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DEUCE SLUICE posted:The intake tees off into a cylinder with a sealed speaker cone kind of deal, and there's a hose piping the sound from the other side of the cone into the cabin. or could I program my v10 m5 to sound like an 90s Honda with no exhaust
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The M5 one is played over the speakers in the car, which is pathetic. The BRZ is all mechanical. It's a vibrating membrane at the end of a hose.
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Dec 6, 2011 05:30
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law abiding rapist posted:What's wrong with just opening the window if you want to hear the engine? I don't need my windows open to hear my supercharger screaming 
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Dec 6, 2011 05:31
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DEUCE SLUICE posted:The M5 one is played over the speakers in the car, which is pathetic. At least it's on the intake so when the membrane eventually gets brittle and splits in 10 years it doesn't asphyxiate the driver.
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Dec 6, 2011 05:39
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For some reason I keep fantasizing about the FRS...what are the chances of being able to trade in an 08 V6 mustang + some reasonable about of money and get myself one these?
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Dec 6, 2011 07:01
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law abiding rapist posted:What's wrong with just opening the window if you want to hear the engine? Canada in the middle of January would like a word with you.
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Dec 6, 2011 07:32
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KozmoNaut posted:Packaging concerns, too. When you don't have to have a driveshaft from one end of the car to the other, you gain a significant amount of cabin space. Practical small cars like the Fit only work so well because of FWD. This is a good reason to make a FWD car, and I wouldn't fault a small car for being FWD. However, when vehicles are engineered to offer an AWD option (as most SUVs and even large cars are these days), the only reason the 2WD version is FWD is because they can't be arsed to build a driveline that can handle all the power being sent to the rear wheels constantly. Further, in many such AWD systems, the car drives as FWD until a loss of traction occurs. It really is only about cost, when you get down to it, which I suppose is a valid concern in many vehicles, but when it's a CAD$30,000 base large sedan or SUV in question, that seems to fall a little flat. On the other hand, I've completely written cars off from consideration for being FWD-only in a situation where's there's no good reason for it (which is to say, I'd consider a FWD 500 Abarth, but not a FWD Accord si). TrueChaos: That's why cars have heaters. Cranking the heat in my Mustang after the engine warms up is enough to keep you warm with the windows all the way down until -5 or less. You can partially open the driver's side window down to about -20 without feeling particularly cold.
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"the BRZ was designed from the start with extra headroom to accommodate a roll-cage installation" http://www.motorauthority.com/news/1070072_2013-subaru-brz-pricing-info-new-details-live-photos This + no sunroof + telescoping steering wheel= good news for tall goons. possibly a better fit than my Legacy. The only remaining issue is tall guy in small auto-mobile syndrome 
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Dec 6, 2011 08:29
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PT6A posted:This is a good reason to make a FWD car, and I wouldn't fault a small car for being FWD. However, when vehicles are engineered to offer an AWD option (as most SUVs and even large cars are these days), the only reason the 2WD version is FWD is because they can't be arsed to build a driveline that can handle all the power being sent to the rear wheels constantly. Further, in many such AWD systems, the car drives as FWD until a loss of traction occurs. it's less "couldn't be arsed to build a driveline that can handle all the power being sent to the rear wheels constantly" and more "why the gently caress would we develop a ground-up RW biased AWD platform for this vehicle when we already have a perfectly good FWD one"
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Dec 6, 2011 13:24
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DEUCE SLUICE posted:The intake tees off into a cylinder with a sealed speaker cone kind of deal, and there's a hose piping the sound from the other side of the cone into the cabin. From what I can tell it's kinda sorta trickle-down tech from the LFA, which is neat
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Dec 6, 2011 13:29
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I thought all cars had the sound tube, supposed to help with audio clues when using a stick. Personally, I don't think it's enough. I want engine exhaust pumping directly into my face. I want to taste the engine.
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Dec 6, 2011 14:14
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Snowdens Secret posted:From what I can tell it's kinda sorta trickle-down tech from the LFA, which is neat It think calling it trickle down tech would be a bit generous, it's literally just baffled piece of 1/2" tube.
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Dec 6, 2011 15:49
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Muffinpox posted:It think calling it trickle down tech would be a bit generous, it's literally just baffled piece of 1/2" tube. The carbon fiber trim bits are also trickled down from the exotic weaving looms Toyota invented for the LFA.
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Dec 6, 2011 16:31
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Reganomics is the future of car manufacturing.
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Dec 6, 2011 16:53
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It begins..  
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Dec 6, 2011 19:00
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Some are gon own:
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Dec 6, 2011 19:03
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Cant stop staring at the baby Chevy bowtie on the fender.
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Dec 6, 2011 19:09
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LSs for errbody.
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Dec 6, 2011 19:10
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*photoshops dish on a car with subaru hubs*
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Dec 6, 2011 20:56
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Someone's bound to shove one in there. I give it a year, tops.
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Dec 6, 2011 20:59
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I'd like to see a Renesis swap, too. I wonder if the clearance would work out.
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Dec 6, 2011 21:10
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Isizzlehorn posted:It begins.. cool license plate 
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DEUCE SLUICE posted:cool license plate TOYOTA bro, Subaru makes poo poo cars and fags drive them.
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Dec 6, 2011 21:45
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Nodoze posted:Forgive the dumb question, but I see this a lot. Having never driven a RWD car for more than a brief period, is it really radically different? You won't notice it... until you get used to it and go back to FWD. You really get used to the ability to add power in a turn without understeer. I drove my friends Civic the other morning and was driving in a completely normal manner before I started spinning the inside front tire in the rain while understeering. First words out of my mouth? "Stupid FWD." So yeah, I'm sold on it. I'll never own another FWD car again. RWD/AWD all the way.
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Blaise posted:You won't notice it... until you get used to it and go back to FWD. You really get used to the ability to add power in a turn without understeer. I drove my friends Civic the other morning and was driving in a completely normal manner before I started spinning the inside front tire in the rain while understeering. First words out of my mouth? "Stupid FWD." 
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DEUCE SLUICE posted:cool license plate at least the e39 M5 with LOL AMG and some AMG with LOL MPWR made sense. That's just loving stupid.
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Dec 6, 2011 23:09
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Hopeful stretched tires will be out-of-fashion by the time these things get cheap enough to fall into the hands of ricers.
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Snowdens Secret posted:From what I can tell it's kinda sorta trickle-down tech from the LFA, which is neat Yeah, Ford publicized theirs in 2009. It's used in even basic cars like the Focus. Similar devices have been around way before that as well, of course, since it's literally just a tube. If anything, the Mustang one is better, because it's made so that you can remove/replace the baffle if you want more or less noise. http://www.nytimes.com/2009/03/01/automobiles/01NOISE.html  It's also 1000 times better than what BMW did, which is a noisemaker. I believe the way their tech works is that a digital signal processor looks at the RPMs/ignition system and then synthesizes a noise to match the revs, with the synthesizer made to sound more aggressive when the car is set to "sport" mode.
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Cream_Filling posted:It's also 1000 times better than what BMW did, which is a noisemaker. I believe the way their tech works is that a digital signal processor looks at the RPMs/ignition system and then synthesizes a noise to match the revs, with the synthesizer made to sound more aggressive when the car is set to "sport" mode. I still don't understand the hate for this. The way the BMW one works is there's a microphone on the engine, and that sound is fed into the cabin through the speakers. People keep saying that it's made up from nothing but what I've read says it's the actual sound from the engine.
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oRenj9 posted:Hopeful stretched tires will be out-of-fashion by the time these things get cheap enough to fall into the hands of ricers. *get* cheap enough? I think they will be cheap enough right off the bat. I am really considering one of these(as well as a 500 Abarth, despite my hatred of FWD), but I am worried it will be the new jackass tuner car, so the insurance prices will be ridiculous and I don't want to be associated with the majority of the other owners. Just have to wait and see I guess.
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Stealth Like posted:I still don't understand the hate for this. The way the BMW one works is there's a microphone on the engine, and that sound is fed into the cabin through the speakers. People keep saying that it's made up from nothing but what I've read says it's the actual sound from the engine. No it isn't. quote:The Active Sound Design technology specially developed for the new BMW M5 takes its cues from the driving situation at any one time to deliver an accurate reproduction of the engine's sound through the car's audio system. The system's digital signal processing exchanges data directly with the engine management, allowing it to reflect the engine's revs and torque, and the car's speed over the road. The result over a smoothly driven journey is a discreet soundtrack in keeping with the harmonious and assured characteristics of the V8 powerplant. A stamp on the accelerator, meanwhile, prompts an immediate audible response to match the instantaneous – and typically M – burst of power from beneath the bonnet. http://www.autoblog.com/2011/09/23/active-sound-design-enhances-v8-burble-inside-bmw-m5/ Crustashio fucked around with this message at 23:57 on Dec 6, 2011 |
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It's specifically mentioned that BMW Active Sound Design would be used to make diesels sound like gas engines and 4 cylinders sound like 6 or 8 cylinders. http://www.bmwblog.com/2010/05/24/bmw-active-sound-design/ quote:With the use of active systems for sound design, engineers can actively shape and optimise interior sound and thus systematically influence “heard” dynamics. In order to produce the desired sound patterns, the natural sound of the engine is intelligently refined with an electro-acoustic system. A digital signal processor interactively generates additional sound components based on constantly updated driving data so that a harmonious overall impression is formed. Initial research projects have already shown how effective that is. In a MINI prototype presented in 2009, a four-cylinder engine can be made to sound like a powerful V8 engine or superior straight-six engine. Besides the fun factor presented by individualisation, Active Sound Design also has very serious applications, such as helping diesel engines attain even sportier sound characteristics.
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kimbo305 posted:I'd like to see a Renesis swap, too. I wonder if the clearance would work out. Piece of piss, just have to handle engine mounts. But I would have to ask... why? The Renesis might be ligher than just about any other engine but the Suby motor is actually noticably lighter again and in the long run a better proposition if you want to go hog wild. Maybe a 20B would be worth it.
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I like the gimmick that the way to more power is an even more torqueless engine that you have to rev higher.
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Negromancer posted:*get* cheap enough? I think they will be cheap enough right off the bat. I am really considering one of these(as well as a 500 Abarth, despite my hatred of FWD), but I am worried it will be the new jackass tuner car, so the insurance prices will be ridiculous and I don't want to be associated with the majority of the other owners. Just have to wait and see I guess. Even off the bat, I think most on-the-cheap ricers will wait a few years before getting one. The current rumor mill seems to settle the BRZ/GT 86 at about $25k USD, which would make the FR-S somewhere around $22k. That's not just bull, that's from the reps at Subaru ballparking the BRZ's price and expecting the Scion to be several thousand cheaper because of the lack of various bits, like HID headlights, dual zone climate control, push button start, etc. Honestly, after thinking about it for a bit, I prefer the Scion approach. Hate the modern climate controls, HID's are obnoxious as gently caress, push button start is a convenience factor that I don't think much of us give a poo poo about. If I get to save several thou by not paying for that crap, count me in. Also, kudos for Toyota actually thinking about that for an entry level Scion.
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Crustashio posted:No it isn't. Ahh, the article I had read made it sound the other way.
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Isizzlehorn posted:Hate the modern climate controls, HID's are obnoxious as gently caress, push button start is a convenience factor that I don't think much of us give a poo poo about. If I get to save several thou by not paying for that crap, count me in. Also, kudos for Toyota actually thinking about that for an entry level Scion. I suppose ~hardcore~ people like you need ~hardcore~ HVAC controls that you have to constantly be adjusting to feel appropriately ~hardcore~ Also what do you mean HIDs are obnoxious these are nice OEM HIDs that we're talking about not lovely aftermarket purple crap  Push button start is useless though
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Some of the most painful offenders are new cars coming out with RetiLaser(tm) brand eye cannons. I shouldn't be able to see a perfect silhouette of myself cast on the car in front of me by the new Audi/Infiniti/Lexus/whathaveyou sitting behind me.
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PT6A posted:TrueChaos: That's why cars have heaters. Cranking the heat in my Mustang after the engine warms up is enough to keep you warm with the windows all the way down until -5 or less. You can partially open the driver's side window down to about -20 without feeling particularly cold. I'd prefer not to have the window open and heat blasting, thanks.
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