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donoteat posted:https://twitter.com/donoteat1/status/1120812557554593793?s=19 I'm from the future. I bring you a dire warning: 
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Sheng-Ji Yang posted:dumb shits who post poo poo like this have never actually been to the third world and must have some weird idealized image of it where people are all self sustaining rural peasants & noble savages or something instead of mostly jammed into modernized, overcrowded cities doing pretty similar jobs to what we do all they've ever seen is like, pics of goat herders in adobe huts in Afghanistan and just assume that like, Nigeria or Malaysia is the same
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Apr 23, 2019 23:53
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Larry Parrish posted:ecosocialists have about a 50% chance of being eugenics psychos so who give a poo poo what they think. maybe when most ecologically concerned people aren't cryptofashists I'll care about their opinions I hate to say it, but the more I post on that slack, the more I agree with this statement. loving assholes want everyone to become goddamn peasant farmers.
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Apr 24, 2019 23:55
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Larry Parrish posted:ecosocialists have about a 50% chance of being eugenics psychos so who give a poo poo what they think. maybe when most ecologically concerned people aren't cryptofashists I'll care about their opinions The Dipshit posted:I hate to say it, but the more I post on that slack, the more I agree with this statement. loving assholes want everyone to become goddamn peasant farmers. Did I open my closet and walk through a portal to lovely '90s right-wing science fiction or something
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Apr 25, 2019 05:11
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GotLag posted:Did I open my closet and walk through a portal to lovely '90s right-wing science fiction or something They take excellent ideas like "regenerative agriculture" and "protect nature" and pair it with things like "nuclear power is evil" and "solar cells are not the way (!!)" and "everybody farms their food". Then when they get called out on "what do you think we should do" they say "read my blog broken up into a twitter feed" instead of actually posting what they see as a positive vision for the future. I can't get a single one to answer how do we keep nice things like modern medicine in their system that they are *extremely* cagey about discussing frankly. The consequences of their values necessitates the death and guaranteed misery of billions. I wouldn't be surprised if some of them have a shrine to Pol Pot in their house. They want a bunch of miserable peasant farmers and call it socialism. Give me that FAGLSC. The Dipshit has issued a correction as of 05:56 on Apr 25, 2019 |
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Apr 25, 2019 05:54
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The Dipshit posted:They take excellent ideas like "regenerative agriculture" and "protect nature" and pair it with things like "nuclear power is evil" and "solar cells are not the way (!!)" and then when they get called out on "what do you think we should do" they say "read my blog broken up into a twitter feed" instead of actually posting what they see as a positive vision for the future. I can't get a single one to answer how do we keep nice things like modern medicine in their system that they are *extremely* cagey about discussing frankly. The consequences of their values necessitates the death and guaranteed misery of billions. on the current trajectory we keep nothing because civilization collapses and we all die so
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Apr 25, 2019 05:55
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Addamere posted:on the current trajectory we keep nothing because civilization collapses and we all die so Yeah, their "plan" so far is "wait for everything to collapse and then rebuild from the ashes" which, loving surprise, won't be anything to build back *from*.
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Apr 25, 2019 05:57
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Congrats on using the existence of a few dipshits to call every leftist who cares about the environment an ecofascist, I guess. You loving useful idiot.
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Apr 25, 2019 06:01
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The Dipshit posted:Yeah, their "plan" so far is "wait for everything to collapse and then rebuild from the ashes" which, loving surprise, won't be anything to build back *from*. We could voluntarily cut power production and consumption back in a huge way, in so doing giving up many of the luxuries of the developed and developing world, until we implement more sustainable ways to dial the power generation back up again. At least, we could have for a while up until recently. I think current models have us hosed even if we magically turned off all pollution tomorrow.
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Apr 25, 2019 06:01
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GotLag posted:Congrats on using the existence of a few dipshits to call every leftist who cares about the environment an ecofascist, I guess. I'm one of them you shitfucking idiot, that's why I post there. gently caress off. Even the original quote talks about it being half assholes. Addamere posted:We could voluntarily cut power production and consumption back in a huge way, in so doing giving up many of the luxuries of the developed and developing world, until we implement more sustainable ways to dial the power generation back up again. At least, we could have for a while up until recently. I think current models have us hosed even if we magically turned off all pollution tomorrow. Nope, gotta do massive restructuring of the built environment at the absolute minimum and then turn on sequestering carbon in every way we can conceive of, along with massive cuts in consumption. The Dipshit has issued a correction as of 06:08 on Apr 25, 2019 |
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Apr 25, 2019 06:05
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What kind of loving moron thinks giving up penicillin and electricity is a good thing we should do
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Apr 25, 2019 06:14
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Addamere posted:We could voluntarily cut power production and consumption back in a huge way, in so doing giving up many of the luxuries of the developed and developing world, until we implement more sustainable ways to dial the power generation back up again. At least, we could have for a while up until recently. I think current models have us hosed even if we magically turned off all pollution tomorrow. not sure why there is any need to cut back on power production when we can eliminate the harmfulness of it by simply replacing fossil fuel with nuclear power, and then gradually replace nuclear power with renewables as the technology becomes more efficient. Sheng-Ji Yang has issued a correction as of 06:16 on Apr 25, 2019 |
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Apr 25, 2019 06:14
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Sheng-Ji Yang posted:not sure why there is any need to cut back on power production when we can eliminate the harmfulness of it by simply replacing fossil fuel with nuclear power i think you do know because you are a smart man who has researched this topic and i am not going to get into a long argument about it with a forum cop
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Apr 25, 2019 06:15
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Sheng-Ji Yang posted:not sure why there is any need to cut back on power production when we can eliminate the harmfulness of it by simply replacing fossil fuel with nuclear power  B...b...but Chernobyl
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Apr 25, 2019 06:16
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Addamere posted:i think you do know because you are a smart man who has researched this topic and i am not going to get into a long argument about it with a forum cop well i dont know whats wrong with what i posted, but crying about me being a mod or w/e is a good way of not having to defend your position
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Apr 25, 2019 06:18
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Sheng-Ji Yang posted:not sure why there is any need to cut back on power production when we can eliminate the harmfulness of it by simply replacing fossil fuel with nuclear power, and then gradually replace nuclear power with renewables as the technology becomes more efficient. the only coherent argument i've ever heard against this plan is that nuclear takes a long time and a lot of money to build, whereas renewables can be assembled pretty quickly that argument still doesn't answer, of course, the question of how to actually meet our enormous power demand with renewables alone (reminder that renewables have thus far only added to our power consumption and haven't actually replaced any dirtier technologies) also the answer to that argument is "okay well then I guess we better start building the nuclear plants like today if they're going to take so long"
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Apr 25, 2019 06:20
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Addamere is your posting gimmick responding to what people said in your head instead of what they posted?
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Apr 25, 2019 06:20
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Jon Joe posted:Addamere is your posting gimmick responding to what people said in your head instead of what they posted? We have schizophrenia here
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Apr 25, 2019 06:21
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vyelkin posted:the only coherent argument i've ever heard against this plan is that nuclear takes a long time and a lot of money to build, whereas renewables can be assembled pretty quickly yeah, i think it would require a massive effort to do that, but any other answer would require even more effort combined with massive degrowth, both an absolute political impossibility and totally unnecessary. i mean france managed to replace nearly its entire energy demand with nuclear power, and that was without staring down the barrel of climate change. im not sure why we cant motivate ourselves to do that when facing potential apocalyptic circumstances, and a better solution is for us to revert to subsistence agriculture
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Apr 25, 2019 06:25
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Electric power generation is only part of the puzzle and I bet the limit on equipment and qualified construction entities would restrict the growth of new nuclear power plants to below the rollout rate required to win the climate change wars. Doesn't mean we shouldn't try.
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Apr 25, 2019 06:27
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Sheng-Ji Yang posted:yeah, i think it would require a massive effort to do that, but any other answer would require even more effort combined with massive degrowth, both an absolute political impossibility and totally unnecessary. certainly france is a huge achievement in that regard, they built like 50 reactors in a decade at the same time I think the most key thing to learn from france is contained in this graph:  demand for power was much lower when they did the wholesale nuclear-fossil fuel replacement back in the 70s and 80s, but the really key part is that since then all their growth in electric production has been nuclear, showing that it can lead to really sustained growth but maintaining that kind of trajectory means a long-term commitment across the political spectrum and across multiple generations of politicians to maintaining such a plan, instead of caving to the first fossil fuel lobbyist that pokes their head into your office and offers to fund your campaign
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Apr 25, 2019 06:30
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Corky Romanovsky posted:Electric power generation is only part of the puzzle and I bet the limit on equipment and qualified construction entities would restrict the growth of new nuclear power plants to below the rollout rate required to win the climate change wars. Doesn't mean we shouldn't try. certainly it's not a silver bullet, but nothing is it's one item on the thousand-item checklist of stuff we can do to try and make global warming a little less bad the more items we check off, the more likely our civilization is to survive
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Apr 25, 2019 06:31
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electricity generation + transportation is 70% of global co2 added to the atmosphere. massive nuclear power investment and mass production of cheap electric cars and public transportation would be the best bet to reduce that as quickly as possible. will the current capitalist order be willing or able to do that though? probably not. which is why the most immediate goal should be to replace capitalism with a rational economic system. Sheng-Ji Yang has issued a correction as of 06:41 on Apr 25, 2019 |
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Apr 25, 2019 06:37
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have you heard of this new game workers + resources soviet republic
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Apr 25, 2019 06:38
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Is that a competitor to workers & resources: soviet republic?
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Apr 25, 2019 06:52
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Imagining the spreadsheet mines of calculating the cost to determine which neighborhoods to level when building out trains and putting in transit friendly housing and shops...
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Apr 25, 2019 06:58
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For a minute I was feeling pretty good about France demonstrating the viability of nuclear power to meet growing demands, because meaningful amounts carbon capture and sequestration/utilization will have bonkers power demands, then I remembered it will probably all end up turned into bitcoins
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Apr 25, 2019 07:23
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GotLag posted:Congrats on using the existence of a few dipshits to call every leftist who cares about the environment an ecofascist, I guess. im discussing self described eco socialists. most socialists/communists are of course also ecologically concerned, but these types are just like 'end heavy industry and industrial agriculture tomorrow' and if you ask a question like 'ok how do you feed 7 billion people on hand tool agriculture' they just ignore you or claim that Big Grain is lying about how much labor it takes to produce a kilobushel or something. then theres the more important questions like 'how do you feed a modern city without industrial logistics when a lot of them aren't on rivers or the rivers have dams/reservoirs and you cant just float a barge down it any more'
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Apr 25, 2019 07:29
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Larry Parrish posted:im discussing self described eco socialists. most socialists/communists are of course also ecologically concerned, but these types are just like 'end heavy industry and industrial agriculture tomorrow' and if you ask a question like 'ok how do you feed 7 billion people on hand tool agriculture' they just ignore you or claim that Big Grain is lying about how much labor it takes to produce a kilobushel or something. The answer that is phoenix will need to be abandoned, as will most suburbs, and all settlements will be provided with stalingrad-esque grain elevators that will be useful for self-defense.
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Apr 25, 2019 07:37
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Corky Romanovsky posted:the limit on equipment and qualified construction entities would restrict the growth of new nuclear power plants have the navy (which hasnt had a nuclear incident in it's entire history) build em' and run em' all. there you go, done
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Apr 25, 2019 07:40
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what's this non sequitur
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Apr 25, 2019 07:42
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Venom Snake posted:have the navy (which hasnt had a nuclear incident in it's entire history) build em' and run em' all. there you go, done tbf the DoE test facilities that they worked the kinks out had accidents. But that was like 'how do we even build a controllable reactor' days. All the more modern gently caress ups are private companies or horribly mismanaged and underfunded government agencies. Weird how the well funded and generally well run navy nuke program doesn't have these problems despite being much smaller and harder to cool than large facilities
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Apr 25, 2019 07:51
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Venom Snake posted:have the navy (which hasnt had a nuclear incident in it's entire history) build em' and run em' all. there you go, done lol at the idea of the operational model that drives naval nuclear power's personnel problems running enough reactors to support all US demands and the idea that naval nuclear power plant operators are capable of building the reactors they work on. Might as well reconfigure a coal plant to burn contractor money and smart kids with bad decision making skills
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Apr 25, 2019 07:53
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this is the part where i poke my head into the thread and say china is building almost half of all nuclear reactors currently under construction, will make up more than half the world's nuclear power generation by 2040 and are farther along on fusion energy than anybody else
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Apr 25, 2019 07:58
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Larry Parrish posted:tbf the DoE test facilities that they worked the kinks out had accidents. But that was like 'how do we even build a controllable reactor' days. All the more modern gently caress ups are private companies or horribly mismanaged and underfunded government agencies. Weird how the well funded and generally well run navy nuke program doesn't have these problems despite being much smaller and harder to cool than large facilities on the other hand, highest suicide rate in the fleet or so the story goes
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R. Guyovich posted:this is the part where i poke my head into the thread and say china is building almost half of all nuclear reactors currently under construction, will make up more than half the world's nuclear power generation by 2040 and are farther along on fusion energy than anybody else Are they really though when EAST is one of several testbed reactors for the international project that is ITER? Is there something I'm missing here?
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Apr 25, 2019 08:24
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R. Guyovich posted:this is the part where i poke my head into the thread and say china is building almost half of all nuclear reactors currently under construction, will make up more than half the world's nuclear power generation by 2040 and are farther along on fusion energy than anybody else Also thorium. Which they already have a shitton of because it's a byproduct of rare earth mineral mining.
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Addamere posted:on the other hand, highest suicide rate in the fleet or so the story goes i think that's just the high suicide rate of submariners in general. but maybe the nuclear surface fleet guys hate life too. like anything else military personnel management is done all kinds of wrong so everyone's worked to death in generally unpleasant conditions for too long. and lol if you're in a PRP position like working at a missile base/presumably a nuclear vessel or you're a flyer, because going to a shrink will affect your status and might gently caress your career up despite the military claiming that they dont reprise on people for going to mental health/rehab
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kraken! posted:Are they really though when EAST is one of several testbed reactors for the international project that is ITER? Is there something I'm missing here? in this particular leg of the process east got there first. that's all there is to that statement.
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spankmeister posted:Also thorium. Which they already have a shitton of because it's a byproduct of rare earth mineral mining. You can already use thorium in CANDU reactors (which I believe China licensed and then bought from Canada).
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