubbing and being progressive can't really coexist.

Oh you poor sweet child.

CharlestheHammer
Jun 26, 2011

YOU SAY MY POSTS ARE THE RAVINGS OF THE DUMBEST PERSON ON GOD'S GREEN EARTH BUT YOU YOURSELF ARE READING THEM. CURIOUS!


Captain Monkey posted:

Thank goodness youíre here to set the record straight about a different religionís followers by embracing that ideal. And you got here early enough to see past the mysticism of it being thousands of years old!

In any case this is a dumb detail, youíre not the kind of poster who changes their mind or responds to reason, so Iím ending up defending Mormonism instead of rolling my eyes at Ďlol scam religioní type posting.

What are you talking about. I donít understand what any of this has to do with my post.

I know you are a bit out of your depth here so stoping is probably in your best interest.

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Casnorf
Jun 14, 2002

Never drive a car when you're a fish

CharlestheHammer posted:

What are you talking about. I don’t understand

I feel like you could replace every single one of your posts with this and not really lose anything :)

Is that media that didn't age well or media that is, let's be fair, timeless?

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